The Next President of the United States: III

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Did Trump actually say that Hillary got “Schlonged” in 2008??

L-O-fucking-L!!![/quote]

Fucking win if there ever was one.
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Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. His comments are pure gold. Unscripted speeches and he doesn’t give a damn who he offends. And it does not harm his support at all, with the media sit there scratching their heads.

Trump would never win the general. Never. BUT…I like I said before, this may be a moment where the tide shifts. The Trump non-PC movement can be the new Tea Party. Guys who act like Trump can win on a smaller scale. School boards, city councils, small town mayors, state congressmen, etc.

One thing is clear: This shit resonates.
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I wouldn’t dismiss his chances of winning just yet, there are more people who will vote for Trump than are willing to admit it. I don’t know what kind of president he would be, but boring does not come to mind at all.

Besides, look what slick walkin’ and jive talkin’ got us ?
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Bring it on & mission accomplished & such???
Nobody has forgotten your last attempt. Your guys are running a freak show![/quote]

Better than a snooze fest, seriously, your boy couldn’t even come up with his own shit. [/quote]

“A.Q. is dead and GM [ISIS] is alive!”

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I wouldn’t dismiss his chances of winning just yet, there are more people who will vote for Trump than are willing to admit it. .

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Truer words have never been spoken. It is popular to dump on Trump. This is because he is a brash big mouth, politically naïve, and says plenty of things that are politically incorrect. Obviously, his competition have more and better qualifications. Can anyone even argue that point? In fact, there really is no reason for anyone to claim they are for Trump as that simply brings derision from the many Trump haters.

And that is why there are far more people for Trump than will admit it publicly.

Could he beat Hillary should he be the nominee? That is one prediction I am not willing to make. But, I will say that never before in modern politics would we have two candidates with such high negatives. That usually means a low turnout as many will be disgusted with the choices offered up by the two parties and stay home. So, how motivated are the Trump supporters vs. the Hillary supporters? Whoever motivates their base walks away the winner. The mainstream liberal media is wrong. Hillary will not have a cake walk if Trump is the nominee. Currently Hillary has been out of the spot light and for good reason. The DNC knows that they more the public sees of Hillary the less they like her. That’s why the democrat debates are scheduled during times where either people are not viewing or they are watching something else. I think the next one is up against two football play off games.

As the election moves forward and she is the nominee (if she is not indicted keep in mind the FBI is still investigating her and they take a long time) she will be forced to give speeches hold rally’s and in short be in the face of the public more often. So, you will see her negatives go up as people get tired of face, voice and her message which happens rather quickly.

With that said…

The only way Trump wins in my view is if he can win over what use to be called the Reagan democrats. That is many of the blue collar folks who usually vote democrat. If that happens he will in fact beat Hillary. He needs these voters because he is not going to win the majority of independents. It would be the oddest election in my life for certain. And it would be split right down gender lines. Women for Hillary and men for Trump in most cases. There would certainly be a lot of firsts regardless of who would win.

Yes, this is quit a show this year.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I wouldn’t dismiss his chances of winning just yet, there are more people who will vote for Trump than are willing to admit it. .

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Truer words have never been spoken. It is popular to dump on Trump. This is because he is a brash big mouth, politically naïve, and says plenty of things that are politically incorrect. Obviously, his competition have more and better qualifications. Can anyone even argue that point? In fact, there really is no reason for anyone to claim they are for Trump as that simply brings derision from the many Trump haters.

And that is why there are far more people for Trump than will admit it publicly.

Could he beat Hillary should he be the nominee? That is one prediction I am not willing to make. But, I will say that never before in modern politics would we have two candidates with such high negatives. That usually means a low turnout as many will be disgusted with the choices offered up by the two parties and stay home. So, how motivated are the Trump supporters vs. the Hillary supporters? Whoever motivates their base walks away the winner. The mainstream liberal media is wrong. Hillary will not have a cake walk if Trump is the nominee. Currently Hillary has been out of the spot light and for good reason. The DNC knows that they more the public sees of Hillary the less they like her. That’s why the democrat debates are scheduled during times where either people are not viewing or they are watching something else. I think the next one is up against two football play off games.

As the election moves forward and she is the nominee (if she is not indicted keep in mind the FBI is still investigating her and they take a long time) she will be forced to give speeches hold rally’s and in short be in the face of the public more often. So, you will see her negatives go up as people get tired of face, voice and her message which happens rather quickly.

With that said…

The only way Trump wins in my view is if he can win over what use to be called the Reagan democrats. That is many of the blue collar folks who usually vote democrat. If that happens he will in fact beat Hillary. He needs these voters because he is not going to win the majority of independents. It would be the oddest election in my life for certain. And it would be split right down gender lines. Women for Hillary and men for Trump in most cases. There would certainly be a lot of firsts regardless of who would win.

Yes, this is quit a show this year.

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Trump speaks from a position of authority and responsibility about creating work for people like me. That gets votes.
Politicians talk from a vacuum while legislating entire industries out of existence, and sound like Bismark while using people like chess pieces.

Skyzyks brings up an important point about Trump.

