Trump is only destined to lose if nothing big drops for the Clinton’s and even worse scandals present themselves for him.
But there seems to be something new every couple of weeks so we’re probably far from done.
I wouldn’t say that’s fair to the WSJ. They’ve printed numerous articles about the Clinton Foundation corruption and the timeline and events surrounding Hillary’s emails. I’ve been a subscriber to the WSJ for many years. They write some really intelligent Op Eds.
I really think that they think the ends justify the means. There are now so many known facts about Hillary’s corruption, but the press believes they are doing the right thing for the free world by saving us all from Trump. Hell, they might be right, but the suppression of information and continual spin makes people loose heart, and feel lied to. I don’t care what the motive is. This kind of thing causes people to loose faith in the rule of law, and that’s probably the most damaging thing in all of this.
Yes. Amen. I really wish I could just sit back, detached, and watch this with a bowl of popcorn. Look at the two deplorables. What will they do next? I might be able to do that if this was some fictional characters on Arrested Development or an SNL skit. They are like caricatures. Unfortunately, I really love this country and I hate to see us be brought so low.
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I think the real story from this thread is that pat is in a very small minority of people who looks at what kind of plane he’s getting on.
I just hope the thing has functional engines and enough gas for the trip.
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Many of the Clinton documents to be released under the Freedom of Information Act will not be made public until AFTER the election, so I have no doubt that there will be an ongoing scandal. Also, more people from the FBI are speaking out against Comey’s decision to not remove her security clearance or indict her. I think we’ll continue to hear more about that, and may likely hear evidence of DOJ favors and internal politics there. It’s pretty hard to keep a lid on this kind of thing forever.
It’s sad. We’ve had big scandals related to the IRS, now there’s reason to believe that there’s political influence and corruption within the FBI.
As far as Trump goes. I have no doubt that there will be a continual stream of garbage, both old and new, as in “Can you believe he just tweeted that!” What will he do next?
Sexist remark trigger warning. What’s with men and airplanes, cars, and guns? My husband can watch an old war movie and he knows what the plane is, and what kind of rifle they’re carrying. How can you remember and care about all this boring stuff?
All I hear is whaa, bwah, bwah, bwah…
@therajraj - That General Electric PSA about Sexual Harassment clip you put up was very, very funny. Thanks for trying to lighten things up a little bit.
@pat - You made a remark about how pointless it is to tear each other up over these two candidates. That’s really very true. I try to remember that. The people on these threads are here because they want to talk about this. If I keep my rants here, at least I’m not spamming and offending people on FB who just want to talk about pictures of cute kids playing soccer. I can’t blame them. This stuff is depressing.
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Paradoxically enough, this is a reason why I’ve remained pretty firmly in the NeverTrump camp, even while respecting your “Doesn’t anyone realize how awful HRC is?”
It’s not just that he says and does awful things every week, but that he can’t even fake being a normal person with a modicum of common sense - it should have been easy to beat HRC, and knowing that’s the case, one would think he could tone it down a little to pick up more than the base that is already supporting him (some of whom are bona fide “supporters” and some of whom are deep-red NeveryHilary or Obama haters)…yet he can’t stop himself from continuing to do stupid shit! If he could show some semblance of filter, I’d think maybe he could actually be controlled by a decent team of handlers and advisors without leading us to the deepest depths of hell. But he can’t even do it! He’s so easily baited! How is he going to maintain some semblance of composure if there’s a major international incident? Does he realize that he can’t just Tweet about how awful (Insert Foreign Leader Here) is to make a problem go away? He claims to know more about ISIS than the generals - how the hell is he going to take counsel from military leaders and other subject-matter experts when there’s a major national crisis? Say, a disease outbreak, or a major storm that crushes a seaside town? What’s he going to do, make some comment about how the latest hurricance is a scam to make us think it’s global warming?
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Ha! That’s something my dad used to do. He loved flying.
Also, a few weeks ago I was down in the Norfolk, Va. Beach, Hampton Roads region. You should have seen all of the jets ripping around there. Also on the peninsula between NAS Oceana and a carrier out on the horizon, right in the flight path where the jets hit the throttle as they get out over the water. Indescribable roar when they let it rip at low altitude!
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ActivitiesGuy,
I think that’s reasonable. I can’t argue with your logic in thinking that HRC seems less crazy, or more stable under pressure, or more intelligent. I think so too. What I CAN’T tolerate is people talking like she has some kind of moral high ground, but you’re not making that argument.
The rest just comes down to your political ideology. If you lean to the left, you already have a pretty good idea about what Hillary is going to do. She has a long history in politics. I disagree with her thinking on MANY things. Trump is a complete wildcard, IMO. I’ve been in the NeverTrump, NeverHRC camp from the beginning of this thing. I’m just heartsick over it.
