They’re fed up with the “establishment GOP” and “RINOs”.
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Why?[/quote]
Generally, they are maximalist ideologues who have little substantive understanding of history or politics. They reject via media in favor of my way or the highway. Compromise equals appeasement for the tea party and their ilk. [/quote]
That’s a very harsh judgement relative to the Tea party,and worse incorrect. What you are not acknowledging is the fact that Obama and company (including the left wing media) have pulled the country so far left that there needs to be groups representing what real Americans are thinking. And the media now tries to paint the Tea Party as a right wing nightmare full of narrow minds, hate and even racism. Those who can see through this smoke screen know that this is nonsense.
The Tea Party actually represents the very same values that most Americans want.
Strong military
Balanced budget
Reasonable tax structure
Pro life.
Etc.
As much as the left wants us all to think that the electorate has moved to the far left it just isn’t so. As I said if looked at more closely the Tea Party is very representational of mainstream American thinking.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The biggest mistake a Trump hater/lampooner/critic can make is to blame his popularity on the alleged stupidity of his supporters. A discerning observer would comprehend that there is something else going on.[/quote]
They’re fed up with the “establishment GOP” and “RINOs”. Still, burning the house down in lieu of renovation is the epitome of idiocy. [/quote]
Ever hear of a guy named Andrew Jackson?[/quote]
Heh. The same Jackson you vilified here on PWI in a previous thread?
In any event, never confuse a populist and a demagogue. Trump is the latter, not the former. And there is no comparison to Jackson.
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The Jackson comparison is made even more head scratching by the fact that Trump is a draft dodger that insults POWs while he has zero understanding of military matters.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The biggest mistake a Trump hater/lampooner/critic can make is to blame his popularity on the alleged stupidity of his supporters. A discerning observer would comprehend that there is something else going on.[/quote]
They’re fed up with the “establishment GOP” and “RINOs”. Still, burning the house down in lieu of renovation is the epitome of idiocy. [/quote]
Ever hear of a guy named Andrew Jackson?[/quote]
Heh. The same Jackson you vilified here on PWI in a previous thread?
In any event, never confuse a populist and a demagogue. Trump is the latter, not the former. And there is no comparison to Jackson.
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The Jackson comparison is made even more head scratching by the fact that Trump is a draft dodger that insults POWs while he has zero understanding of military matters.
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He insulted exactly one former POW, John McCain.
Claiming he has “zero” understanding of military matters is more of your hyperbole. His education of military matters no doubt grows by the week. Of course it would only take a few weeks to surpass Hillary Clinton’s own understanding of such matters (cough) Benghazi…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The biggest mistake a Trump hater/lampooner/critic can make is to blame his popularity on the alleged stupidity of his supporters. A discerning observer would comprehend that there is something else going on.[/quote]
They’re fed up with the “establishment GOP” and “RINOs”. Still, burning the house down in lieu of renovation is the epitome of idiocy. [/quote]
Ever hear of a guy named Andrew Jackson?[/quote]
Heh. The same Jackson you vilified here on PWI in a previous thread?
In any event, never confuse a populist and a demagogue. Trump is the latter, not the former. And there is no comparison to Jackson.
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The Jackson comparison is made even more head scratching by the fact that Trump is a draft dodger that insults POWs while he has zero understanding of military matters.
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He insulted exactly one former POW, John McCain.
Claiming he has “zero” understanding of military matters is more of your hyperbole. His education of military matters no doubt grows by the week. Of course it would only take a few weeks to surpass Hillary Clinton’s own understanding of such matters (cough) Benghazi…[/quote]
Why is it that you and your ilk must argue from intuition rather than utilize reliable and credible sources of information? Most Americans are pro-choice.
The United States is far and away the most powerful state the world has ever known. Its relative power advantage is enormous. Are the American armed forces weak Zeb? For what it’s worth, the leading democratic candidate has advocate for increased defense spending. Hard power hasn’t been the sole purview of the Republican Party for nearly a decade.
