Oh, I said it. . The purest form of free-market capitalism would involve wide open borders. Labor would cross back and forth, stay as long as desired, pretty much at will. Even now, there is a supply to a demand, in which the government interferes to some degree. Not sure what the controversy is.
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You did. Trump has not mentioned anything along those lines. We were talking about Trump and why his voters are stupid.[/quote]
Has he given specifics? From what I’ve read all he has said is he wants to freeze remittances to illegals.
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A wall is a simple way of looking at the problem. It doesn’t handle the issues the currently funded fence is having. [/quote]
The fence has shown to be repeated climbed, cut open and dug under. A wall works much better and there are several examples all around the world.
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It doesn’t tackle visa overstays. [/quote]
So what? You don’t need a wall for that
a resounding YES. A fence is easily penetrable, a large wall not so much, see Israel.
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Oh, I said it. [/quote]
Appreciate this.
Free market capitalism is built upon the idea of no government or extremely limited government with everything from flowing from there. The bigger the government and the more the economy is centrally planned, the harder it becomes for capitalist planning to occur.
You can’t view open borders as “pro capitalist” without context of the current situation. It’s like saying a pool is 70% water and 30% urine and you plan to swim in the part that’s only water…doesn’t work that way.
It was a bad quote, I know you and I have agreed for the most part on the subject of illegals.
I was only trying to point out that simply saying there is no real solution was not a solution in the eyes of the voters Trump coveted.
My bad on the bad quote.
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People who have strong beliefs, WANT to believe that somebody hears them. Even if that person is just louder than the rest.
Politicians in the social media age are simply trying NOT to fuck up, instead of taking a position on something. ANYTHING WILL DO.
Trump did that.
BTW you know that border patrol has endorsed Trump right? That a lot of his sentiments on the situation are derived from dealing with these people.
I would consider them an authority on the matter.
No. It’s Trump, he doesn’t give specifics. You assume he’s thought about it more, I’m assuming he hasn’t. It is not a simple problem of putting up a wall.
Are you not able to dig under a wall? How does a wall solve the domain issues the fence is having?
That is part of immigration… my point is the wall doesn’t fix all immigration.
Is fence penetration the main issue? The fact that you think changing a fence to a wall is the trick immigration reform has been missing shines a light on your perspective… I don’t think you’ve thought this through anymore than Trump.
Maybe it appeared that way but all candidates had issues detailed out. Trump did not, but he did say some simple talking point that got the raj’s of the world fired up.
I said open borders are the purest free-market border arrangement. How is this debatable?
And every other candidate came across as the same type of candidate we have been voting on for fucking years.
At least that loon Sanders and the crazy ass talking hairpiece have some originality.
Huntsman, Romney and Bush look like something out of central casting for stiff, white, Mayflower stock politician.
I don’t disagree. I do however think it’s stupid to vote on originality and not substance.
The Chinese are willing to work for 50 cents an hour, and if they come here across the Southern Border illegally, you will see Mexicans building that wall. And all of a sudden we won’t hear about it being hateful and xenophobic, overnight.
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Kinda like electing a one term senator who had never drawn a private sector paycheck? Because he was something different alright.
It is the only reason he was elected.
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No. It’s Trump, he doesn’t give specifics. You assume he’s thought about it more, I’m assuming he hasn’t. It is not a simple problem of putting up a wall.[/quote]
Point is: its doable.
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Are you not able to dig under a wall? How does a wall solve the domain issues the fence is having?[/quote]
NO. Border Walls have been erected for thousands of years because they’ve shown to be highly effective. Thats the point.
Have you ever looked at the effectiveness of walls… like say the Berlin Wall?
Seems to me you were arguing that open borders is good for America if you want a pro capitalists society.
I don’t know, ask the Mexicans…their wall on the Guatemalan border is damn near East German. Oh and the Mexican police can request identification papers from anybody in Mexico, at any time for any reason.
They want to lock the fuck out of their southern border, to keep the undesirable Guats out, whilst being free to come and go in the U.S.
Sounds pretty racist if you ask me.
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Has nothing to do with open borders being pro-free market.
Nope. I simply pointed out that open borders is the pro-free market capitalism stance.
Between 1950 and 1988, around 4 million East Germans migrated to the West. 3.454 million of them left between 1950 and the construction of the Berlin Wall in 1961. The great majority simply walked across the border or, after 1952, exited through West Berlin. After the border was fortified and the Berlin Wall was constructed, the number of illegal border crossings fell drastically. The numbers fell further as the border defenses were improved over the subsequent decades. In 1961, 8,507 people fled across the border, most of them through West Berlin. The construction of the Berlin Wall that year reduced the number of escapees by 75% to around 2,300 per annum for the rest of the decade. The Wall changed Berlin from being one of the easiest places to cross the border, from the East, to being one of the most difficult.[1] The number of escapees fell further to 868 per annum during the 1970s and to only 334 per annum between 1980 and 1988.
Interesting that you keep turning to authoritarians as examples of what we could do better…