The Next President of the United States: II

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Any of you guys seen this site

Basically shows that most Republican representatives fail when it comes to voting conservative.[/quote]

But democrats fail even worse.[/quote]

Serious question that popped in my head in connection another thread: if the USA went to war with, say, China, and to pay for it, there was a bill to raise taxes - how would “scorers” of “conservative” legislators treat GOP legislators voting for the tax raise?

Make it interesting - said bill is introduced by a Democrat.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Any of you guys seen this site

Basically shows that most Republican representatives fail when it comes to voting conservative.[/quote]

But democrats fail even worse.[/quote]

Serious question that popped in my head in connection another thread: if the USA went to war with, say, China, and to pay for it, there was a bill to raise taxes - how would “scorers” of “conservative” legislators treat GOP legislators voting for the tax raise?

Make it interesting - said bill is introduced by a Democrat.
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Ahhh…you’ve introduced a hypothetical based on the implicit assumption that the ONLY way to pay for a war is with increased taxation…hmmm…[/quote]

Er, no, there’s no such assumption. Clearly the USA could borrow the money to pay for the war.

The question is, if a conservative legislator votes to raise taxes to pay for a war, does he get scored “up” or “down” on his conservative bona fides and fidelity?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
When these “serious questions pop into (your) head” maybe you’d do well to think outside the box.[/quote]

Thanks. This wasn’t particularly useful at all, but you certainly deserve a participation ribbon.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
When these “serious questions pop into (your) head” maybe you’d do well to think outside the box.[/quote]

Thanks. This wasn’t particularly useful at all, but you certainly deserve a participation ribbon.[/quote]

It wasn’t useful to you and that’s the problem.[/quote]

No, it isn’t useful because there is nothing to “think outside the box” about, since no one is trapped into thinking there’s only one way to pay for war. It’s irrelevant.

So, the question is when concocting the scorecard, do conservative legislators who vote to raise taxes to pay for war get score “up” or “down”?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
When these “serious questions pop into (your) head” maybe you’d do well to think outside the box.[/quote]

Thanks. This wasn’t particularly useful at all, but you certainly deserve a participation ribbon.[/quote]

It wasn’t useful to you and that’s the problem.[/quote]

No, it isn’t useful because there is nothing to “think outside the box” about, since no one is trapped into thinking there’s only one way to pay for war. It’s irrelevant.

So, the question is when concocting the scorecard, do conservative legislators who vote to raise taxes to pay for war get score “up” or “down”?[/quote]

I’d have to say that outside-the-box thinking would lead us to speculate that conservative legislators might very well look at cutting government programs to pay for war and thus earn an “up.”[/quote]

Yeah, that doesn’t answer the question. These scoring organizations score votes taken, so if a conservative legislator votes to raise taxes to pay for a war, up or down on their conservative bona fides?

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[quote] pushharder wrote:

I know that was your question and you know I know that was your question… [/quote]

Thanks for clarifying - as a result, I am not interested in your opinion. Thanks.

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I’ll bump this topic over to a new thread to avoid further thread derailment.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
ZEB wrote:

Job Creation: Getting Americans Back to Work
Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Tax Relief to Grow the Economy and Create Jobs
American Competitiveness in a Global Economy
Reining in Out-of-Control Spending, Balancing the Budget, and Ensuring Sound Monetary Policy
Balancing the Budget
Inflation and the Federal Reserve
Ending the Housing Crisis and Expanding Opportunities for Homeownership
Rebuilding Homeownership
Infrastructure: Building the Future
More American Jobs, Higher Wages, and A Better Standard of Living
Supporting our foreign friends like Israel
anti abortion

There are other things.

Basically doing the opposite of what Obummer has been doing.

Granted they are not always successful and that’s where the cry “they’re all the same” comes from. But in reality the two parties are in fact very different. But various circumstances play out to where occasionally they look very much alike. For example, when a good republican President has to deal with the House and Senate being controlled by democrats. There are other circumstances as well. But rest assured the two parties are very much different almost polar opposites on most things.

Was the continuation of the Bush tax cuts an opposite policy?[/quote]

I want you to sit down for this one because it’s going to be a real shocker.
Ready? Obama raised taxes! I know this so very painfully well. So yeah he is doing the opposite of what he’s supposed to do.

