[quote]Rob-jitsu wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
I know its been touched on already,but I believe we will be seeing Judo being used more often and effectively in MMA. Foot sweeps and trips come to mind also…which are an aspect of Judo.
Hell yeah. Karo Parisyan baby!
Been seein’ a few more judo head throws since he came along!
Did you catch the foot sweeps Machida does in a lot of his fights? Mainly just to throw the guy off balance for a strike, but sometimes they actually fall down from them.
Yeah…I’ve seen that from Machida. Its ironic to me that he caught Sokoujou…a good judoka…with the sweep. I think Thiago Alves caught Karo with a foot sweep before that big knee.
I love watching Yoshihiro Akiyama who has good judo…and has developed good striking to match(side note…he has been in talks about going to UFC).
Watch WEC:Carlos Condit vs. Hiromitsu Miura.
Miura threw his ass all over the mat. He lost…but his throws and sweeps were awesome. I love that shit!
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Oh come on we are talking professionals here not weekend warriors. If somebody is in the prime of their youth and has 10-15 years of quality training/competing there is no way you are going to beat them with just a year or two of experience and starting out at an older age.
Now Randy did well because of his years of wrestling and it is second nature to him. Don’t you think 10-15 years of MMA would make it 2nd nature to you? I doubt even a super freak can neutralize that kind of experience and age discrepancy on a regular greater than 3 out of 10 basis.[/quote]
I disagree. MMA is a sport in which accumulated knowledge is worth its weight in gold. You will never see a 40 year old track star, or even a 40 year old running back. However, you do see a nearly 40 year old Brett Favre still making a run at being a top QB. Reason? QBs are measured as much, if not more, by their savvy and cunning than by their physical attributes.
I think MMA is the same in many ways. Much more at least than most other sports.
I think part of the future of MMA will be the evolution of it’s striking. Right now fighters are still figuring out what works best and using techniques from other disiciplines that may not “flow” with the other aspects of MMA. I think eventually MMA fighters will develop their own unique stand-up style that will be even more distinct from kickboxing and boxing.
[quote]Corrosion wrote:
I think part of the future of MMA will be the evolution of it’s striking. Right now fighters are still figuring out what works best and using techniques from other disiciplines that may not “flow” with the other aspects of MMA. I think eventually MMA fighters will develop their own unique stand-up style that will be even more distinct from kickboxing and boxing.[/quote]
Hmmm…you know, I actually don’t agree with this at all. TBH a lot of MMA fighters are very sloppy in their striking. There is a lot of swinging style punches (which are not as powerful, nor as hard to counter, or as fast or powerful as straighter line punches) due to a general lack of striking fundamentals, not because swinging style punches are better for MMA.
I also haven’t seen a single strike, or style of striking in MMA that is more effective for MMA than what is taught by good kickboxing/boxing (or even some karate) coaches. Joe Lewis was doing “Superman” punches (or jumping/flying straight rights) long before MMA was around, yet you hear people saying that this strike was invented by MMA fighters.
Striking is about physics and correct body mechanics. The optimal ways of striking have long since been honed and cataloged.
Now defensive movements do change somewhat in MMA due to the smaller gloves. But even then, the most effective methods/movements are still only slight adjustments from what one would use with larger gloves on.
In regards to striking I would like to see someone whose skill level is so high that guys can’t come-up with a game plan for him. A guy who can make adjustments in round, not needing a rigid gameplan. Not dogmatic in that his striking is only Muay Thai and boxing.
Someone who just doesn’t have one pattern of striking. If his jab isn’t working he could drop his left arm and start up-jabbing. Shoulder rolling right hands while countering with right uppercuts inside. Then go back to being aggressive pumping in double jabs.
Not just teeps and low kicks. Axe kicks, sweeps, side-kicks, brazilian kicks, front kicks to the face. He can step back into southpaw and counter with his left. Strike going forward, going back.
[quote]No-Gi wrote:
I think the primary development in MMA specific striking will come in integration of the disciplines. Striking into the takedown, dirty boxing etc…[/quote]
Yes, true. Though people have been doing this for a long time now, and there are current MMA fighters that are very, very good at this (GSP comes to mind).
[quote]otoko wrote:
In regards to striking I would like to see someone whose skill level is so high that guys can’t come-up with a game plan for him. A guy who can make adjustments in round, not needing a rigid gameplan. Not dogmatic in that his striking is only Muay Thai and boxing.
Someone who just doesn’t have one pattern of striking. If his jab isn’t working he could drop his left arm and start up-jabbing. Shoulder rolling right hands while countering with right uppercuts inside. Then go back to being aggressive pumping in double jabs.
Not just teeps and low kicks. Axe kicks, sweeps, side-kicks, brazilian kicks, front kicks to the face. He can step back into southpaw and counter with his left. Strike going forward, going back.
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except for the axe kicks (yet) you just described anderson silva… and lyoto machida to a lesser extent.
lets be honest here the next evolution in MMA striking is called STRAIGHT PUNCHES
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
otoko wrote:
In regards to striking I would like to see someone whose skill level is so high that guys can’t come-up with a game plan for him. A guy who can make adjustments in round, not needing a rigid gameplan. Not dogmatic in that his striking is only Muay Thai and boxing.
Someone who just doesn’t have one pattern of striking. If his jab isn’t working he could drop his left arm and start up-jabbing. Shoulder rolling right hands while countering with right uppercuts inside. Then go back to being aggressive pumping in double jabs.
Not just teeps and low kicks. Axe kicks, sweeps, side-kicks, brazilian kicks, front kicks to the face. He can step back into southpaw and counter with his left. Strike going forward, going back.
except for the axe kicks (yet) you just described anderson silva… and lyoto machida to a lesser extent.
lets be honest here the next evolution in MMA striking is called STRAIGHT PUNCHES[/quote]
[quote]otoko wrote:
In regards to striking I would like to see someone whose skill level is so high that guys can’t come-up with a game plan for him. A guy who can make adjustments in round, not needing a rigid gameplan. Not dogmatic in that his striking is only Muay Thai and boxing.
Someone who just doesn’t have one pattern of striking. If his jab isn’t working he could drop his left arm and start up-jabbing. Shoulder rolling right hands while countering with right uppercuts inside. Then go back to being aggressive pumping in double jabs.
Not just teeps and low kicks. Axe kicks, sweeps, side-kicks, brazilian kicks, front kicks to the face. He can step back into southpaw and counter with his left. Strike going forward, going back.
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The thing is though, that even if someone could switch up styles during a fight, and use different techniques, this still would not mean that you couldn’t use counter strategies to beat them. There is NO fighter alive (or that has ever lived) who’s offense cannot/could not be neutralized and who’s defense cannot/could not be exploited.
Strategy doesn’t only come down to what types of techniques someone throws or what types of defensive movements they use (though those do play some role obviously). There is more to it than that, it’s more about understanding the opponent’s strengths/advantages and then knowing how to neutralize it/them. If you can figure that out it doesn’t matter what techniques they throw/how they defend.
