The More I Work Arms, the More They Shrink

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[quote]juanjromero wrote:
DJS wrote:
juanjromero wrote:

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Well… see that is why you havn’t reached 18 inches yet. You havn’t been eating your whole chickens. The magic is in the beaks.

nope… eeating a whole chicken doules my gut size in 3 weeks… and cutting all that fat, reduces my arm… already tried…[/quote]

Dude, you have a lot to learn, and language barrier or not, your attitude sucks as far as learning how to make the most progress.

Whole chickens double your gut size in 3 weeks? Ok. Cool. Then quit asking for critiques if you can’t take any criticism.

And yes, I am laughing at anyone who claims they want really big muscles but the thought of eating a chicken is simply too much for them to handle.

I see the Olympia in your future.

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[quote]DJS wrote:
juanjromero wrote:

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Well… see that is why you havn’t reached 18 inches yet. You havn’t been eating your whole chickens. The magic is in the beaks. [/quote]

i thin that to reach 18" i should grow up to 190+… i think that would be very taxative on my body to keep… i wish to do it… but time will say…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
DJS wrote:
juanjromero wrote:

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Well… see that is why you havn’t reached 18 inches yet. You havn’t been eating your whole chickens. The magic is in the beaks.

nope… eeating a whole chicken doules my gut size in 3 weeks… and cutting all that fat, reduces my arm… already tried…

Dude, you have a lot to learn, and language barrier or not, your attitude sucks as far as learning how to make the most progress.

Whole chickens double your gut size in 3 weeks? Ok. Cool. Then quit asking for critiques if you can’t take any criticism.

And yes, I am laughing at anyone who claims they want really big muscles but the thought of eating a chicken is simply too much for them to handle.

I see the Olympia in your future.[/quote]

well professor X… is your tipical answer… blablabla… i dot what i want. your answers always are a line on the dust and dare one to cross… go to hell… there is nicer people to share toughts with…

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now, just for the whole chicken friendly people I eat two chickens every day, but just eat half on each meal…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
When talking with Coach Poliquin I learned that the best years of growing are between 32 and 35. So at 40 your growth potential is still there.

I totally agree with that! It always used to puzzle me when scientists say that “after age 30, testosterone levels drop by about 10 percent every decade” because the biggest guys I know are in their 30’s. Although you could argue the fact that they have have more training, it doesn’t explain why people who don’t even train are always bigger/stronger at that age. My brother (there is a large age gap) is in his mid 30’s and is bigger than he was in his 20’s (despite not even training).

That is simple maturity and use of muscle tissue. Men are meant to carry more muscle than women naturally without any weight lifting at all. In fact, the only reason so many men now resemble women is because their activity level is so low it doesn’t even match half of the activity of people living even a century ago.

Your testosterone levels DO begin to drop in your mid-late 30’s and most of the truly big guys that age have been lifting for over a decade at least.

Your muscles take on a different look in your 30’s. You look more solid or “dense”.

Many of the guys I have known who started lifting in their teens or their 20’s state that they seem to hit another spurt in their 30’s. That doesn’t change the fact that if you are just starting to lift over the age of 35, there is no way in hell you should expect the same rate of progress that you would have experienced when you were in your 20’s and early 30’s.[/quote]

you state here, about “look solid or dense”, doesn’t subcutaneous water has something to do with that? my skin is thick… my trainer saids it is thicker than he usually have seen… and i retain water also sweat a lot while excercising… someone knows about? is fat? what it could be?

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[quote]juanjromero wrote:
Professor X wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
DJS wrote:
juanjromero wrote:

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Well… see that is why you havn’t reached 18 inches yet. You havn’t been eating your whole chickens. The magic is in the beaks.

nope… eeating a whole chicken doules my gut size in 3 weeks… and cutting all that fat, reduces my arm… already tried…

Dude, you have a lot to learn, and language barrier or not, your attitude sucks as far as learning how to make the most progress.

Whole chickens double your gut size in 3 weeks? Ok. Cool. Then quit asking for critiques if you can’t take any criticism.

And yes, I am laughing at anyone who claims they want really big muscles but the thought of eating a chicken is simply too much for them to handle.

