Now I don’t believe one’s position on this subject will determine if one is saved or not but I find this subject interesting since I am not quite sure how it will fold out. There those who hold to a amillennial position, and pre-tribulational or post-tribulational position. I don’t hold to a amillennial position but find the pre-tribulational or post-tribulational positions more tenable and am curious how the millennial kingdom will fit in with the everlasting kingdom.
WHATCHU SAYIN BRO
I have no fucking clue what you just said. FSM FTW!
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LOL - you’ve stumped them Joab!
Sorry for the brain-strain fellows, but what he is asking about is the various versions of the end of time/end of days prior to the final judgement of Christ.
There are 3 main groups (but a myriad of subgroups and overlaps)
post-millennialists - no rapture/time of tribulation(7 years) prior to the 1,000 year reign
A-millennialists - no rapture, no thousand year reign and no tribulation (figurative, not literal)
pre-millennialists - rapture of the faithful prior to the tribulation and 1,000 year reign
At least that’s what my tired old brain remembers of the various POV’s
I understand what he is talking about. This is an offshoot of the Trinity Discussion thread, so if you do not want to get into a Bible discussion, then this is not the place for some.
He is talking about the book of Revelation. There are different theories of how the second coming will happen. These are very basic definitions, so please correct me if I am wrong.
Pre-tribulation is talking about the Rapture. Meaning that Jesus will call us up before the Tribulation, time of suffering. Basically all Christians will not be on Earth during the Judgement of men.
Post-tribulation Jesus will call us up after the Tribulation. God’s Judgement will be on all humans during the time that God is Judging us.
Millenial - will the Rein of Jesus last for only 1000 and then we will go back to the way things are.
Everlasting Kingdom - Jesus’ reign will be forever.
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
LOL - you’ve stumped them Joab!
Sorry for the brain-strain fellows, but what he is asking about is the various versions of the end of time/end of days prior to the final judgement of Christ.
There are 3 main groups (but a myriad of subgroups and overlaps)
post-millennialists - no rapture/time of tribulation(7 years) prior to the 1,000 year reign
A-millennialists - no rapture, no thousand year reign and no tribulation (figurative, not literal)
pre-millennialists - rapture of the faithful prior to the tribulation and 1,000 year reign
At least that’s what my tired old brain remembers of the various POV’s[/quote]
that isn’t quite true about the a-millennialists. We actually do hold that the thousand year rain is figurative, and it is currently on going since Jesus is seated in Heaven.
for a really great discource on all of the perspectives I highly recommend Steve Greg’s website
http://www.thenarrowpath.com/
look up his topical lectures > the when shall these things be.
By far the best presentation on all three views I have heard.
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and yes we do believe in the tribulation we just believe it happened during the sacking of Jerusalem in the first century.
We also believe in a second coming and a Judgement day.
yep- sorry about that, figured I wasn’t dead-on on that recall - 
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
yep- sorry about that, figured I wasn’t dead-on on that recall - :)[/quote]
No worries. they can all get complicated really quick
I started out as a pre-mil. with dispensational leanings.
I have rejected the pre-mil as well as dispensationalism. I found the interpretation
way to inconsistent, as well as the amount of preconceived ideas to reach that
conclusion are hard to justify once you look at it openly.
so now I am an A-mil, with partial preterist leanings.
Simple, all versions are complete bs.
Why don’t you grow up? The world is complicated and we can actually blow it up without external help (mesopotamian gods, aliens, nazis from space).
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Simple, all versions are complete bs.
Why don’t you grow up? The world is complicated and we can actually blow it up without external help (mesopotamian gods, aliens, nazis from space). [/quote]
Yes, we should all adopt your warm disposition.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Simple, all versions are complete bs.
Why don’t you grow up? The world is complicated and we can actually blow it up without external help (mesopotamian gods, aliens, nazis from space). [/quote]
This.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Simple, all versions are complete bs.
Why don’t you grow up? The world is complicated and we can actually blow it up without external help (mesopotamian gods, aliens, nazis from space). [/quote]
This.[/quote]
Here He comes to save the day!
after all - Mak’s the expert on everything religious and scientific - don’t believe me? ask him. . .