While he is without question appealing to the far-right fringes and to SOME peoples hates, prejudices and biases…he is a business man talking about bringing jobs back to the U.S. mostly by reforming the Corporate Tax structure and my “leveling the playing field” with other countries via Tariffs and Treaties.

He really, REALLY needs to start emphasizing those things. I think that it may broaden his base even more.

I’m afraid that Rubio has fallen into the “Establishment” category with many Conservatives (putting him in the same group as Jeb)…

Cruz is still fighting his way up.

Mufasa

His projects employ every building and fabrication trade nation wide and in significant ways. From a common sense/symbiosis p.o.v. I don’t see why he wouldn’t garner some major support from unions, but that could be my own naivety talking.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
His projects employ every building and fabrication trade nation wide and in significant ways. From a common sense/symbiosis p.o.v. I don’t see why he wouldn’t garner some major support from unions, but that could be my own naivety talking.[/quote]

Good point. Couple that with his stance on immigration and China and you got something here.

Yeah…and all of that with the hate most females have for him and he’s really got a…oh wait that will keep him from winning forget it…

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
His projects employ every building and fabrication trade nation wide and in significant ways. From a common sense/symbiosis p.o.v. I don’t see why he wouldn’t garner some major support from unions, but that could be my own naivety talking.[/quote]

Good point. Couple that with his stance on immigration and China and you got something here.
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The thing is, if we claw back a good share of manufacturing from China, the immigration problem is self solving. I’ve worked with welders and fitters from all over the world already because of a shortage of them in the US.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
His projects employ every building and fabrication trade nation wide and in significant ways. From a common sense/symbiosis p.o.v. I don’t see why he wouldn’t garner some major support from unions, but that could be my own naivety talking.[/quote]

Good point. Couple that with his stance on immigration and China and you got something here.
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The thing is, if we claw back a good share of manufacturing from China, the immigration problem is self solving. I’ve worked with welders and fitters from all over the world already because of a shortage of them in the US.[/quote]

An apprentiship/training to be a skilled-tradesman is what a college degree used to be: access to a career, stability, good pay and benefits.

Nowdays, a typical BA is worthless. We need workers who “do” skilled stuff, not just pontificate.

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
His projects employ every building and fabrication trade nation wide and in significant ways. From a common sense/symbiosis p.o.v. I don’t see why he wouldn’t garner some major support from unions, but that could be my own naivety talking.[/quote]

Good point. Couple that with his stance on immigration and China and you got something here.
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The thing is, if we claw back a good share of manufacturing from China, the immigration problem is self solving. I’ve worked with welders and fitters from all over the world already because of a shortage of them in the US.[/quote]

An apprentiship/training to be a skilled-tradesman is what a college degree used to be: access to a career, stability, good pay and benefits.

Nowdays, a typical BA is worthless. We need workers who “do” skilled stuff, not just pontificate.
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That is for sure. To their credit, our industrial base has been decimated and the job outlook in some places is still less than rosey. To their fault~ a lot of people feel that they are too good to get dirty when the fact is that they really just don’t have the chops. That goes for a lot of things though, not just my field.

Jeez, nobody called me a dumb-dumb yet? A lot of people must be downright allergic to this new format!

Good God:

The thing is, and it has been said many times on these forums, people are sick of politics as usual, these political positions aren’t supposed to be carreers, etc. So a guy like Trump hears this and steps up to the plate and there’s nothing but nay saying. Proof to the fact that the political elite don’t even want to hear it from the american people and just want to protect their cushy asses- This article you linked.

Can someone help me understand how Sarah Palin can endorse Donald Trump after he called John McCain a loser for being a POW in Vietnam?

Latest NH poll shows Kasich gaining ground that I thought would have gone to Christie because of his debate performances. A bit surprised he’s not only beating Christie but also Rubio.

It’s only one poll so don’t read too much into it, but curious nonetheless.

This is literally the best post I’ve seen on Donald Trump’s candidacy. I couldn’t agree more.

"If we’ve learned anything from Trumpmania, it’s that principled people are a rare breed. They’re even rarer among the people who make a living defending principles.

This is what most distresses me about Donald Trump. It’s not only about him. Yes, Trump himself is a lying, covetous, big government liberal elitist with a penchant for attempting to silence speech. I strongly dislike him for those reasons, but what I really hate about Donald Trump is what he represents, what he manifests.

Among other things, Trump is a manifestation of hypocrisy. Not his own – although there’s plenty of that – I mean the hypocrisy of so-called conservatives. The lack of principles. The sickening, shameful fraudulence. And although many “everyday American” conservatives have proven themselves to be groupies infatuated with fame and celebrity, I am disgusted by the conservative “leaders” in media more than anyone else. They are the true culprits in this story.

The rise of Trump has been aided, abetted, and fueled by supposed conservative leaders – talk hosts, tv hosts, writers, pundits, bloggers, etc. – who have spent ages blasting any “RINO” who comes along, only to fall in line with Trump immediately. They boldly take stands that are sure to result in deafening applause from their fans, but when the time came to hold firm and stick to their principles even at the risk of being booed or jeered at by those same fans, they shrank away and took cover.

