Security officials have told The Associated Press that the Islamic State group has trained at least 400 attackers and sent them into Europe for terror attacks.
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I don’t do name calling and emotional arguments. [/quote]
And I won’t suffer the enablers of this man any longer. His statements are public and he’s willingly defended them. In fact, if I’m to give the man credit it would be for this…For having some balls to say the vile crap he does, and then defend it. Like in the videos above. Paraphrasing for brevity; Yeah, I’d expand torture. Yeah, I want to take out their families (since they don’t fear their own deaths). And you better believe our soldiers would carry out those orders, because I’m me, a Leader. Too bad he’s the one toting them around. Can’t say the same for his supporters and their suspiciously defensive non-supporters. People who don’t have the courage to support Trump on those positions, but instead try to convince us he means taking their families out for dinner I guess. Or, that Trump is just saying what he thinks needs saying, i.e., a con man (because he doesn’t actually believe in what he’s saying) playing to the worst in us for his personal power and glory (some defense!).
As for respect and leaving a bad taste…The feeling has become well known to me on this forum. I see people who I once thought were on the whole morally good people now playing defense for the indefensible. I see people who are inexcusably luke-warm on what Trump has said. There are those who can’t bring themselves to put in their piece explicitly, while diverting criticism away from Trump.
Trust me, I feel you on that at least.
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Sorry I hit like on that post. Just scrolling through and bumped it.
Nope. I’m talking about this right now. How and why you believe that has bearing on the discussion, or me, I haven’t the slightest idea.
By the way, it’s pretty laughable that you’ve not only dodged the issue over and over, but now you’re desperate to get me completely off the topic.
So, do you support the positions I’ve demonstrated Trump does hold? This is the extent of our ever conversing now. You post with a video, a picture, or a different discussion, and I will only ever respond with that question. Beginning now…
That’s what I call “you can’t un-ring a bell.” Regardless of the explanation after the fact, we all know that looked like an unmitigated slaughter.
Yep, completely agree on this sentiment. What Trump suggested stops the train in its tracks - it isn’t about raising our cutting taxes, it is a moral fork in the road that deserves an answer.
Speaking of taxes, I’ve seen more “conservatives” draw lines on tax raising (“completely opposed in all circumstances!”) than on Trump’s purported policy of war crimes. That’s truly weird.
I don’t think it’s all that complicated. It’s an issue that could (should) galvanize conservatives and clear the path for Cruz. I asked Push earlier why Cruz wasn’t mopping the floor with Trump, and one reason was Trump was sucking all the air out of the room. True, so why not take it back, and take this “moral moment” to take back the air and run Trump out on a rail?
Instead, we see incredible squishiness and moral ambiguity. In addition to this being the wrong thing to be on this issue (period), it represents a missed opportunity to take Trump down and clear the way for a “true conservative”.
It’s inexplicable.
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Do you or do you not support those positions? Don’t want the question again, then don’t reply to me.
The one about Clinton’s “last eight years” statement.
Dementia, he is losing his mind (no sarc).
There’s a simple answer - it’s not relevant. Good for Bill Clinton for saying what everyone is thinking (progressives too, see Bill Press’s recent book criticizing Obama’s legacy), but it doesn’t have anything to do with the GOP nomination.
If you think it does, feel free to explain (in clear and concise terms) why it does.
Mark your calendars, Folks…
July 18–21, 2016; Cleveland, Ohio (interesting City choice?)
The GOP Convention will be ANYTHING but boring!
(I would probably take off from work if I wasn’t already going to be off the first of August!)
Well, “clear and concise” is an obvious impossibility, but at any rate, making your point about Trump via Clinton’s comments was a total stretch. There’s no obvious connection.
But your point (I think) is that the undisciplined Trump is simply mouthing off in random directions about how to deal with terror and he doesn’t actually think we should go after family members, and so all of us should take what he said with a political grain of salt.
I don’t think so, for several reasons.
First, such an articulation of a strategy doesn’t sound like random misspeaking, and in fact, his campaign has not defended it as such - they’ve said this kind of talk is deliberate, but designed only to get votes and Trump doesn’t actually mean it. Fine as far as it goes, but that isn’t misspeaking, which is what you seem to indicate is happening via your comparison to Bill Clinton.
So, what we know for sure is Trump is saying these things deliberately, either just to pander to certain elements in the GOP or because he actually believes in doing these things. Either way, saying these things should disqualify him for the presidency.
But somehow it doesn’t. And it’s an opportunity missed by conservatives who actually don’t want him to be the nominee. Conservatives could have destroyed Trump on these comments and opened doors for Cruz, Rubio, whoever.
But, like most missed chances at derailing Trump (which are piling up), conservatives shrugged their shoulders and wouldn’t take a stand on what should be an easy one.