The Muslim Brotherhood Project pts 1 and 2

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:
Gallup study showing 94% of Muslims in the world are against violent jihad
http://www.gallup.com/press/104209/who-speaks-islam-what-billion-muslims-really-think.aspx
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What is 6% of 1.57 billion?

What are comparable figures for the other major religions of the world?[/quote]

I’ve shown you plenty of data that shows that a very small % of Muslims are violent, a very small % of the terrorism that occurs is caused by Muslims, Muslims help stop the radicals, Muslims speak out against acts of terrorism, and a small but highly vocal group of loons spread all the Islamaphobic information and are laughing their way to the bank with your money.

Find someone else to play with and peace be with you.

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And a small, but very wealthy % of Muslims finance terror worldwide. A very small, but influencial % of CAIR support and help finance terrorism. A very large % of Muslims worldwide sit by and do nothing. Until that changes they will all be publically judged through the same filter.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:

In fact, they openly and constantly say that it is prohibited in Islam. [/quote]

Well, not to throw another log on the fire, but it is acceptable to lie to unbelievers’ faces according to numerous Islamic scholarly instruction. So, I take them saying that with a grain of salt. Let’s also consider the fact that a similar tactic–lying to unbelievers in order to throw them off-- has been used numerous times in the past by devout muslims in positions of leadership in the Mid East. The actions of President Sadat leading to the Yom Kippur war come to mind–in that case, it was swearing violence “within the year” and letting the timeline pass, giving furloughs to many officers and generally giving an appearance of winding down, then attempting to attack by surprise in '73. There are others as well.

Deception of the unbeliever is a well established use of lying in Islam.[/quote]

I would like to seen a reply to this post.

Islam is a religion that preaches the elimination of all unbelievers…period.

How can it be a peaceful religion when Imam’s preach death to all unbelievers whilst quoting the Koran to back it up?

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
For those who wish to know exactly how CAIR and others are orchestrating their takeover of USA.
100 years plan.

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[quote]zahmad wrote:
doesn’t mention CAIR in either part[/quote]

Something confusing about that?[/quote]

CAIR is linked to Hamas, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. They (CAIR) were unindicted co- conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation trial several years ago.
Excuse delay in replying, I’ve been offline for awhile.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:

In fact, they openly and constantly say that it is prohibited in Islam. [/quote]

Well, not to throw another log on the fire, but it is acceptable to lie to unbelievers’ faces according to numerous Islamic scholarly instruction. So, I take them saying that with a grain of salt. Let’s also consider the fact that a similar tactic–lying to unbelievers in order to throw them off-- has been used numerous times in the past by devout muslims in positions of leadership in the Mid East. The actions of President Sadat leading to the Yom Kippur war come to mind–in that case, it was swearing violence “within the year” and letting the timeline pass, giving furloughs to many officers and generally giving an appearance of winding down, then attempting to attack by surprise in '73. There are others as well.

Deception of the unbeliever is a well established use of lying in Islam.[/quote]

I would like to seen a reply to this post.

Islam is a religion that preaches the elimination of all unbelievers…period.
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How can it be a peaceful religion when Imam’s preach death to all unbelievers whilst quoting the Koran to back it up?[/quote]

The “peace” of Islam is the peace a control freak achieves when he knows that he controls all those who are under his control. Thus an Islamic peace results when nonMuslims are under the fujll control of Islam, as dhimmis, dead or converted to Islam. As long as Islam rules the world and its inhabitants the struggle for conquest is over and the world is “peaceful.”
It’s the same kind of peace that people achieve when they are trapped in the snow and they get the urge to fall asleep - for ever.

IT’s the ultimate peace of sumbission and subjugation, the peace of abandoning the struggle to live free and that of ultimate surrender to the ultimate dictatorship. In Islam, though, you have to relinquish your very self.

LIke Winston Smith in the last chapter of Big Brother - when he “loved” Big Brother.

[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
For those who wish to know exactly how CAIR and others are orchestrating their takeover of USA.
100 years plan.

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[quote]zahmad wrote:
doesn’t mention CAIR in either part[/quote]

Something confusing about that?[/quote]

CAIR is linked to Hamas, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. They (CAIR) were unindicted co- conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation trial several years ago.
Excuse delay in replying, I’ve been offline for awhile.[/quote]

In a March 14, 2007 New York Times article, Michael Rolince, a retired F.B.I. official who directed counterterrorism in the Washington field office from 2002 to 2005, said, “Of all the groups, there is probably more suspicion about CAIR, but when you ask people for cold hard facts, you get blank stares.”

The article also reported, “Government officials in Washington said they were not aware of any criminal investigation of the group. More than one described the standards used by critics to link CAIR to terrorism as akin to McCarthyism, essentially guilt by association.”