Ann Coulter literally campaigns for Trump. Breitbart has turned into Donald Trump’s defacto campaign website, thoroughly disgracing the memory of Andrew Breitbart. Influential “conservatives” on Fox, like O’Reilly and Hannity, haven’t endorsed Trump necessarily, but they’ve refused to hold his feet to the fire. Hannity talks about Trump like he’s a beloved uncle or long lost brother.

Some of the prominent talk radio voices are now starting to tepidly criticize him, but it’s too little, too late. And even when they do it, you can tell they’re dancing on eggshells. Soft pedaling. Equivocating. Scared.

Sarah Palin, of course, has completely sold out and stabbed the Tea Party in the back. Although I won’t complain about that because I find her embarrassing, insufferable and incoherent, and I’d rather she inflict herself on Trump than a real conservative.

Last night I watched some Evangelical leaders on Fox – Robert Jeffress was one of them – explaining that Evangelicals might want to support Trump, the pro-choice liberal, because he sticks it to “The Establishment.” It was a pathetic and painfully unconvincing attempt at rationalization. But there’s been a lot of that going on lately.

Across the board, there’s been hardly any consistent opposition to Donald Trump from our conservative “heroes” in the media. They have almost all kissed his ring, to one extent or another.

There are exceptions. Glenn Beck. Some of the writers at National Review. A handful of others. A few prominent conservative figures have had the guts and the character to scrutinize Trump with the same vigor that every conservative scrutinizes any other politician or candidate who lacks sufficient conservative credentials. A select few have not given Trump a free pass to lie, posture, manipulate, exploit, and advance liberal ideas. A few.

Everyone else? They threw their principles in the gutter and ran for the hills, or to the nearest Donald Trump campaign rally. They sensed, obviously, that Trump is a media sensation and aligning themselves with him would be good for business. Ann Coulter was selling a book about immigration right around the time that Trump came out and called Mexicans rapists. That was her cue to become a Trump surrogate. To sell books. In the process, she’s shed every conservative value that doesn’t help advance Trump (and her book), even going so far as to call pro-lifers “p*ssies” and say she doesn’t care if Trump performs abortions in the White House.

Others noticed that Trump was popular among some in their audience and they figured it wasn’t worth upsetting their own fans for the sake of being honest about Trump.

See, every blogger/talk radio or tv host/pundit/whatever understands that the best case scenario is to be hated by the “other side” and loved by ours. Being hated by the other side is easy, it requires no courage. Rush Limbaugh isn’t brave because he attacks liberals. He’s expected to attack liberals. It pays to attack liberals. Attacking liberals is fun and profitable. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done, or there isn’t value in it, I’m just saying it isn’t courageous. He isn’t brave for doing it, and neither am I.

The real courage is in criticizing your own sacred cows. Upsetting people on your side of the fence. And I don’t mean “The Establishment.” Again, everyone goes after them. Everyone hates The Establishment. The Establishment even hates The Establishment. And the best thing about The Establishment is that nobody knows what it is, exactly, so you can criticize it without really criticizing anyone.

So these conservative “champions” who are so very brave and strong when going after Barack Obama or John Boehnor suddenly lost their nerve with Donald Trump. And what that tells me is that they never had any nerve at all.

Rule of thumb: if your principles evaporate the moment courage is required to defend them, you have no principles. You’re a panderer, not a warrior.

I’m not perfect myself. I wrote a couple of posts criticizing Trump back in July and August, and the backlash was so severe and overwhelming that I considered leaving the subject alone. Hundreds of my readers told me in no uncertain terms that they would stop reading me. Suddenly I was a “liberal” and a “RINO” and a bunch of other names that nobody has ever called me in my life. It was kind of a scary thing, to be honest, because my livelihood depends on you guys reading.

I started to wonder, is this worth it? I don’t gain readers by opposing Trump, I only lose them. What’s the point, then?

Ultimately, I decided that I had to stand by what I believe and let the chips fall as they may, but that doesn’t make me courageous. It just makes me not as much of a coward as a lot of the conservative media figures you watch, listen to, or read. But I don’t deserve credit for being “not as much of a coward.” I’m getting over a very low bar here, that’s my point.

So, yes, the lesson is that principled people are a rare breed. The other lesson is to be careful who you hoist up as a warrior for your cause. Just because we have readers, followers, and fans doesn’t mean we’re true defenders of truth and liberty. It could just be that we like the money and the attention.

When push comes to shove, many of my conservative pundit compatriots fall down without a struggle. So don’t put us on a pedestal. The people who are really fighting to reclaim our culture aren’t the gasbags, like myself, babbling on radio or TV or the internet. They’re the people who are raising families and going to church and living humble lives of service down in trenches. They’re doing and saying the right things without being rewarded with applause and a cut of the ad revenue.

They’re the fighters. They’re the champions. Not us.
I’m just telling you the truth here, because you should know it, and because I’m nothing if I won’t at least do that."

-Matt Walsh

Michael Medved is one who I find to be intellectually honest when talking about Trump. I agree with the article. Hannity and Rush are full on the Trump bandwagon regardless of what he says.

Trump thinks he could literally kill someone and not lose support, incredible…