The Next President of the United States: II

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]H factor wrote:
The guy who calls everyone a loser has called women fat ugly pigs and spoke of them bleeding as well as made fun of a woman’s looks is upset about what someone said?

Honestly at first I felt like Trump was punking me. The guy who has probably had the least control and decency in his language is mad about what someone else said about him? Pot meet kettle.

I don’t like Lowry and disagree with the premise behind his comment, but he was spot on with the remark that Trump can diss it out but can’t take it.
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No kidding.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
The guy who calls everyone a loser has called women fat ugly pigs and spoke of them bleeding as well as made fun of a woman’s looks is upset about what someone said?

Honestly at first I felt like Trump was punking me. The guy who has probably had the least control and decency in his language is mad about what someone else said about him? Pot meet kettle.

I don’t like Lowry and disagree with the premise behind his comment, but he was spot on with the remark that Trump can diss it out but can’t take it.
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No kidding. [/quote]

Congrats on the kid man. Wife and I have one on the way. Haven’t been able to post in forever while getting stuff ready!

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
The guy who calls everyone a loser has called women fat ugly pigs and spoke of them bleeding as well as made fun of a woman’s looks is upset about what someone said?

Honestly at first I felt like Trump was punking me. The guy who has probably had the least control and decency in his language is mad about what someone else said about him? Pot meet kettle.

I don’t like Lowry and disagree with the premise behind his comment, but he was spot on with the remark that Trump can diss it out but can’t take it.
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No kidding. [/quote]

Congrats on the kid man. Wife and I have one on the way. Haven’t been able to post in forever while getting stuff ready! [/quote]

Thanks man, congrats to you and the Mrs. as well!

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It’s interesting how Trump, in fine bully fashion, picks on one particular thing about each candidate and hammers it.

Carly is ugly

Bush is low energy

Can’t remember the Rick Perry comments

And now he is attacking Rubio as “looking like a kid who should not even be running.”

I see Trumps star fading as he is down about 5 points from his highest numbers. But it can’t happen fast enough for me.

Thoughts?

765

[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s interesting how Trump, in fine bully fashion, picks on one particular thing about each candidate and hammers it.

Carly is ugly

Bush is low energy

Can’t remember the Rick Perry comments

And now he is attacking Rubio as “looking like a kid who should not even be running.”

I see Trumps star fading as he is down about 5 points from his highest numbers. But it can’t happen fast enough for me.

Thoughts?
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Agree.

Trump seems confident and acts brash, but the comments come off as insecure. I think his support will continue to fade as the field gets smaller because it will take more than a 10-second soundbites during debates. He cannot compete when the other candidates talk in depth policy.

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[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s interesting how Trump, in fine bully fashion, picks on one particular thing about each candidate and hammers it.

Carly is ugly

Bush is low energy

Can’t remember the Rick Perry comments

And now he is attacking Rubio as “looking like a kid who should not even be running.”

I see Trumps star fading as he is down about 5 points from his highest numbers. But it can’t happen fast enough for me.

Thoughts?
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Agree.

Trump seems confident and acts brash, but the comments come off as insecure. I think his support will continue to fade as the field gets smaller because it will take more than a 10-second soundbites during debates. He cannot compete when the other candidates talk in depth policy.[/quote]

I agree with your analysis.

767

Trump obviously think we are all stupid.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Trump obviously think we are all stupid.

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“We are going seal our financial obligations border by building an IRS wall, and the Fed & bond market are going to pay for it. Furthermore, they will be happy to do it because we have given them a fortune.”
Geez

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[quote]treco wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Trump obviously think we are all stupid.

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“We are going seal our financial obligations border by building an IRS wall, and the Fed & bond market are going to pay for it. Furthermore, they will be happy to do it because we have given them a fortune.”
Geez[/quote]

Lol.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Trump obviously think we are all stupid.

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You are probably not aware but the same thing was said about the Reagan tax plan back in 1980 when it was presented. However, what the left failed to recognize is that when you lower taxes you create jobs. In other words you broaden the tax base. Yes, in the beginning less tax money comes in as the rates are lower. But, over a relatively short period of time the economy picks up as job creators are allowed to expand by keeping more of their own money. And others have more money in their pockets which means there will be more spending.