As prominent economists have noted, a predominant, globe trotting military is not conducive to a balanced budget. Net importers typically also have budget deficits. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
That’s a very harsh judgement relative to the Tea party,and worse incorrect. What you are not acknowledging is the fact that Obama and company (including the left wing media) have pulled the country so far left that there needs to be groups representing what real Americans are thinking. And the media now tries to paint the Tea Party as a right wing nightmare full of narrow minds, hate and even racism. Those who can see through this smoke screen know that this is nonsense.
The Tea Party actually represents the very same values that most Americans want.
Strong military
Balanced budget
Reasonable tax structure
Pro life.
Etc.
As much as the left wants us all to think that the electorate has moved to the far left it just isn’t so. As I said if looked at more closely the Tea Party is very representational of mainstream American thinking.
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Obama isn’t even left wing, he’s basically conservative-light when compared to actual liberals. As for what most Americans want, most are not pro-life. What the Tea Party feels is a reasonable tax structure is less taxes for the rich. That’s certainly not helping the average American. Our military is by far the most powerful in the world, and this shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion. We could cut our military funding by half and still spend more on our military than any other country in the world.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The biggest mistake a Trump hater/lampooner/critic can make is to blame his popularity on the alleged stupidity of his supporters. A discerning observer would comprehend that there is something else going on.[/quote]
They’re fed up with the “establishment GOP” and “RINOs”. Still, burning the house down in lieu of renovation is the epitome of idiocy. [/quote]
Ever hear of a guy named Andrew Jackson?[/quote]
Heh. The same Jackson you vilified here on PWI in a previous thread?
In any event, never confuse a populist and a demagogue. Trump is the latter, not the former. And there is no comparison to Jackson.
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The Jackson comparison is made even more head scratching by the fact that Trump is a draft dodger that insults POWs while he has zero understanding of military matters.
[/quote]
He insulted exactly one former POW, John McCain.
Claiming he has “zero” understanding of military matters is more of your hyperbole. His education of military matters no doubt grows by the week. Of course it would only take a few weeks to surpass Hillary Clinton’s own understanding of such matters (cough) Benghazi…[/quote]
Just pitiful, Zeb. Pitiful.
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Your cohort is talking in generalities. Something that he accuses others of doing. And I am correct on both points–not so pitiful.
As for you, still no answer to my response to your mishmash of a post earlier. All I’m hearing are crickets. Apparently you now agree with me.
That’s a very harsh judgement relative to the Tea party,and worse incorrect. What you are not acknowledging is the fact that Obama and company (including the left wing media) have pulled the country so far left that there needs to be groups representing what real Americans are thinking. And the media now tries to paint the Tea Party as a right wing nightmare full of narrow minds, hate and even racism. Those who can see through this smoke screen know that this is nonsense.
The Tea Party actually represents the very same values that most Americans want.
Strong military
Balanced budget
Reasonable tax structure
Pro life.
Etc.
As much as the left wants us all to think that the electorate has moved to the far left it just isn’t so. As I said if looked at more closely the Tea Party is very representational of mainstream American thinking.
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Obama isn’t even left wing, he’s basically conservative-light when compared to actual liberals. As for what most Americans want, most are not pro-life. What the Tea Party feels is a reasonable tax structure is less taxes for the rich. That’s certainly not helping the average American. Our military is by far the most powerful in the world, and this shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion. We could cut our military funding by half and still spend more on our military than any other country in the world.[/quote]
LMAO…keep them coming junior this one was a riot!
And in the future try to keep your TV viewing away from MSNBC.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
The United States is far and away the most powerful state the world has ever known. Its relative power advantage is enormous. Are the American armed forces weak Zeb? For what it’s worth, the leading democratic candidate has advocate for increased defense spending. Hard power hasn’t been the sole purview of the Republican Party for nearly a decade. [/quote]
What you seem to have left out was Obama cutting the military by about 35%.
Now why did you leave that out?
Oh that’s right just trying to win an argument regardless of facts.
Sorry Zeb - the only thing you’ve accomplished in this these is don the clown nose. You keep claiming you know next to nothing about Trump, but apparently you know enough about him to think he’d be a pretty awesome Commander in Chief, even if he isn’t your first choice.
Trump’s terrible. He has no head for policy, and never will. He’s good at makin money – so is Kanye West. Second look at Kanye for president, Zeb?
