The Mexican States of America

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Here’s an idea, if you considered yourself anything + American, you’d just consider yourself American… period.

I don’t walk around saying I’m Italian, Polish, Ukranian, Russian American - or maybe just shorten to European American. Maybe because its a mouthful, maybe because I don’t care about my heritage, or maybe because that mentality is bullshit. Two of those are false.

We are supposed to be “one people” but everyone who complains about being a minority has to “identify” with a group and live within those communities to maintain their culture. Why the hell did you leave in the first place if you just wanted to uproot everything you left and bring it here?

Common sense would dictate, if you or your grandfather, or your father, or anyone wanted a different life, they’d leave behind what they left and start a new in a new country and identify with those in said country to whom they apparently they wanted to be a part of. Especially after a third generation…

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
…I’ll tell you this, Mexicans don’t consider me Mexican, many Americans, like yourself don’t consider me American… [/quote]

Bullshit.[/quote]

Really ?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
…I’ll tell you this, Mexicans don’t consider me Mexican, many Americans, like yourself don’t consider me American… [/quote]

Bullshit.[/quote]

The victimhood is strong in this one, Push.

It allows him to rationalize all sorts of great things.

Like how granps’ illegal entry into the US “wasn’t a crime.”[/quote]

[/quote]

Metalica Rocks but I like Die Antwoord better :slight_smile:

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How about we talk about how Americans who either come to or visit Mexico are treated…

Extorted by cops, harassed by Mexican people, harangued by children peddling for money, and that is done to those who come legally.

But when Mexicans come illegally to the US, they get in-state tuition, financial aid, free k-12 education, and free healthcare.

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Shoot them as they try to cross the border. Automated turrets, detect anything larger than a prairie dog based on IR. Points of entry only through main commuter passageways.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
…I’ll tell you this, Mexicans don’t consider me Mexican, many Americans, like yourself don’t consider me American… [/quote]

Bullshit.[/quote]

The victimhood is strong in this one, Push.

It allows him to rationalize all sorts of great things.

Like how granps’ illegal entry into the US “wasn’t a crime.”[/quote]

[/quote]

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
How about we talk about how Americans who either come to or visit Mexico are treated…

Extorted by cops, harassed by Mexican people, harangued by children peddling for money, and that is done to those who come legally.

But when Mexicans come illegally to the US, they get in-state tuition, financial aid, free k-12 education, and free healthcare. [/quote]

Mexico is pretty much a warzone.

I’ve been extorted by cops in Mexico for a couple hundred bucks in total over 3 separate incidents. I’ve also been approached by children on the streets asking for a quarter for a 2 cent piece of chicle, I always look for the kid with a mother close by and give five bucks so I can see the kids and mothers face light up, as that’s food for a family for a day, and hardly anything to me.

Also, life in general is very cheap in Mexico. I watched a kid not too much younger than myself at the time get shot and killed by the Feds for running away from them and nobody could do shit about it unless they want to be arrested or maybe meet the same fate. The same goes for the Cartels and how they treat people who try and speak out or take action except families are a favorite target of the Cartels for the sake of sending a message.

You see it’s all about controlling people via intimidation and fear.

Come to the U.S. and it’s all about this game the United States has been playing for a while about being labeled lazy, parasite while at the same time taking jobs that nobody wants and getting paid less for those jobs. When I walk around my town, I see plenty of homeless people peddling for money. What I don’t see a lot of are Mexican homeless people, or Mexican people peddling for money. What you do see are Mexican people working, everywhere, and I mean everywhere. Come visit my town and you will see.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Here’s an idea, if you considered yourself anything + American, you’d just consider yourself American… period.

I don’t walk around saying I’m Italian, Polish, Ukranian, Russian American - or maybe just shorten to European American. Maybe because its a mouthful, maybe because I don’t care about my heritage, or maybe because that mentality is bullshit. Two of those are false.

We are supposed to be “one people” but everyone who complains about being a minority has to “identify” with a group and live within those communities to maintain their culture. Why the hell did you leave in the first place if you just wanted to uproot everything you left and bring it here?

Common sense would dictate, if you or your grandfather, or your father, or anyone wanted a different life, they’d leave behind what they left and start a new in a new country and identify with those in said country to whom they apparently they wanted to be a part of. Especially after a third generation…[/quote]

The whole Melting pot concept has been around and talked about for a looong time but it’s never been a reality, and if you examine the concept of melting pot, you probably wouldn’t like the endeavor of it either.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Here’s an idea, if you considered yourself anything + American, you’d just consider yourself American… period.

I don’t walk around saying I’m Italian, Polish, Ukranian, Russian American - or maybe just shorten to European American. Maybe because its a mouthful, maybe because I don’t care about my heritage, or maybe because that mentality is bullshit. Two of those are false.