I like the Trump tax plan but for one exception. I feel that everyone should pay something. Therefore, those making even 25-k per year should contribute a small amount.

The Trump tax plan is a winner.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Trump obviously think we are all stupid.

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You are probably not aware but the same thing was said about the Reagan tax plan back in 1980 when it was presented. However, what the left failed to recognize is that when you lower taxes you create jobs. In other words you broaden the tax base. Yes, in the beginning less tax money comes in as the rates are lower. But, over a relatively short period of time the economy picks up as job creators are allowed to expand by keeping more of their own money. And others have more money in their pockets which means there will be more spending.

I like the Trump tax plan but for one exception. I feel that everyone should pay something. Therefore, those making even 25-k per year should contribute a small amount.

The Trump tax plan is a winner. [/quote]

No it isn’t and here is why, there is zero chance he will come up with or pass the offsetting reductions needed to make this even neutral let alone reduce the deficit or debt. He’s also a liar when he says this plan will cost him a lot of money.

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Also I believe 47% of American already pay no taxes so he’s increased that by a whopping 3%. The only people who will pay more under this plan are the Cap Gains folks unless he left their rate at 20% (I don’t remember see it mentioned).

It sounds good on paper, but it can’t be done without massive cuts the dems are not gonna allow to pass.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
He’s also a liar when he says this plan will cost him a lot of money.
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Depends on how broad of a brush he’s painting with his “carried interest” comments. (I hate this fucking topic, btw. The vast majority of things said about it in the news is utter bullshit. And to the stuff that isn’t bullshit, I could literally argue both ways. So it annoys the shit out of me.)

There was zero substance in his Journal Op Ed this morning… I can’t really comment.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Trump obviously think we are all stupid.

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You are probably not aware but the same thing was said about the Reagan tax plan back in 1980 when it was presented. However, what the left failed to recognize is that when you lower taxes you create jobs. In other words you broaden the tax base. Yes, in the beginning less tax money comes in as the rates are lower. But, over a relatively short period of time the economy picks up as job creators are allowed to expand by keeping more of their own money. And others have more money in their pockets which means there will be more spending.

I like the Trump tax plan but for one exception. I feel that everyone should pay something. Therefore, those making even 25-k per year should contribute a small amount.

The Trump tax plan is a winner. [/quote]

No it isn’t and here is why, there is zero chance he will come up with or pass the offsetting reductions needed to make this even neutral let alone reduce the deficit or debt. He’s also a liar when he says this plan will cost him a lot of money.
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Well, no one knows what will pass and what will not. It is merely a proposal and a good one I think. You can claim that any candidates proposal is no good because it cannot be guaranteed to pass through congress.

You call him a liar because he claims that the proposal if passed untouched will cost him more personally when you don’t even understand Trumps tax status or how it would effect him.

Look I get it you don’t like Trump I think we all understand that. And I will add he is not even close to being my favorite candidate. But, for heaven sakes give him a break relative to his tax plan it is not a bad plan and is certainly more than any of the other candidates have offered.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, for heaven sakes give him a break relative to his tax plan it is not a bad plan and is certainly more than any of the other candidates have offered.
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I know Bush and Rubio have released more detailed plans, and believe Rand Paul is going for a 14.5% flat tax. Not sure about the others.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
He’s also a liar when he says this plan will cost him a lot of money.
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Depends on how broad of a brush he’s painting with his “carried interest” comments. (I hate this fucking topic, btw. The vast majority of things said about it in the news is utter bullshit. And to the stuff that isn’t bullshit, I could literally argue both ways. So it annoys the shit out of me.)

There was zero substance in his Journal Op Ed this morning… I can’t really comment. [/quote]

I didn’t think the carried interest issue affected him, does it?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Trump obviously think we are all stupid.

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You are probably not aware but the same thing was said about the Reagan tax plan back in 1980 when it was presented. However, what the left failed to recognize is that when you lower taxes you create jobs. In other words you broaden the tax base. Yes, in the beginning less tax money comes in as the rates are lower. But, over a relatively short period of time the economy picks up as job creators are allowed to expand by keeping more of their own money. And others have more money in their pockets which means there will be more spending.

I like the Trump tax plan but for one exception. I feel that everyone should pay something. Therefore, those making even 25-k per year should contribute a small amount.