We talk often about Obama gets his lunch eaten by world leaders (Putin being the latest). Trump would, too. It would be child’s play to push his buttons. Now, were Trump running as a Democrat (which he could do), you’d be crawling all over his weaknesses and would admit he’d be horrible with the Putin’s of the world.
But…you won’t now. Why? For the sole reason he is a Republican candidate. Because he is, we hear a constant refrain of Trump! Really! Is! Pretty! Awesome! Exact same man, exact same pitch, exact same resume, but put a D beside his name - and you’d be his leading critic.
That’s dumb, but that’s how you operate. And it’s never been more obvious.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The biggest mistake a Trump hater/lampooner/critic can make is to blame his popularity on the alleged stupidity of his supporters. A discerning observer would comprehend that there is something else going on.[/quote]
They’re fed up with the “establishment GOP” and “RINOs”. Still, burning the house down in lieu of renovation is the epitome of idiocy. [/quote]
Ever hear of a guy named Andrew Jackson?[/quote]
Heh. The same Jackson you vilified here on PWI in a previous thread?
In any event, never confuse a populist and a demagogue. Trump is the latter, not the former. And there is no comparison to Jackson.
[/quote]
The Jackson comparison is made even more head scratching by the fact that Trump is a draft dodger that insults POWs while he has zero understanding of military matters.
[/quote]
He insulted exactly one former POW, John McCain.
Claiming he has “zero” understanding of military matters is more of your hyperbole. His education of military matters no doubt grows by the week. Of course it would only take a few weeks to surpass Hillary Clinton’s own understanding of such matters (cough) Benghazi…[/quote]
Just pitiful, Zeb. Pitiful.
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Your cohort is talking in generalities. Something that he accuses others of doing. And I am correct on both points–not so pitiful.
As for you, still no answer to my response to your mishmash of a post earlier. All I’m hearing are crickets. Apparently you now agree with me.
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It should be pretty clear I don’t agree with you, but maybe you aren’t that observant.
Trump slanders one of our most appreciated veterans - but you rush to defend Trump.
Bismark says the comparison to Jackson is inept because Trump knows nothing of military matters and unlike Jackson didn’t step forward to serve when there was a military need. You attempt to change the subject to how Hilary don’t know nothing about military stuff.
Hillary has many weaknesses in this policy space, but her resume versus Trump’s on this matter isn’t close.
This election is the GOP’s to lose, but pretending Hillary isn’t formidable is dumb.
4 kids and a wife on one income and it’s not very hard. With a $4000 child tax credit you only need to get your taxable income under ~$33,000. [/quote]
Do you mean you purposely make less money to get the deductions?
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What are you talking about? I truly have no clue what you are asking. None of the deductions I listed, with the exception of a traditional IRA (but only because I have access to a 401k), are income dependent.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Three problems with your statement: First of all 47% of the people currently pay no tax so life does not change for them…they don’t care what “The Donald” is doing. Secondly, the democrats live to pander to those 47%, if Trump gets in a little pandering himself I’m good with that.
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I paid no federal income taxes last year. I actually got about $100 from the government.[/quote]
So, you don’t work a job? or you work a job with little income? What? because I pay enough federal taxes to raise a welfare family of 8 with full benefits. [/quote]
4 kids and a wife on one income and it’s not very hard. With a $4000 child tax credit you only need to get your taxable income under ~$33,000. Standard deduction is $12,600, but I’m able to deduct a little more than that. Exemptions will add to $24,000. Health care premiums give me another $4000 deduction. I made up the rest in 401k, IRA, and HSA contributions.
The point is that the notion that 47% of us are all freeloaders being pandered to by democrats is an incredibly arrogant statement.[/quote]
Your saying that you feed and house a family of six on 2700.00 a month and still have enough left over for 401k, IRA, and HSA contributions?
Good for you.
I’m in CA and single, 2700.00 and I barely get by.
