The Next President of the United States: II

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

Another “head-scratcher” is Fiorina. She has fallen an amazing 15% in most Polls. With all the momentum after the first debate, she appeared to pull a “Scott Walker” and disappear.

That really is unfortunate.

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Seriously, what happened here?? Any ideas? It has not been that long since the debate, she was rising and has fallen off the map. Compare that with Carson, who did not do good in the debate, is rising. Carson has also made odd comments, but that did not ruin his support in any way.

I still don’t understand how Trump/Carson can say the most ridiculous things putting them way out of the mainstream and people still think they are good candidates.

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It seems all politicians are willing to hint on some of their positions, but not even all of the major ones without waffling around like they’re not certain.

If I were running and especially if polling in the single digits:
I would craft my position on the dozen or so issues that probably influence most of the votes such as economy, security, healthcare, etc.
Such positions would be substantiated by my thought process as to why.
Then my proposal as to where I believe the country should be per issue, and lastly - a relatively detailed means of getting there. This doesn’t have to be (and couldn’t be) 100% exhaustive, but if you favor a flat tax on either income or consumption, how about some frigging numbers to show why it is better than the mess we have now.

These candidates we have, don’t seem to realize you are applying for the CEO of the free world. CEO casts the vision, wonks working for the campaign can create the how to procedures.

1044

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
I still don’t understand how Trump/Carson can say the most ridiculous things putting them way out of the mainstream and people still think they are good candidates.[/quote]

My guess is they aren’t, in fact, “way out of the mainstream.”

1045

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Zeb:

Rubio has GOT to show some upward movement…and right now he is not. He remains a distant single-digit 3rd in all credible polls.[/quote]

He has gone from just one of the pack to 3rd place over the past 30 days. I’d say that is good improvement considering Iowa is not until February 1st.

[quote]Now…there are some thoughts out there that:

  1. Trump and Carson can stumble…get out of the race…and Rubio is the presumptive nominee.[/quote]

I’d be willing to stick my leg out and trip both of them.

Good question and I have heard this before from people in the know. He looks too young yada yada yada but for VP he looks just right. Okay…I’d settle for a Rubio as VP.

Yes, that could certainly be the case.

Trump started her tumble in the previous debate by questioning her on her two CEO positions. After that if you noticed that’s all the press wanted to talk about and by then she was dropping like a stone.

Not really, better she drop like a stone now than if she had gotten the nomination and then dropped to Hillary.

True, that is the biggest surprise of the season. But he was Trumps first victim. “that Jeb Bush is a low energy guy he finds it difficult to get anything done.” And just the other day mentioning 9-11 and GW…Trump will keep Jeb under water. As I said once before if that’s all Trump achieves then he’s done a good job. The country is not yet ready for another Bush Presidency

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[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

This will be a republican year short of a major miracle for the democrats that is not likely to come.
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Democrat miracle = Trump[/quote]

I don’t think so Drew. Even if Trump wins the nomination (still far off) and loses three debates in a row to Hillary (could happen) I still don’t see her winning. Granted he is the biggest risk in my opinion. Well Carson is a gigantic risk as well. Perhaps larger than Trump

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[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

Another “head-scratcher” is Fiorina. She has fallen an amazing 15% in most Polls. With all the momentum after the first debate, she appeared to pull a “Scott Walker” and disappear.

That really is unfortunate.

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Seriously, what happened here?? Any ideas? It has not been that long since the debate, she was rising and has fallen off the map. Compare that with Carson, who did not do good in the debate, is rising. Carson has also made odd comments, but that did not ruin his support in any way.

I still don’t understand how Trump/Carson can say the most ridiculous things putting them way out of the mainstream and people still think they are good candidates.[/quote]

The MSLM has helped Carson in a big way. Carson said he would not want a Muslim to be President. That statement is ridiculous to the main stream liberal media and they jumped all over it. But probably 70% of the population agree with him. That helped him in the polls. As I said above Trump began the dismantling of Fiorina by bringing her record as CEO of two major companies to light. The fact is she talks the talk better than she walks the walk.

1049

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I have to agree with Magick, because the only two people turning out the vote on the Republican side are Trump and Carson.

You cannot win the game if you do not field a team.
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Well they are turning out poll numbers. Lets wait for the primary votes before we count our chickens.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
“…former President Bill Clinton believes Marco Rubio represents the biggest threat to Hillary in 2016. According to his sources, Clinton said of Rubio, ‘We’ve got to destroy him before he gets off the ground.’”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/20/author-ed-klein-five-dirty-little-secrets-about-hillary-that-the-media-isnt-talking-about/[/quote]

I’m a little “uneasy” that not much controversial has come out about Rubio (and hope it never does).

Perhaps Rubio is as pure as the proverbial “newly fallen snow”…

Let’s hope so…because if he’s not, it will all eventually come out with a vengeance…you can count on it.

Mufasa

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

I still don’t understand how Trump/Carson can say the most ridiculous things putting them way out of the mainstream and people still think they are good candidates.[/quote]

What ridiculous things?[/quote]

Carson’s response to the gun shooting in Oregan about the people shouldn’t “just stand there”, comparing America to Nazi Germany, saying Obamacare is the same as slavery, saying how being gay is a choice because guys have sex (get raped) in jail.