I see the Olympia in your future.

well professor X… is your tipical answer… blablabla… i dot what i want. your answers always are a line on the dust and dare one to cross… go to hell… there is nicer people to share toughts with…[/quote]

You’re welcome.

También, que está recibiendo tanta resistencia, ya que parece como alguien que cree que lo sabe todo cuando es evidente que no. Yo ni siquiera degradantes su progreso. Puede estar seguro de que muy pocos ahora vendrá en su ayuda tras el día de hoy.

But hey, you do what you want.

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in essence, gordie just screwed the pooch

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[quote]juanjromero wrote:
Curzon wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
~

I don’t think your problem requires re-inventing the wheel: unlike your suggestion, I truly don’t think some unusual personal hormonal problem is to blame, or any really particular-to-the-person problem. Rather, arm training is a well-understood field, there are a lot of solutions out there, and your problem probably boils down to simple things such as mistakenly rejecting good methods on account of next-morning measurement, or otherwise not following known-good practices because of probably-mistakenly thinking that you differ from the great majority in what is needed for arms.

never mind, i just post it to keep my thread updated.

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Wow, you come across as a complete jerk. Is that intentional, or is there something lost in the translation?

translation problem i think… and dissapointed of posting about how someone looks like something and very few that actually helps… sometimes this place is childish…
[/quote]

The problem is, the posts you most often see as childish are the one’s that will actually help you the most if you cut through the sarcasm and get to the true message.

People who have been training much longer than you and have accomplished much more than you are giving you great advice. I think the reason the advice is being presented with a harsher tone now is because it’s been said a million times and you’re still not listening.

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[quote]juanjromero wrote:
DJS wrote:
juanjromero wrote:

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Well… see that is why you havn’t reached 18 inches yet. You havn’t been eating your whole chickens. The magic is in the beaks.

i thin that to reach 18" i should grow up to 190+… i think that would be very taxative on my body to keep… i wish to do it… but time will say…[/quote]

Being shorter and having smaller apendages, I HIGHLY doubt you would have to get to 190 lbs to get 18 inch arms. I’m quite a bit taller than you with much longer arms and walked around with 18+ inch arms when I was 190 lbs.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
Professor X wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
DJS wrote:
juanjromero wrote:

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Well… see that is why you havn’t reached 18 inches yet. You havn’t been eating your whole chickens. The magic is in the beaks.

nope… eeating a whole chicken doules my gut size in 3 weeks… and cutting all that fat, reduces my arm… already tried…

Dude, you have a lot to learn, and language barrier or not, your attitude sucks as far as learning how to make the most progress.

Whole chickens double your gut size in 3 weeks? Ok. Cool. Then quit asking for critiques if you can’t take any criticism.

And yes, I am laughing at anyone who claims they want really big muscles but the thought of eating a chicken is simply too much for them to handle.

I see the Olympia in your future.

well professor X… is your tipical answer… blablabla… i dot what i want. your answers always are a line on the dust and dare one to cross… go to hell… there is nicer people to share toughts with…

You’re welcome.

También, que está recibiendo tanta resistencia, ya que parece como alguien que cree que lo sabe todo cuando es evidente que no. Yo ni siquiera degradantes su progreso. Puede estar seguro de que muy pocos ahora vendrá en su ayuda tras el día de hoy.

But hey, you do what you want.[/quote]

lol… your spanish is crappier than my english… lol…

no man, no hard feelings… it is just always the same… some shitting first, and then speak of what is worth… i have no that time… i am too old already.

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really?.. nice… that places the bar a little better…so, is achievable… but take in consideration i am a newbie… and probably you has been longer than me on this… so your body is way better “cofigured” to grow. mine is still learning i think… myself… i am learning… what about my thick skin? have any idea? i reduce water and fat but always my skin is thick.

[i just read your profile… you have 11 years training, that is a lot of time for me… 5x]

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[quote]Vanilla-Gorilla wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
Curzon wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
~

I don’t think your problem requires re-inventing the wheel: unlike your suggestion, I truly don’t think some unusual personal hormonal problem is to blame, or any really particular-to-the-person problem. Rather, arm training is a well-understood field, there are a lot of solutions out there, and your problem probably boils down to simple things such as mistakenly rejecting good methods on account of next-morning measurement, or otherwise not following known-good practices because of probably-mistakenly thinking that you differ from the great majority in what is needed for arms.

never mind, i just post it to keep my thread updated.