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You guys do understand the difference between taxable income and gross income, don’t you?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Sorry Zeb - the only thing you’ve accomplished in this these is don the clown nose. You keep claiming you know next to nothing about Trump, but apparently you know enough about him to think he’d be a pretty awesome Commander in Chief, even if he isn’t your first choice.[/quote]
That’s the problem with you TB you pretend to pay attention but sometimes you don’t. It comes out in statements such as the one above “(Zeb thinks) he (Trump) would be a pretty awesome commander and chief.” Now I’d like you to show me where I actually said that or anything even close…you can’t and that makes you the clown my friend. What I said and what my entire argument revolves around (how a bright guy like yourself could miss it is totally beyond me) is that I prefer Trump to Hillary Clinton and I have given reasons why. You disagree with me, no problem. You would rather stay home and possibly allow a corrupt individual such as Hillary Clinton win the White House. I would rather have a hand in deciding who the next President is.
Well, at least I finally got you to admit that Trump is good at making money. This is a huge step for you TB as you like to take any credit away from the man that you can because you dislike him. So good for you!
One more of your blind spots however is your lack of objectivity. It does not allow you to see the difference between a singer who has earned a lot of money and a business man who has earned even more money.
Let me again take you back to 1992 and the Ross Perot campaign. Do you know why he was so popular? And you do know he was only a businessman right? You know he was never elected to public office right? Yet, he was accepted as a legitimate candidate and he was actually leading both Bill Clinton and sitting President George H.W. Bush in the polls before he dropped out and then reentered the race again a few weeks later. That killed his chances of becoming President. I bring up Perot only to point out that billionaire businessmen have tried this before and been accepted as legitimate candidates. Back to Trump, should he win the republican nomination, and I gave you a whole passel of reasons why he won’t, I will vote for him over Hillary Clinton YOU BET!
Funny you would say that (with no real evidence). You must understand that Obama is almost the exact opposite of Donald Trump except for the ego. Obama never had a real job in his life unless you count community organizer. And all Trump has done is go out into the real world and make a fortune, no doubt fighting every step of the way. The last time I checked no one is handing anyone billions of dollars it must be earned through working hard and working smart, something we hope our elected officials do. So as for Trump getting his lunch eaten more so than Obama…nope not buying it hombre!
Actually I can point out as many Trump weaknesses, as a political candidate, as you can. And I have on other threads. You were either reading them or not. You see that’s why I have chosen Marco Rubio as my top pick because in my view he has far, far less shortcomings than Donald Trump. But then you know that. Let’s not try to pretend that I am a Trump supporter. That’s what you seem to be implying. I am only a Trump supporter if he is running against the most unethical candidate to perhaps run for the top spot in modern times, Hillary Clinton. I hope we are clear on that.
You have been accusing me of being a republican for sometime now. I will have to spell it out for you (as I have done before) so that you might be able to direct your attack elsewhere.
Read this please: I AM A REPUBLICAN AND VERY PROUD OF IT. Especially given a choice between the two main parties.
Clear?
I feel that our best hope lies in the republican philosophy over the far more liberal democrats. Granted we need a republican who can actually follow through and stick with conservative principals. We’ve had a hit and miss scenario with this over the past 30 years. But I know what the democrats stand for and when they are perfect I don’t like them. Am I closed minded, or am I convinced that the republican philosophy is better than what the democrats have to offer?
I’m sorry you can’t see the difference between actually supporting a candidate for President and voting for the best of two candidates should it come to that. Claiming that I am a true blue Trump supporter when I have posted all over the board that Rubio is my first choice and Trump is far down the line is a fraudulent attempt to win a point. I always thought you were better than that.
The question you should be asking yourself is why would you sit home and allow a corrupt Hillary Clinton to win the Presidency?
This election is the GOP’s to lose, but pretending Hillary isn’t formidable is dumb.
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This election is the GOP’s to lose you are correct.
I have been saying for months (and I still am) that Hillary will never become President. But I don’t recall you agreeing with me on that point, maybe I missed it somewhere.
As I said Hillary has nothing to offer voters as a candidate. If the democrats make the mistake of allowing her the nomination she will lose.
By the way, why do you think they are promoting the gaffe machine Joe Biden, and have also been talking about dusting off mister lock box himself, Al Gore? Is it because they are confident that Hillary is a winner?
I wonder what the odds are? Hillary getting elected to the Presidency vs. Hillary getting indicted.
I have no idea how your generally analysis could have fallen so far TB but it absolutely has!