In August 2007 Newsweek reported, “According to one senior law-enforcement official (who asked not to be named talking about an ongoing case), the listing of ISNA, CAIR and other groups as ‘unindicted co-conspirators’ was largely a tactical move by the government.” (Newsweek, 8/08/2007)

A June 2008 ACLU press release also reports, “The prosecutor also acknowledged that the public labeling was simply a ‘legal tactic’ intended to allow the government to introduce hearsay evidence against HLF later at trial.”

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
For those who wish to know exactly how CAIR and others are orchestrating their takeover of USA.
100 years plan.

[/quote]

[quote]zahmad wrote:
doesn’t mention CAIR in either part[/quote]

Something confusing about that?[/quote]

CAIR is linked to Hamas, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. They (CAIR) were unindicted co- conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation trial several years ago.
Excuse delay in replying, I’ve been offline for awhile.[/quote]

In a March 14, 2007 New York Times article, Michael Rolince, a retired F.B.I. official who directed counterterrorism in the Washington field office from 2002 to 2005, said, “Of all the groups, there is probably more suspicion about CAIR, but when you ask people for cold hard facts, you get blank stares.”

The article also reported, “Government officials in Washington said they were not aware of any criminal investigation of the group. More than one described the standards used by critics to link CAIR to terrorism as akin to McCarthyism, essentially guilt by association.”

In August 2007 Newsweek reported, “According to one senior law-enforcement official (who asked not to be named talking about an ongoing case), the listing of ISNA, CAIR and other groups as ‘unindicted co-conspirators’ was largely a tactical move by the government.” (Newsweek, 8/08/2007)

A June 2008 ACLU press release also reports, “The prosecutor also acknowledged that the public labeling was simply a ‘legal tactic’ intended to allow the government to introduce hearsay evidence against HLF later at trial.”

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And still you refuse to address the high ranking CAIR members who have been CONVICTED of supporting terrorism.

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

And still you refuse to address the high ranking CAIR members who have been CONVICTED of supporting terrorism. [/quote]

As I said before, many have been addressed in the pdf i linked to.

ISMAIL ROYER
In January 2004, Royer pled guilty to weapons charges. He did not plead guilty to any charge of “terrorism.” Any criminal action to which he pleaded guilty was done when Royer was no longer employed with CAIR and it was certainly not at CAIR’s direction.
BASSEM EL-KHAFAGI
El-Khafagi was never an employee of CAIR and was never convicted on terrorism charges. According to the Associated Press (AP) article announcing his plea, federal officials stated that he was charged with writing bad checks in February and June of 2001. El-Khafagi was an independent contractor for CAIR, effective November 2, 2001. The actions of which he was accused occurred before any relationship with CAIR had commenced and without any knowledge by CAIR’s of any wrongdoing on his part. Writing bad checks is a criminal offense, not terrorism. Surely if there had been strong evidence of terrorist activities, the Justice Department would have vigorously pursued those avenues and not allowed him to plead guilty to non-terrorism related charges.

RABIH HADDAD
Haddad was never an employee of CAIR, was â??deported for overstaying his tourist visaâ?? and was “never charged with a crime.” He was never an employee or associate of CAIR. His only association with CAIR was as a speaker at a single CAIR chapter event. He was not a “CAIR fundraiser,” as is sometimes claimed.
GHASSAN ELASHI
Elashi was never an employee or officer of CAIR. The fact that Elashi was once briefly associated with one of our more than 30 regional chapters has no legal significance to our corporation since any actions he took were outside the scope and chronology of his association with one of our chapters.

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

And still you refuse to address the high ranking CAIR members who have been CONVICTED of supporting terrorism. [/quote]

As I said before, many have been addressed in the pdf i linked to.

ISMAIL ROYER
In January 2004, Royer pled guilty to weapons charges. He did not plead guilty to any charge of “terrorism.” Any criminal action to which he pleaded guilty was done when Royer was no longer employed with CAIR and it was certainly not at CAIR’s direction.[/quote]

Royer and his 10 codefendants are alleged to have:

  • Supported Lashkar-i-Taiba by actions to “provide for, prepare a means for, and take part in” terrorist adventures in Kashmir, as well as in Chechnya, the Philippines, and elsewhere.

  • Carried out acts “[w]ithin the United States, to unlawfully, knowingly, and intentionally enlist and engage with intent to serve in armed hostility against the United States.”

  • Used false passports, as well as pursuing activities to “transport and receive firearms and ammunition in interstate commerce with reason to believe that such firearms and ammunition would be used to commit a felony.”

These charges are contained in 41 counts and 71 evidentiary items of information, comprising extensive arms acquisition, military training, and recruitment operations, continuing through travel to and violent acts and training in Kashmir, and including clandestine propaganda for terrorism in Kashmir and terrorist training in Bosnia-Hercegovina, among other illegal activities.