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Wow, you come across as a complete jerk. Is that intentional, or is there something lost in the translation?

translation problem i think… and dissapointed of posting about how someone looks like something and very few that actually helps… sometimes this place is childish…

The problem is, the posts you most often see as childish are the one’s that will actually help you the most if you cut through the sarcasm and get to the true message.

People who have been training much longer than you and have accomplished much more than you are giving you great advice. I think the reason the advice is being presented with a harsher tone now is because it’s been said a million times and you’re still not listening.[/quote]

lol… i am coming to update this thread and say: “look, your advice did work!!!..”

i was not asking anymore… i am progressing, but it was not a matter of going to the gym one morning and next week i had the arm… i had to learn the form and techniques stated here… and once i learned, progress came…

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[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
DJS wrote:
juanjromero wrote:

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Well… see that is why you havn’t reached 18 inches yet. You havn’t been eating your whole chickens. The magic is in the beaks.

i thin that to reach 18" i should grow up to 190+… i think that would be very taxative on my body to keep… i wish to do it… but time will say…

Being shorter and having smaller apendages, I HIGHLY doubt you would have to get to 190 lbs to get 18 inch arms. I’m quite a bit taller than you with much longer arms and walked around with 18+ inch arms when I was 190 lbs.[/quote]

man, i did see a pic of your meal on your profile… is that what you eat in a meal???.. wow, incredible… that is half what i eat and i have a hard, hard time growing…

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[quote]juanjromero wrote:
Vanilla-Gorilla wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
Curzon wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
~

I don’t think your problem requires re-inventing the wheel: unlike your suggestion, I truly don’t think some unusual personal hormonal problem is to blame, or any really particular-to-the-person problem. Rather, arm training is a well-understood field, there are a lot of solutions out there, and your problem probably boils down to simple things such as mistakenly rejecting good methods on account of next-morning measurement, or otherwise not following known-good practices because of probably-mistakenly thinking that you differ from the great majority in what is needed for arms.

never mind, i just post it to keep my thread updated.

,despite all the knowledge and crap on this site… i am 16",1/2 on my arm now. (3"1/2 more than before.) and i did not have to eat a whole chicken to do it. and roids neither.

Wow, you come across as a complete jerk. Is that intentional, or is there something lost in the translation?

translation problem i think… and dissapointed of posting about how someone looks like something and very few that actually helps… sometimes this place is childish…

The problem is, the posts you most often see as childish are the one’s that will actually help you the most if you cut through the sarcasm and get to the true message.

People who have been training much longer than you and have accomplished much more than you are giving you great advice. I think the reason the advice is being presented with a harsher tone now is because it’s been said a million times and you’re still not listening.

lol… i am coming to update this thread and say: “look, your advice did work!!!..”

i was not asking anymore… i am progressing, but it was not a matter of going to the gym one morning and next week i had the arm… i had to learn the form and techniques stated here… and once i learned, progress came…
[/quote]

Ok then…who’s being childish?

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Hey Juan,

I just read through the entire thread. It was a great read, and your persistence is admirable. I like the “stick to the plan” mentality.

Anyway, I came across an article written by TC and Bill Phillips (owner of Met-RX, body for life challenge founder), and thought it might be of interest:

“30 of Bodybuilding’s Biggest Myths”
naturalbodybuildingevents.today.com/2009/
02/25/30-of-bodybuildings-biggest-lies-parts-1-5/

I think myth #2 is especially applicable to your situation.

-J

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[quote]juanjromero wrote:
Da Vinci wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
DJS wrote:
juanjromero wrote:

man, i did see a pic of your meal on your profile… is that what you eat in a meal???.. wow, incredible… that is half what i eat and i have a hard, hard time growing…
[/quote]

Like it’s been stated over and over again, repeatedly.

If you’re not growing, then you’re not eating enough. People already covered this.

Calculate, figure out how many calories you are taking in, quit worrying about your body fat levels, and take good advice that’s been handed to you 500 times already. But don’t start bitching about how much you eat, and somehow can’t seem to grow and body parts beginning to “shrink”. It takes you to a road of nowhere.

