I thought I saw that on Mike’s page. I looked and I can’t find it now.
I read that they did not “max out” every workout near the end. I’m not trying to discredit the hard work and gains.
People can get stonger and put on some size.
We know that some of the claims that are fantastic there is no proof. There is a guy on Mike’s website who claims at the age of 44 he put on 45 pounds of muscle. No pictures.
Can you please post these routines in this thread?
The swede
What is the story on Mike Mentzer, and Sean Robertson?
Routines? diets?
PETER MCGOUGH, ‘THE MIKE MENZTER STORY’, FLEX MAGAZINE, SEPTEMBER (2001).
Just wondering if there is anyone but the youngest on here who don’t know the Mike Mentzer story by now?
Scott
My thought is, that any routine would have been successful for these men, maybe even HVT, based on the enthusiasm for the task at hand.
Just looking at the website, you realize someone has put a lot of thought into it. In short, they believed in it and invested lots of energy in it - thus the project was a success. You become good at the things you actually do, and concentrate upon. It’s not always a matter of time spent (in the gym).
Please do tell as much as you can
What I posted in this thread is all I have to say as I stated.
One thing I saw was on youtube about Mentzers HIT HD tape. They show
back ground footage.
Ray said they were planning on opening a wellness center. Including testosterone replacement. He make a comment about GH as well.
Sorry, I should have read farther before asking. Thanks much
Hey no problem. It’s just a lot to retype.
I’ve used his heavy duty 2 routine with awful results…better results came with fullbody workouts 2 times a week, 8-12 sets per workout
This was from 2010, any idea on how this guys are doing now?? Their website and youtube channel seem dead.
They’re doing as well as the YouTube channel…
That made me chuckle
What happened?
Apologies for bumping an old thread. This is one of the most informative threads I have read on this subject, especially from those people who actually rubbed shoulders with the man.
This is something I revisited recently myself as, for reasons I don’t need to go into, I have had to curtail frequency.
One point I did note is that a lot is made of training to failure but, speaking from experience, it takes more mental energy to get up for 12 sets of chest work than one all out set to failure every 8 days, or whatever.
Like many folks have said, I think Mentzer took frequency and volume to extremes at a time he was mentally past his peak. I have personally found that provided additional intensity techniques are employed, e.g. rest pause, negatives, loaded stretching, etc, you can make hypertrophy gains on such a system. But that is probably something he would have never advocated for the majority of trainees.
There’s no question that it takes much more metal effort to get through 10 sets than one to failure. I think you can build muscle doing just about any system, the two factors involved are can you recover from what you are doing in a reasonable time and do you really enjoy what you are doing? That old BS of Jones where he says something to the effect that if you enjoy your workout you are doing it wrong is crap. If you don’t enjoy it you won’t keep at it no matter what results it produces and keeping at it is as important as anything.
Scott
Good points well made.
There seems less zealotry around HIT these days, which suggests it has indeed evolved as the original OP said.
It always puzzles me why people judge mentzers training on his later work. When he trained himself he wasn’t hitting the gym once every 7 days. If you research his older routines they seem much more effective.
Not sure if that was directed at me, as I did reference his latter views.
I listened to Franco Colombu recently talk about Mentzer, and he claimed he was in the gym as often as he and Arnold so questioned whether he did the HIT routine he claimed to.