Trump calling out McCain, twitter wars with Meghan Kelly, calling for someone (can’t remember the name) to get fired for saying ‘balls’ on TV aka the anti-PC guy going to the PC police, nodding along when a guy says Obama is muslim, anything regarding Obama not being an American citizen.

I would not want my president to act like that, and I think Trump/Carson will really struggle to get votes from people who don’t drink the Limbaugh kool-aid. Democratic strategists are hoping Trump or Carson are one of the candidates because that is their best chance to win.

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[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

I still don’t understand how Trump/Carson can say the most ridiculous things putting them way out of the mainstream and people still think they are good candidates.[/quote]

What ridiculous things?[/quote]

Carson’s response to the gun shooting in Oregan about the people shouldn’t “just stand there”, comparing America to Nazi Germany, saying Obamacare is the same as slavery, saying how being gay is a choice because guys have sex (get raped) in jail.

Trump calling out McCain, twitter wars with Meghan Kelly, calling for someone (can’t remember the name) to get fired for saying ‘balls’ on TV aka the anti-PC guy going to the PC police, nodding along when a guy says Obama is muslim, anything regarding Obama not being an American citizen.

I would not want my president to act like that, and I think Trump/Carson will really struggle to get votes from people who don’t drink the Limbaugh kool-aid. Democratic strategists are hoping Trump or Carson are one of the candidates because that is their best chance to win.[/quote]

Except that Trump is polling best among Liberals and moderates.

Among those voters who identify as very conservative, Carson leads with 28 percent, and Trump is in first place with voters who say they are moderate or liberal, listen to talk radio, and identify as members of the Tea Party movement.

If thew Trump train comes to a stop, a bullpen with Kasich/Rubio would still be strong.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

I still don’t understand how Trump/Carson can say the most ridiculous things putting them way out of the mainstream and people still think they are good candidates.[/quote]

What ridiculous things?[/quote]

Carson’s response to the gun shooting in Oregan about the people shouldn’t “just stand there”, comparing America to Nazi Germany, saying Obamacare is the same as slavery, saying how being gay is a choice because guys have sex (get raped) in jail.

Trump calling out McCain, twitter wars with Meghan Kelly, calling for someone (can’t remember the name) to get fired for saying ‘balls’ on TV aka the anti-PC guy going to the PC police, nodding along when a guy says Obama is muslim, anything regarding Obama not being an American citizen.

I would not want my president to act like that, and I think Trump/Carson will really struggle to get votes from people who don’t drink the Limbaugh kool-aid. Democratic strategists are hoping Trump or Carson are one of the candidates because that is their best chance to win.[/quote]

Except that Trump is polling best among Liberals and moderates.

Among those voters who identify as very conservative, Carson leads with 28 percent, and Trump is in first place with voters who say they are moderate or liberal, listen to talk radio, and identify as members of the Tea Party movement.

If thew Trump train comes to a stop, a bullpen with Kasich/Rubio would still be strong.[/quote]

Except, if you’d actually read the poll that you cited, you would see that the measurement error is close to 5 points. Therefore, these results suggest a statistical tie in every category between Trump and Carson. He is not polling any better (or worse) than Carson with conservatives and moderate/liberals (or any other subgroup).

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

I still don’t understand how Trump/Carson can say the most ridiculous things putting them way out of the mainstream and people still think they are good candidates.[/quote]

What ridiculous things?[/quote]

Carson’s response to the gun shooting in Oregan about the people shouldn’t “just stand there”, comparing America to Nazi Germany, saying Obamacare is the same as slavery, saying how being gay is a choice because guys have sex (get raped) in jail.

Trump calling out McCain, twitter wars with Meghan Kelly, calling for someone (can’t remember the name) to get fired for saying ‘balls’ on TV aka the anti-PC guy going to the PC police, nodding along when a guy says Obama is muslim, anything regarding Obama not being an American citizen.

I would not want my president to act like that, and I think Trump/Carson will really struggle to get votes from people who don’t drink the Limbaugh kool-aid. Democratic strategists are hoping Trump or Carson are one of the candidates because that is their best chance to win.[/quote]

Except that Trump is polling best among Liberals and moderates.

Among those voters who identify as very conservative, Carson leads with 28 percent, and Trump is in first place with voters who say they are moderate or liberal, listen to talk radio, and identify as members of the Tea Party movement.

If thew Trump train comes to a stop, a bullpen with Kasich/Rubio would still be strong.[/quote]

I’m with you on the Kasich/Rubio ticket. I think that is a big win for the republicans.

How many people say they are moderate/liberal and identify with the Tea Party movement? Or did I read that wrong and he is leading the 3 different categories of moderate/liberal, talk radio, and tea party?

I stand by my statement that Trump/Carson say ridiculous things and are the easiest to beat. That is why I’m amazed they are staying top in the polls, particularrly Carson with his comments lately. I actually think Trump has improved a lot with his ‘ridiculous statement’ start, he hasn’t said anything unusual lately and has released some policy positions. The issue is that democrats can put together attack add compilations from the material they have and they are both risky candidates.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dr J wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
I still don’t understand how Trump/Carson can say the most ridiculous things putting them way out of the mainstream and people still think they are good candidates.[/quote]

My guess is they aren’t, in fact, “way out of the mainstream.”[/quote]

Bingo.

They may be out of the mainstream of the mainstream press but not the mainstream of the American people. It’s the mainstream press doing the full court press, insisting they’re out of the mainstream.[/quote]

I wouldn’t take polling done for party primaries to represent the average America.