[quote]espenl wrote:
Should I believe in one, none or all of them? [/quote]
That’s for you to figure out.
Edit: You’re obviously capable of retrieving information.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
I don’t know.[/quote]
Then why put on an act in the post above? You have no belief in good and evil from which to pass judgement. You admit that. So then turning around and acting morally outraged seems extremely dishonest.[/quote]
The real point is there is no evidence for any religion being true. There aren’t even good arguments for god. That’s why it’s still a highly debated philosophical argument. There might be a god, but the arguments are all lacking. The arguments for any one religion are in incomparably worse shape.
If no religion is true, maybe that means there is no good and evil. Maybe no religion is true but there is still good and evil. We don’t know. I don’t particularly like the idea that pure material is all there is, but it may be true. Faith doesn’t get us anywhere because there is no reason to think one’s faith is any better than another’s.
Where does that leave us? We’re all still here, living this life for whatever purpose, possibly none. Yet all but clinical psychopaths seem to care about morality. What do we do about it?[/quote]
In fact, you took an agnostic position here. You left open the possibility of God. Therefore, you must also leave open the possibility faith might indeed get you somewhere.[/quote]
If there is a god, how does that suggest faith would get me anywhere?
I’m an agnostic atheist. Otherwise known as a weak atheist. The strong atheist is the one who asserts there is no god.
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I don’t understand the question…
I’m not saying non-faith will…
Your original statement was about having faith.
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How does leaving open the possibility of god mean I leave open the possibility of faith getting me anywhere?[/quote]
If you admit that God is even a possibility (which you did), then it follows that faith in God might also get you somewhere…
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I don’t see how that follows.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
…the Bible…I understand it as well as you do…
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How insightful.
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
I don’t know.[/quote]
Then why put on an act in the post above? You have no belief in good and evil from which to pass judgement. You admit that. So then turning around and acting morally outraged seems extremely dishonest.[/quote]
The real point is there is no evidence for any religion being true. There aren’t even good arguments for god. That’s why it’s still a highly debated philosophical argument. There might be a god, but the arguments are all lacking. The arguments for any one religion are in incomparably worse shape.
If no religion is true, maybe that means there is no good and evil. Maybe no religion is true but there is still good and evil. We don’t know. I don’t particularly like the idea that pure material is all there is, but it may be true. Faith doesn’t get us anywhere because there is no reason to think one’s faith is any better than another’s.
Where does that leave us? We’re all still here, living this life for whatever purpose, possibly none. Yet all but clinical psychopaths seem to care about morality. What do we do about it?[/quote]
In fact, you took an agnostic position here. You left open the possibility of God. Therefore, you must also leave open the possibility faith might indeed get you somewhere.[/quote]
If there is a god, how does that suggest faith would get me anywhere?
I’m an agnostic atheist. Otherwise known as a weak atheist. The strong atheist is the one who asserts there is no god.
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I don’t understand the question…
I’m not saying non-faith will…
Your original statement was about having faith.
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How does leaving open the possibility of god mean I leave open the possibility of faith getting me anywhere?[/quote]
If you admit that God is even a possibility (which you did), then it follows that faith in God might also get you somewhere…
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I don’t see how that follows.
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Ok.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]darsemnos wrote:
…the Bible…I understand it as well as you do…
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How insightful.[/quote]
Over the decade I’ve been on PWI we’ve all heard the following ad nauseum:
“I used to be a Christian…then I realized…there is no God…it’s a book of fables…myths…I’ve read it many times…how do you know which one of the zillions of religions…what makes Christianity better than Rastafarianistic Buddism…how could a loving God send people to hell…the Old Testament is full of acts of an evil God…blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah…”
It’s the same ol’ song and dance.
It’s been getting refuted for hundreds even thousands of years yet the scoffers never cease to trudge onward…like maddened zombies. They keep on a-comin.’ Crazy-eyed and insatiable.
Insightful alright. Insightful for sure. And tiresome.[/quote]
It has never been refuted. Not even close.
Oh, and I never realized there is no god.
That zombie image is fitting, since so many people apparently rised from the dead about 2000 years ago, at least according to your book.
Matthew 27.
[quote]espenl wrote:
That zombie image is fitting, since so many people apparently rised from the dead about 2000 years ago, at least according to your book.[/quote]
Don’t be ridiculous they were made from a man’s rib. It’s all VERY believable as long as you believe everything in the old book and don’t scratch your head about the origins of the man made book.
I believe he may be talking about the tombs being opened and people walking around, at the time of Christ’s death. Matt 27 53-54
I think it’s also important to point out that zombiedom is an entirely different state. Be it secret government biological weapon gotten loose or black magic as the source, I would argue that the zombie state is its own category, with distinct features and signs. Moaning. Loss of fine motor-control. Confusion with everyday items and objects; the use of door handles, ladders, vehicles, melee and projectile weapons.
An appetite for human flesh (the brain, particularly). Seemingly complete disregard for even gross injuries (such a multiple amputations) to themselves. In fact, a rather startling natural resistance to death, outside of brain trauma. This weakness–besides cellular death and varying states of decay and rigor–is a tell-tale sign. Did it die from a mortal wound to the heart? If yes, not a zombie. Did it fail to die (again?) from a mortal wound to the brain? If yes, not a zombie.
But that brings up a peculiar weakness of zombies, the Styrofoam-like skull. It would appear that 110 .lb sedentary women are able to shove screwdrivers, and even rather blunt tire irons, through one side of the head and out the other.
Hope this helps.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
“I used to be a Christian…then I realized…there is no God…it’s a book of fables…myths…I’ve read it many times…how do you know which one of the zillions of religions…what makes Christianity better than Rastafarianistic Buddism…how could a loving God send people to hell…the Old Testament is full of acts of an evil God…blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah…”
It’s the same ol’ song and dance.
It’s been getting refuted for hundreds even thousands of years yet the scoffers never cease to trudge onward…
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Some of that is indeed nonsense. Some of it isn’t. Like the question of the Bible’s miraculous claims as being more credible than the miraculous claims of any other religious text, or of any given evolutionary biologist or physicist. Not only is this a valid question, it invariably goes unanswered.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
“I used to be a Christian…then I realized…there is no God…it’s a book of fables…myths…I’ve read it many times…how do you know which one of the zillions of religions…what makes Christianity better than Rastafarianistic Buddism…how could a loving God send people to hell…the Old Testament is full of acts of an evil God…blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah…”
It’s the same ol’ song and dance.
It’s been getting refuted for hundreds even thousands of years yet the scoffers never cease to trudge onward…
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Some of that is indeed nonsense. Some of it isn’t. Like the question of the Bible’s miraculous claims as being more credible than the miraculous claims of any other religious text, or of any given evolutionary biologist or physicist. Not only is this a valid question, it invariably goes unanswered.[/quote]
You mean those questions that certain people didn’t have time to attempt to answer because they were going to be way too busy then they proceeded to make tons of new posts and threads? Though they certainly have time to ask you questions, just not to answer any you pose them.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Obisanity wrote:
I believe he may be talking about the tombs being opened and people walking around, at the time of Christ’s death. Matt 27 53-54[/quote]
That’s not the same thing. That’s dead folks being taken directly to heaven not people rising from the dead ala Jesus Christ and Lazarus and walking around on this terrestrial orb.
Distinctions. They’re always important.[/quote]
do you mean Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead and did not drug test him or charge him any money , what is this Jesus a Socialist ???
Now that is trolling 