The Next President of the United States: II

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
So far I will be physically incapable of placing a vote for Trump, Clinton, Huckabee, Cruz or Biden. The '16 election may be one I have to throw my vote at the Libertarian chump.[/quote]

I agree its really not looking that good, I have not been around for many elections but I would be very surprised if this one was not a record for number of people voting against the opposing party/candidate rather than their preferred choice.[/quote]

Sufiandy:

I think that this is where it’s all headed also.

While there will always be an element of voting “against” others instead of “for” someone; with the exception of 2008, where there was clearly enthusiasm “for” the President…it just appears to me that recent elections have become more and more a case of “holding your nose for the chosen candidate” because they were at least “better” than the alternative.

Mufasa
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This is the best republican field in decades, maybe ever. If someone can’t get excited about voting out the left and voting FOR one of these great candidates then they will never be.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
So far I will be physically incapable of placing a vote for Trump, Clinton, Huckabee, Cruz or Biden. The '16 election may be one I have to throw my vote at the Libertarian chump.[/quote]

I agree its really not looking that good, I have not been around for many elections but I would be very surprised if this one was not a record for number of people voting against the opposing party/candidate rather than their preferred choice.[/quote]

Sufiandy:

I think that this is where it’s all headed also.

While there will always be an element of voting “against” others instead of “for” someone; with the exception of 2008, where there was clearly enthusiasm “for” the President…it just appears to me that recent elections have become more and more a case of “holding your nose for the chosen candidate” because they were at least “better” than the alternative.

Mufasa
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This is the best republican field in decades, maybe ever. If someone can’t get excited about voting out the left and voting FOR one of these great candidates then they will never be.
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One big problem is those who would get excited to vote out the left are facing off against a growing VOTING liberal base. I’m afraid we may have reached a tipping point where the democrats will now walk away with all presitdential elections.

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It’s not just that, but the GOP appears heavily fragmented. The republicans used to be much more homogeneous, but in more recent times it seems like there are more stakeholders and some old ones with louder voices if not simply more of them. The republican party also lacks leadership. I ask myself, “Who is the voice of the republicans”, and I don’t have a clear answer. Only some maybe’s.

The democrats for a long time have had a very diverse base and for long time had strategies to pull them all together come voting time. There’s are also some clear leaders in the democrat party even if you hate them and/or their message.

At this junction, I can’t see how the republicans can pull the youth vote or the Hispanic vote. So all the democrats need is someone who can get those populations out to vote. If I were Hispanic and I was listening to Trump talk and knew how well he was polling… I would be deeply concerned about the state of the republican party. Perhaps so much as to go to polls simply to prevent him from getting in the white house.

I also don’t know any millennials that would vote for Trump. But that’s just anecdotal. I haven’t seen any polls related to that.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Rick Perry drops out.

Who’s next? Place your bets here.[/quote]

Jindal

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It isn’t mentioned enough…but I think that the biggest “surprise”? in all this is Jeb Bush.

With the latest Polls; Bush has fallen to single digits (something like 3%) and is showing no signs of strengthening. Yet he STILL remains the one with the largest “War Chest”.

It should be interesting to see if eventually all this Super PAC money will win out…or whether or not it will not be enough.

Thoughts?

Mufasa

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
So far I will be physically incapable of placing a vote for Trump, Clinton, Huckabee, Cruz or Biden. The '16 election may be one I have to throw my vote at the Libertarian chump.[/quote]

I agree its really not looking that good, I have not been around for many elections but I would be very surprised if this one was not a record for number of people voting against the opposing party/candidate rather than their preferred choice.[/quote]

Sufiandy:

I think that this is where it’s all headed also.

While there will always be an element of voting “against” others instead of “for” someone; with the exception of 2008, where there was clearly enthusiasm “for” the President…it just appears to me that recent elections have become more and more a case of “holding your nose for the chosen candidate” because they were at least “better” than the alternative.

Mufasa
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This is the best republican field in decades, maybe ever. If someone can’t get excited about voting out the left and voting FOR one of these great candidates then they will never be.
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One big problem is those who would get excited to vote out the left are facing off against a growing VOTING liberal base. I’m afraid we may have reached a tipping point where the democrats will now walk away with all presitdential elections.[/quote]

I know what you are saying but I doubt we are there yet. As I’ve been saying, and some don’t like to hear, If we craft the proper ticket we can win. Think Florida and Ohio, two must win states.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
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It’s not just that, but the GOP appears heavily fragmented. The republicans used to be much more homogeneous, but in more recent times it seems like there are more stakeholders and some old ones with louder voices if not simply more of them. The republican party also lacks leadership. I ask myself, “Who is the voice of the republicans”, and I don’t have a clear answer. Only some maybe’s.