He plea bargained down to the weapons charge. Actually he, commited these acts before he became a member of CAIR, becase apparently, that’s the sort of people they attract.

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BASSEM EL-KHAFAGI
El-Khafagi was never an employee of CAIR and was never convicted on terrorism charges. According to the Associated Press (AP) article announcing his plea, federal officials stated that he was charged with writing bad checks in February and June of 2001. El-Khafagi was an independent contractor for CAIR, effective November 2, 2001. The actions of which he was accused occurred before any relationship with CAIR had commenced and without any knowledge by CAIR’s of any wrongdoing on his part. Writing bad checks is a criminal offense, not terrorism. Surely if there had been strong evidence of terrorist activities, the Justice Department would have vigorously pursued those avenues and not allowed him to plead guilty to non-terrorism related charges.[/quote]
At the time of his arrest, Khafagi was a community affairs director of CAIR, so I guess that’d be an employee now wouldn’t it? He was charged with funneling money to promote terrorist activities through the Islamic Assembly of North America (IANA), of which he was a founding member, but plea bargained down to bank fraud.

You do realize that Al Capone was only ever convicted of tax evasion? Do yo uhonestly expect us to belive that’s all he was guilty of?

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RABIH HADDAD
Haddad was never an employee of CAIR, was â??deported for overstaying his tourist visaâ?? and was “never charged with a crime.” He was never an employee or associate of CAIR. His only association with CAIR was as a speaker at a single CAIR chapter event. He was not a “CAIR fundraiser,” as is sometimes claimed.
GHASSAN ELASHI
Elashi was never an employee or officer of CAIR. The fact that Elashi was once briefly associated with one of our more than 30 regional chapters has no legal significance to our corporation since any actions he took were outside the scope and chronology of his association with one of our chapters.[/quote]
He wasn’t just associated with it, he was a board member of the Texas chapter. Again, not some random volunteer, a freaking board member.

you still refuse to address Ali Al-Timimi, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, Siraj Wahhaj, or Aldurahman M. Alamoudi of the AMC and AMF, or Nihad Awad & Mohammad Nimer’s vocal support for both Hamas and the PLO.

Still doesn’t prove that CAIR the organization has done anything wrong or that any of those people who allegedly did things wrong did them via CAIR. That is still guilty by association.

[quote]zahmad wrote:
Still doesn’t prove that CAIR the organization has done anything wrong or that any of those people who allegedly did things wrong did them via CAIR. That is still guilty by association.[/quote]

Yeah, other than Hitler and Goebbels, the Nazi’s were good folks…

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:
Still doesn’t prove that CAIR the organization has done anything wrong or that any of those people who allegedly did things wrong did them via CAIR. That is still guilty by association.[/quote]

Yeah, other than Hitler and Goebbels, the Nazi’s were good folks…[/quote]

McCarthyism much ?

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:
Still doesn’t prove that CAIR the organization has done anything wrong or that any of those people who allegedly did things wrong did them via CAIR. That is still guilty by association.[/quote]

Yeah, other than Hitler and Goebbels, the Nazi’s were good folks…[/quote]

McCarthyism much ?[/quote]

Ya know, I had something to say…but the stupidity of this comment has left me speechless.

I was speaking of I CAIR in its capacity of a Muslim Bro’hood front group, one oi many in the USA, all of whose ambitrions can be read in the Project, above.

I was speaking of CAIR in its capacity of a Muslim Bro’hood front group, one of many in the USA, all of whose ambitions can be read in the Project, above.

The Western world needs to wake up. Islam is incompatible with freedom.

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

A very large % of Muslims worldwide sit by and do nothing.[/quote]

That’s not fair. A large percentage of them celebrate terrorist attacks, chant ‘Allahu Akbar’, ‘Death to the Jews’, ‘Death to America’ and burn effigies of every President/PM that might lead a country where a newspaper published a cartoon or something.

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Summary please?[/quote]

CAIR = Muslim Brotherhood.

Muslim Brotherhood = Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran/Syria

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

A very large % of Muslims worldwide sit by and do nothing.[/quote]

That’s not fair. A large percentage of them celebrate terrorist attacks, chant ‘Allahu Akbar’, ‘Death to the Jews’, ‘Death to America’ and burn effigies of every President/PM that might lead a country where a newspaper published a cartoon or something.
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LOL So true! And let’s not forget their masterly innovations in PR, mustering hatred for Jews worldwide, coopting any and every organisation for their murderous ends, holding endless conferences on the triumph of Islam and How to Kill Jews, creating violence and intimidation on univeristy campuses worldwide, corrupting textbooks, academia, promoting first-cousin marriage which increases congenital deformites and increases the burden on hospital systems.

A cornucopia of fascistic wonders lurk in this culture.