The Trump tax plan is a winner. [/quote]

No it isn’t and here is why, there is zero chance he will come up with or pass the offsetting reductions needed to make this even neutral let alone reduce the deficit or debt. He’s also a liar when he says this plan will cost him a lot of money.
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Well, no one knows what will pass and what will not. It is merely a proposal and a good one I think. You can claim that any candidates proposal is no good because it cannot be guaranteed to pass through congress.

You call him a liar because he claims that the proposal if passed untouched will cost him more personally when you don’t even understand Trumps tax status or how it would effect him.

Look I get it you don’t like Trump I think we all understand that. And I will add he is not even close to being my favorite candidate. But, for heaven sakes give him a break relative to his tax plan it is not a bad plan and is certainly more than any of the other candidates have offered.
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Zeb, come on, be objective. Trump made like $300+ million dollars last year and I don’t believe that was capital gains (maybe it was). He is in the highest tax bracket that exists otherwise and there is virtually no chance he could of gotten his effective tax rate below 25% and per his plan he would still get certain deduction (like the mortgage interest deduction). His effective rate under the new plan would be lower under the current plan ie it would not cost him a ton of money. Even if his income is 100% capital gains, which I don’t believe is the case, his effective rate wouldn’t be that far off under either plan. So again, he isn’t going to get “killed” by his plan. It’s non-sense.

He’s conning conservatives and pandering to 50% of the population that won’t have any skin in the game and will not care if the top rate under is plan skyrockets to 75% next year, which is about the only way he’ll pay for the estimated $10 Trillion added to the deficit.

It has nothing to do with not liking him. It has to do with what is best for this country.

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[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, for heaven sakes give him a break relative to his tax plan it is not a bad plan and is certainly more than any of the other candidates have offered.
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I know Bush and Rubio have released more detailed plans, and believe Rand Paul is going for a 14.5% flat tax. Not sure about the others.

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Fiorina has the potential of pulling a “Scott Walker” here with hearing nothing from her about taxes.

Does she have a Tax Plan?

Mufasa

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
He’s also a liar when he says this plan will cost him a lot of money.
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Depends on how broad of a brush he’s painting with his “carried interest” comments. (I hate this fucking topic, btw. The vast majority of things said about it in the news is utter bullshit. And to the stuff that isn’t bullshit, I could literally argue both ways. So it annoys the shit out of me.)

There was zero substance in his Journal Op Ed this morning… I can’t really comment. [/quote]

I didn’t think the carried interest issue affected him, does it? [/quote]

Based on his wording in the paper, it will.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Zeb, come on, be objective.[/quote]

That seems to be a problem of yours when the topic turns to Donald Trump.

Precisely my point, you don’t know and neither do I. So why attack the man until we actually do know?

Not necessarily because you and I don’t know the number of deductions that he is currently taking that will no longer be aloud under his proposed plan.

He might be depending upon the deductions that he will no longer be able to take. We just don’t’ know. But don’t let that stop you from attacking his plan. By the way shouldn’t his plan be judged by how much it helps or hurts the United States and not just him? It seems that there are enough left wing loons who simply want those who are better off financially to shoulder a higher tax burden and attack anything that helps the job creators–But you are not one of them I’m sure.

Three problems with your statement: First of all 47% of the people currently pay no tax so life does not change for them…they don’t care what “The Donald” is doing. Secondly, the democrats live to pander to those 47%, if Trump gets in a little pandering himself I’m good with that. Finally, as I have already accurately stated, the Reagan tax plan was also attacked for the same reasons that you suggest and ended up growing the economy by about 20 million jobs! When people, especially job creators, get to keep more of their money the economy is better off. Growth my friend—GROWTH! Look at it this way, Obama taxed us to death and what is going on with the economy as a result? Right!

Actually, there was a study done (I actually tried to find it and couldn’t but I will keep trying) which demonstrated that we (voters) first get an emotional impression of a candidate. If we like him/her we then find reasons to like his or her ideas.

As I’ve said many times in the past we (most everyone, but not everyone) vote for the person we L I K E. We rationalize the rest later on.

You don’t LIKE Trump and there is nothing that Trump can say or do that you will go along with. I imagine there are many who agree with you. But if he is the nominee I certainly hope that they like him better than one of the three stooges, Bernie, Biden or Hillary.