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Simple, all versions are complete bs.
Why don’t you grow up? The world is complicated and we can actually blow it up without external help (mesopotamian gods, aliens, nazis from space). [/quote]
This.[/quote]
Here He comes to save the day!
after all - Mak’s the expert on everything religious and scientific - don’t believe me? ask him. . . [/quote]
I think Mak is a closet Christian. It is time to come out of the closet Mak. Here Mak, Mak, Mak, Mak. Here is some Kool-Aid, it will make everything alright.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Simple, all versions are complete bs.
Why don’t you grow up? The world is complicated and we can actually blow it up without external help (mesopotamian gods, aliens, nazis from space). [/quote]
Oooh, slinging poop in a thread only for the sake of slinging poop while calling someone immature.
Nicely done.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I think Mak is a closet Christian. It is time to come out of the closet Mak. Here Mak, Mak, Mak, Mak. Here is some Kool-Aid, it will make everything alright.[/quote]
No thanks.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I think Mak is a closet Christian. It is time to come out of the closet Mak. Here Mak, Mak, Mak, Mak. Here is some Kool-Aid, it will make everything alright.[/quote]
No thanks.[/quote]
You’re a Christianphobe though. Which means you’re a vocal self-denying closeted Christian!
I feel so sorry for this dude trying to a start a serious thread.
This is teh intarnetz at its prime.
Lol. I love how discussions that deal within the realm of Christianity or for that matter, any religion, get pricks who dont believe in it at all. And supposively Christians are closeminded bigots and racists. Silly me, I should know that its ok for Christians to be ridiculed.
[quote]haney1 wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
LOL - you’ve stumped them Joab!
Sorry for the brain-strain fellows, but what he is asking about is the various versions of the end of time/end of days prior to the final judgement of Christ.
There are 3 main groups (but a myriad of subgroups and overlaps)
post-millennialists - no rapture/time of tribulation(7 years) prior to the 1,000 year reign
A-millennialists - no rapture, no thousand year reign and no tribulation (figurative, not literal)
pre-millennialists - rapture of the faithful prior to the tribulation and 1,000 year reign
At least that’s what my tired old brain remembers of the various POV’s[/quote]
that isn’t quite true about the a-millennialists. We actually do hold that the thousand year rain is figurative, and it is currently on going since Jesus is seated in Heaven.
for a really great discource on all of the perspectives I highly recommend Steve Greg’s website
http://www.thenarrowpath.com/
look up his topical lectures > the when shall these things be.
By far the best presentation on all three views I have heard.
edit
and yes we do believe in the tribulation we just believe it happened during the sacking of Jerusalem in the first century.
We also believe in a second coming and a Judgement day.[/quote]
Cool ill check it out, I always enjoy presentations that look at the main sides on a topic.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]haney1 wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
LOL - you’ve stumped them Joab!
Sorry for the brain-strain fellows, but what he is asking about is the various versions of the end of time/end of days prior to the final judgement of Christ.
There are 3 main groups (but a myriad of subgroups and overlaps)
post-millennialists - no rapture/time of tribulation(7 years) prior to the 1,000 year reign
A-millennialists - no rapture, no thousand year reign and no tribulation (figurative, not literal)
pre-millennialists - rapture of the faithful prior to the tribulation and 1,000 year reign
At least that’s what my tired old brain remembers of the various POV’s[/quote]
that isn’t quite true about the a-millennialists. We actually do hold that the thousand year rain is figurative, and it is currently on going since Jesus is seated in Heaven.
for a really great discource on all of the perspectives I highly recommend Steve Greg’s website
http://www.thenarrowpath.com/
look up his topical lectures > the when shall these things be.
By far the best presentation on all three views I have heard.
edit
and yes we do believe in the tribulation we just believe it happened during the sacking of Jerusalem in the first century.
We also believe in a second coming and a Judgement day.[/quote]
Cool ill check it out, I always enjoy presentations that look at the main sides on a topic.[/quote]
So what do you struggle with the a-mil position?
And seriously you think the post mil is believable? I find that one the hardest to accept.
I am all for being positive, but I mean the concept that the world will get better only because of an increased Spirit of God is really hard to accept.