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[quote]juanjromero wrote:
man, i did see a pic of your meal on your profile… is that what you eat in a meal???.. wow, incredible… that is half what i eat and i have a hard, hard time growing…
[/quote]

That’s my typical dinner. My other 5 meals are similar in size but often vary in contents.

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[quote]One Sexy Korean wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
Da Vinci wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
DJS wrote:
juanjromero wrote:

man, i did see a pic of your meal on your profile… is that what you eat in a meal???.. wow, incredible… that is half what i eat and i have a hard, hard time growing…

Like it’s been stated over and over again, repeatedly.

If you’re not growing, then you’re not eating enough. People already covered this.

Calculate, figure out how many calories you are taking in, quit worrying about your body fat levels, and take good advice that’s been handed to you 500 times already. But don’t start bitching about how much you eat, and somehow can’t seem to grow and body parts beginning to “shrink”. It takes you to a road of nowhere.[/quote]

ok,… i hope i can express myself clearly:

I AM GROWING, SLOWLY BUT GROWING:
I am 172pound now.
still 31" on waist
and arm went from 13"-14.5"-16.5"
that is a proof of growth.

I CANT’T EAT A WHOLE CHICKEN BY MEAL:
If I eat (just a figure) more than half a chicken by meal, i start gaining fat faster than muscle. that is my metabolism, i am 41, not the same than a guy on his 20’s or 30’s also it seems i have two issues: Cortisol and insuline resistence started to appear. I did learn how to reduce my cortisol using arginine,etc.etc. insuline is of care, because it spikes if i eat some sugars, fruits, etc. or guess what: a whole chicken by meal.

I do worry about fat levels, it is unhealthy not to do so when you are my age with high blood pressure and cardiac parents and grand-parents.

bodyparts actually shrink when you spend all the glycogen and do not rest enough (i was doing that and also cortisol levels increase due to over training and muscle is broken down)

eating a lot more, implies getting a lot of fat by simple matematical rule: 500Kcal by meal x 6 Meals = 3,000Kcal. I can’t afford to eat more than 6 times… and if i increase the kcal by meal, then fat gets in. it is giving me good results, slow but clean.

I WILL NEVER COMPETE. so, i am not in rush.

also, i don’t beleive on yo-yo bulking/cutting, i like food and i prefer to eat all the time a delicious meal and not being eating like a pig a few months and doing cardio and eating sh!t the next ones. I have tried both methods… incresasing the weight (bulking/cutting) and steadly and i will use a figure: it is like going all the way around the block just to reach two doors next to my house. i prefer use that time to walk slowly (use the same period of time) and gain the same amount of muscle eating what i like in controlled way. I am pretty sure i will reach the 5,000Kcal by day when my body is ready to eat 840Kcal by meal.

i appreciate the comments of some people, including some of the proffessor X which are usefull, and regret not being polite rejecting the ones i disagree with.

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[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
man, i did see a pic of your meal on your profile… is that what you eat in a meal???.. wow, incredible… that is half what i eat and i have a hard, hard time growing…

That’s my typical dinner. My other 5 meals are similar in size but often vary in contents.[/quote]

i am amazed of that… i will pm you if you dont’ mind, to exchange information. i want to know your opinion (without the usual flames) about some aspects… you are pretty experienced and mature and i wish most people here were that way.

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[quote]jbird643 wrote:
Hey Juan,

I just read through the entire thread. It was a great read, and your persistence is admirable. I like the “stick to the plan” mentality.

Anyway, I came across an article written by TC and Bill Phillips (owner of Met-RX, body for life challenge founder), and thought it might be of interest:

“30 of Bodybuilding’s Biggest Myths”
naturalbodybuildingevents.today.com/2009/
02/25/30-of-bodybuildings-biggest-lies-parts-1-5/

I think myth #2 is especially applicable to your situation.

-J[/quote]
I just read it, it portraits perfectly what i think and is good to see people in here that use facts to take decisions and don’t get fooled by the false perception of increasing weight and looking fat. i want not just to be big, i want to get muscle, as much as i can.

thanks for the information, it shows that spending the time to understand the OP reasons, gives a good and useful answer. congrats…