The democrats for a long time have had a very diverse base and for long time had strategies to pull them all together come voting time. There’s are also some clear leaders in the democrat party even if you hate them and/or their message.

At this junction, I can’t see how the republicans can pull the youth vote or the Hispanic vote. So all the democrats need is someone who can get those populations out to vote. If I were Hispanic and I was listening to Trump talk and knew how well he was polling… I would be deeply concerned about the state of the republican party. Perhaps so much as to go to polls simply to prevent him from getting in the white house.

I also don’t know any millennials that would vote for Trump. But that’s just anecdotal. I haven’t seen any polls related to that.

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First of all millennials don’t vote in large numbers. They helped Obama the first time he ran in a big way because they were motivated. Are they motivated to vote for tired old truth dodging Hillary? Nope. Nor, will they turn out in large numbers for old Joe Biden. As for Hispanics Bush won without them. Sometimes it’s not a matter of winning a certain demographic as much as it is not losing it by a lot. One more point, should Cruz or Rubio be on the ticket the republicans will win, or come very close to winning that block anyway.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
It isn’t mentioned enough…but I think that the biggest “surprise”? in all this is Jeb Bush.

With the latest Polls; Bush has fallen to single digits (something like 3%) and is showing no signs of strengthening. Yet he STILL remains the one with the largest “War Chest”.

It should be interesting to see if eventually all this Super PAC money will win out…or whether or not it will not be enough.

Thoughts?

Mufasa

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He won’t drop out until the very end, or close to it. When you have 117+ million invested in you dropping out early is not an option. But I do think Trump has seriously damaged him, which is a good thing in my view. The dumbest thing the republicans could do is put Jeb Bush up as the nominee. I don’t think this can happen without an amazing resurrection. So, I’m pretty happy about that.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
If I were Hispanic and I was listening to Trump talk and knew how well he was polling… I would be deeply concerned about the state of the republican party.

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I know Hispanics that are more in favor of deportation than any white people I’ve discussed it with.

Something about jumping through the hoops and doing ti the right way makes amnesty rub you the wrong way… You know what I’m saying?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
If I were Hispanic and I was listening to Trump talk and knew how well he was polling… I would be deeply concerned about the state of the republican party.

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I know Hispanics that are more in favor of deportation than any white people I’ve discussed it with.

Something about jumping through the hoops and doing ti the right way makes amnesty rub you the wrong way… You know what I’m saying?[/quote]

Trump used the one issue that most people can agree on, and when the media scolds thought he was one and done because he did the unthinkable, he got even more popular.

He is no dummy, he looked at the polls and surveys, so far is campaign has been masterfully executed.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Trump used the one issue that most people can agree on, and when the media scolds thought he was one and done because he did the unthinkable, he got even more popular.

He is no dummy, he looked at the polls and surveys, so far is campaign has been masterfully executed.

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Hard to argue his campaign hasn’t been going well based off the current polling, but he himself has been far from perfect in my mind. The comments about Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly were outright buffoonish. It seems his supporters have selective memory when defending him. I personally think he is making a mockery of the presidential election because he likes the attention it brings.

With that said, it definitely is entertaining and it should be fun to see Fiorina and Trump faceoff this week. The first debate got a huge audience turnout and I’m just as intrigued for this one.

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[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Trump used the one issue that most people can agree on, and when the media scolds thought he was one and done because he did the unthinkable, he got even more popular.

He is no dummy, he looked at the polls and surveys, so far is campaign has been masterfully executed.

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Hard to argue his campaign hasn’t been going well based off the current polling, but he himself has been far from perfect in my mind. The comments about Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly were outright buffoonish. It seems his supporters have selective memory when defending him. I personally think he is making a mockery of the presidential election because he likes the attention it brings.

With that said, it definitely is entertaining and it should be fun to see Fiorina and Trump faceoff this week. The first debate got a huge audience turnout and I’m just as intrigued for this one.

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The rise of Trump has disappointed me to the point of disgust with a large portion of the Republican party. The shear ignorance their is staggering. I was naïve enough to believe that the Obama plan (heavy on the feels, low on substance, appeal to the lowest common denominator) wouldn’t work with a more professional base, but it appears as though we have an equal number of uneducated fools on this side as well.