Ha ha I always like it when folks say that one. How freakin silly.

Yes, I agree under Obama (and others) the US govt has spiraled out of control.

Again, Obummer raised taxes on the very folks who are responsible for creating jobs. Every time a small business person pays an extra 100-k (or more) in taxes that money is no longer there to give raises to their employees, or to hire more people.

It’s not a difficult concept to understand if you would let go of your core socialist beliefs that the only way someone gets ahead is if money is stolen from someone who earned it.

You probably took psychology 101 right? Remember this part: When a behavior is rewarded it is often repeated. Well, that means that when we pay someone for doing nothing guess what? Yeah…no incentive to find a job, or start a business. Why should he the Government is taking care of him. Then what happens to the economy?

You see this stuff isn’t rocket science. It’s more like the A B C’s. But, sadly some people still don’t get it. And those people are filled with crazy thoughts handed to them by the left who are pandering for votes.

We have one of the highest corporate tax systems in the world. But…you knew that didn’t you? Sure you did.

Tis not I who needs to awaken to the realities of our economic structure. You seem to hate capitalism. I could guess why but it only be a guess.

Anyway, it must be frustrating to get out of bed each morning knowing in your heart of hearts that no matter how much you rant and rave…capitalism isn’t going anywhere. Obummer’s term will soon be up and the assault on those who succeed in this country will be over. We will have a new republican President and if he, or she, is a good republican President will start to unwind the terrible mess created by Obama, certainly our worst modern day President.

Granted, it will take some time to unwind both the foreign and domestic mess that Obama created but I’m an optimist and I believe it can be done…if the right republican man or woman is elected.

I will give you something for free:So, smile you have the same opportunity that anyone else does in this great country of ours (I’m full of patriotism today for some reason:).

(Only) 4 of Zeb’s rules for success (there are more):

  1. Try to look at things with positive expectations (I’ve noticed through the years that the farther someone is to the left the more negative that they are. Not always but usually).

  2. Work not only hard, but smart as well

  3. Create a positive goal for yourself and not just career wise but in ever part of your life.

  4. Create good work, and life habits through discipline (at first). But once achieved a habit is the final stop before success…or defeat depending on what habits you’ve created in your life.

Okay there’s more but my wife is bugging me to get off the computer and get back to our barbecue.

And happy 4th of July! And smile if you are living in the United States of America you are living in the greatest country on earth (in fact so great try as he might Obama can’t even ruin it…permanently.)
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Remember this part: When a behavior is rewarded it is often repeated. Does this apply to the banksters? If so, we are in trouble.

So extending the Bush tax cuts are the same as raising them?

Explain why it is funny that no bigwigs from the big banks were prosecuted for almost bringing down the economy?

And furthermore tax cuts do not create jobs. If people do not have discretionary income to spend on products and services why would anyone open a business if they can’t sell anything?

So, smile you have the same opportunity that anyone else does in this great country of ours (I’m full of patriotism today for some reason:). More American mythology.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Remember this part: When a behavior is rewarded it is often repeated. Does this apply to the banksters? If so, we are in trouble.[/quote]

Dodd/Frank did more to hurt the economy.

You better educate yourself:

If tax cuts are bad then your hero should have eliminated them right?

Dodd/Frank again read above.

Now you tell me!

You should have said something in 1980 when Reagan cut taxes for everyone and the economy created about 20 million new jobs.

Here’s how it works. Those who add to the job market get their taxes cut. They then add to the economy by creating new jobs. Those new jobs go to people who then use their new found income to purchase goods and services from other businesses.

Now if you don’t think that’s the way it works please tell me your interpretation of how it goes. If there is less money available to business people there will be less jobs --simple stuff.

Not at all- America is still the greatest country in the world even after 6 1/2 years of Obama making one bad decision after another. We are so strong we have (so far) withstood the pounding of the Muslim and Chief. Oh sorry I don’t know that he’s a Muslim it’s just that after trying to harm Israel and give Iran the bomb, and not using the full force of our military to stop ISIS one does wonder.

Go read some American history of this great country…go on…

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I do not like O’Malley at all, but come the fuck on…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I do not like O’Malley at all, but come the fuck on…

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We live in very strange times all brought to us by the far left.