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Instead of focusing on one-liners and tweets perhaps look at his body of work throughout the course of his life?
How can a guy successfully build something as complicated as skyscrapers all over the world without constantly relying on experts? He’s literally remade the Manhattan skyline.
In life, you aren’t what you say, you are what you do.
Oooo gross. Now I feel like I was on my soapbox or high horse dictating how the conversation should go. I didn’t mean it to come off like that. By all means express yourself and say what you think.
I think I was just expressing my exasperation with this whole election and am just plain tired of it and cannot wait until it’s over, hoping at least one of them drops dead.
It’s just that there is enough garbage on both of these candidates that the back and forth on who is worse, personally, is an exercise in futility. So the people suck, but there are still issues I care about and my vote is on the basis of the issues alone. Character is clearly out of the window so, I am going with the issues.
I really don’t know how this election is going to turn out. I think the polls may end up being correct and hillary wins, but then again, in the privacy of that ballot box people just may sneak in a trump vote, kind of like sneaking a porno-mag under your mattress. Then again, I don’t know if trump can survive the media onslaught and he doesn’t do much to help himself. But then again I get the impression turn out will be low.
Really, in the end I was just expressing how sick I am of the election and how I want it to be over. One more month… Maybe there will be a miracle between then and now. But by all means say what you think, say what you want…
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Totally agreed. I don’t think HRC has some kind of moral high ground at all; but I do think her Presidency is less likely to significantly damage the country.
I read this awhile back when the clown car of the Republican primaries was going on, too. That someone like Cruz, Rubio, etc were at least relatively “predictable” - whether you liked or disliked their stance(s), you had a pretty good idea of what they were about. Trump is, as you said, a complete wildcard…and while some take that as a good thing (they’re seeing it as “what’s the harm? it can’t be any worse!”) I really don’t think so, in this case.
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Trump doesn’t actually score very well by this metric, raj.
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He’s pretty much succeeded at everything he’s ever tried.
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Oh, boy, do we have to re-litigate this again?
The USFL
Trump Shuttle
Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts (a catch-all for the entire Atlantic City casino disaster)
Trump International Hotel & Tower
Trump Mortgage
Trump Vodka
Trump Steaks
Trump University
Trump Ocean Resort Baja Mexico
Trump Tower Tampa
Except for all those, though, pretty much a 100 percent success rate.
When you throw away all the failures, he looks great!
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He’s been attached to 500 different corporations and business ventures which would make his success rate in the 90%+ range.
How many businesses go bankrupt in the first 2 years? I think it’s 80%.
Should also add one of the biggest creditors from his Atlantic city property currently endorsed him.
Anyways this is an old discussion which I’ve already gone through
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Nah, Pat. I didn’t read you as trying to tell us all to stop talking about it. I didn’t read that into your post at all, so don’t think that. I think you were making a good point. These two ding-dongs aren’t worth tearing up friendships over, that’s for sure. I’m using the word ding-dong in a nonsexual, non-gender specific way here. 
It’s a bit like an accident on the side of the road, right? We just can’t look away. I agree with what you said regarding arguing about who is worse. And all the negativity of this is draining, but it’s constantly before us. It’s not at all my personality to feel discouraged. Of course it is a bit futile to get too worked up about it, but like you, I do care about some of the big issues. I love my country profoundly. I completely understand the people who just tune it out and focus on football, but that’s not really how we maintain our freedoms, or have any influence on the kind of world our children will inherit.
Really, if the country would be better off it they would both step aside and let it be Kaine against Pence. If either of them had an sense of decency, they would do that. Imagine the collective relief from all sides.
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So am I, Puff…and I will repeat why…
60% of the American Electorate will not only dislike the POTUS…they will HATE them…
While I have much more faith in the Republic as a whole, and that it will survive…I worry about the damage that can be done by both Trump AND Clinton…and how we face the very real prospect of America’s work not being done because of partisan Grid-Lock.
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[quote=“pat, post:3457, topic:218984”]…In the privacy of that ballot box people just may sneak in a trump vote, kind of like sneaking a porno-mag under your mattress…
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Agree, Pat.
Again…I think the “closet” Trump supporter is not accounted for in all this.
How do we quantify the “shy Trump supporter” ?
This is something I haven’t been able to wrap my head around.
Do you mean “closet” Trump supporter, raj? (I don’t know what “shy” means in this context).
The “closet” supporter is that person who wouldn’t truefully admit to voting for Trump; even to anonymous Pollsters; out of fear of some sort of reprisal, ridicule or simply being ashamed to admit so.