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[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Trump used the one issue that most people can agree on, and when the media scolds thought he was one and done because he did the unthinkable, he got even more popular.

He is no dummy, he looked at the polls and surveys, so far is campaign has been masterfully executed.

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Hard to argue his campaign hasn’t been going well based off the current polling, but he himself has been far from perfect in my mind. The comments about Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly were outright buffoonish. It seems his supporters have selective memory when defending him. I personally think he is making a mockery of the presidential election because he likes the attention it brings.

With that said, it definitely is entertaining and it should be fun to see Fiorina and Trump faceoff this week. The first debate got a huge audience turnout and I’m just as intrigued for this one.

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Yup

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I’ll give him credit for trying.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’ll give him credit for trying.

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lol. He’s a Socialist. That is anti-liberty by definition. You literally can’t be a Socialist and believe in freedom. They are mutually exclusive thought processes.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’ll give him credit for trying.

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lol. He’s a Socialist. That is anti-liberty by definition. You literally can’t be a Socialist and believe in freedom. They are mutually exclusive thought processes.
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Mmmh, at least he’s trying to reach across the aisle. I disagree with most of what he says, but I can respect the effort.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’ll give him credit for trying.

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lol. He’s a Socialist. That is anti-liberty by definition. You literally can’t be a Socialist and believe in freedom. They are mutually exclusive thought processes.
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Mmmh, at least he’s trying to reach across the aisle. I disagree with most of what he says, but I can respect the effort. [/quote]

He’s a socialist. I respect nothing about him. His goal is to take away any freedom my children have left.

He can take all this bullshit “reach across the aisle” snake in the grass bullshit and shove it straight up his old white ass.

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[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Trump used the one issue that most people can agree on, and when the media scolds thought he was one and done because he did the unthinkable, he got even more popular.

He is no dummy, he looked at the polls and surveys, so far is campaign has been masterfully executed.

[/quote]

Hard to argue his campaign hasn’t been going well based off the current polling, but he himself has been far from perfect in my mind. The comments about Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly were outright buffoonish. It seems his supporters have selective memory when defending him. I personally think he is making a mockery of the presidential election because he likes the attention it brings.

With that said, it definitely is entertaining and it should be fun to see Fiorina and Trump faceoff this week. The first debate got a huge audience turnout and I’m just as intrigued for this one.

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His comments about Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly are not hurting him with women. He is also doing better among Blacks than Republicans usually do, and favored among Hispanic Republicans. It seems people don’t care about his antics, because people want jobs more than anything else.

The true mockery of the presidential election took place when the electorate put the largest economic engine humanity has ever seen in the hands of a man who never ran something as simple as a lemonade stand, all because he spoke purdy and wanted to make history.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Trump used the one issue that most people can agree on, and when the media scolds thought he was one and done because he did the unthinkable, he got even more popular.

He is no dummy, he looked at the polls and surveys, so far is campaign has been masterfully executed.

[/quote]

Hard to argue his campaign hasn’t been going well based off the current polling, but he himself has been far from perfect in my mind. The comments about Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly were outright buffoonish. It seems his supporters have selective memory when defending him. I personally think he is making a mockery of the presidential election because he likes the attention it brings.

With that said, it definitely is entertaining and it should be fun to see Fiorina and Trump faceoff this week. The first debate got a huge audience turnout and I’m just as intrigued for this one.

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His comments about Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly are not hurting him with women. He is also doing better among Blacks than Republicans usually do, and favored among Hispanic Republicans. It seems people don’t care about his antics, because people want jobs more than anything else.

The true mockery of the presidential election took place when the electorate put the largest economic engine humanity has ever seen in the hands of a man who never ran something as simple as a lemonade stand, all because he spoke purdy and wanted to make history.
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100% agree on your last comment, experience matters and I don’t want to repeat what happened in 08. I agree it was a mockery and the low information voter won, but I feel like the same thing is happening on the right. I believe governors are the best candidates. Trump does not have experience governing and I think it is a stretch to assume he would hit the ground running if he got elected.

From what I’ve heard of Trump supporters, jobs are rarely brought up. Could you elaborate? I usually hear vague ideas that he “knows how to get things done” and “says what he wants” but have not heard anything of solid substance about how he would be better than other republican candidates related to jobs. His past history of flip flopping on ideas gives me no faith in trusting him to do the best thing for the country. I can only trust him to do the best thing for the Donald.

If it was between him and HRC or Bernie I would close my eyes and go Trump, but would MUCH rather vote Kasich, Rubio, Walker, or Fiorina.