We are supposed to be “one people” but everyone who complains about being a minority has to “identify” with a group and live within those communities to maintain their culture. Why the hell did you leave in the first place if you just wanted to uproot everything you left and bring it here?

Common sense would dictate, if you or your grandfather, or your father, or anyone wanted a different life, they’d leave behind what they left and start a new in a new country and identify with those in said country to whom they apparently they wanted to be a part of. Especially after a third generation…[/quote]

The whole Melting pot concept has been around and talked about for a looong time but it’s never been a reality, and if you examine the concept of melting pot, you probably wouldn’t like the endeavor of it either. [/quote]

Such utter bullshit.

MY generation exemplifies the melting pot.[/quote]

Really? So have been assimilated into, and become part of a homogenous culture eh? Nobody picks you out in the crowd because you are part of the same bland soup as everyone else?

Kinda like, the Ryukuan and Ainu in Japan and their homogenous culture?

Have you thought about what a Melting pot actually is and means? What it entails? Obviously not. Think about it a little more carefully.

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I think Severiano’s opinion about the melting pot is based on what we see here in California.

Because America has catered to other cultures to an almost criminal degree, the expectation is that that continue since the precedent has already been set.

If you give a mouse a cookie, he will want a glass of milk.

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I’ve seen it more as a stew than a melting pot. Each ingredient adding it’s own flavor to the overall dish, yet retaining a distinct identity.

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I don’t identify to trendy terms like melting pot. Most cities/towns cater to the nationalities there, Italians, Polish, Ukrainian, Irish whatever. You’ll see their heritage in their town.

At the same time, you won’t see Polish people calling Italian’s Daygo’s or vice versa Dumb Polok’s. Yea, its said all the time in jest at work, and yea some families still speak their native tongue at home, but when they are out in public, guess what the common language is… ENGLISH!!

Why is this? Because English is the native language of this country. Yet how many languages are represented in Western Europe alone?

I know Indian folks here in Japan who speak over 4 languages: English, Japanese, their native region Indian, and the “national Indian language” which I think is based upon whichever region is the largest, I forget which.

Most Europeans speak at least two languages, especially if they do any kind of business, because English is needed. Same for most Japanese understanding and many management/business level speaking it well.

Mexican folks, who live in this country, can’t even speak the language. That was true for first generational immigrants from Europe, but they made sure their kids learned English to fit in and get a job. Its par for the course, some folks just seem to feel they are above it - and it isn’t just Mexican folks.

And I’ve worked with Mexican folk before. I visited a Motor Supplier in Texas whose entire manufacturing force was Mexican decent. They were all very nice guys, very friendly, and very hard working. Didn’t complain about jack. I commented to this to both them and their management in front of them as a Customer which is a big pat on the back. I acknowledge the work ethic of Mexicans, but these guys did their due process and were all LEGALLY immigrated to the country.

There is something that cheapens entering a country when you can do it illegally and something very demotivating about being a contributor to said country when you don’t speak the language and aren’t traceable.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

Really? So have been assimilated into, and become part of a homogenous culture eh? Nobody picks you out in the crowd because you are part of the same bland soup as everyone else?
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Kinda like, the Ryukuan and Ainu in Japan and their homogenous culture?

Have you thought about what a Melting pot actually is and means? What it entails? Obviously not. Think about it a little more carefully. [/quote]

“Think about it a little more carefully.”

What are you, my mother? My teacher?

Nobody ever said we all had to become carbon copies of each other for the US to be a “melting pot.”

Listen, I know this is little more than an ad hom, but I’m starting to realize that you’re just too, well, immature to have a meaningful discussion with, so I’m out of here.[/quote]

:slight_smile: I’m the one who’s too childish and immature, yet you are the one running away.

Simply research the different ideas put forth on this subject, Melting pot/ forge, salad bowl and you will see there is a bigger picture. In reality societies are all both melting pots and salad bowls at the same time.

Assimilation into a culture does occur, but at a much slower rate. In time the world will probably be full of brown skinnned phenotypes with very few white or black phenotypes (if we don’t kill one another first) I’m talking hundreds, maybe a thousand years down the road. But that isn’t culture, that’s just phenotype.

The salad bowl concept is about having a multitude of cultures and cultural identities as part of a whole, where cultures maintain their integrity and resist becoming another muted aspect of a bland collective, or the majority of the integrity of their culture and remain, yet they still are part of the whole of society, which is a temporary ideal because assimilation and homogeneity does occur, it just takes a longer time, and doesn’t quite work how you seem to think it does.

The problem with it ends up being that it’s wrapped up in culture. Different sub cultures and cultures develop and maintain in societies. To assume no new cultures will come about from existing societies is to ignore the whole of history. If you aren’t convinced, how did the United States come about? Things like War, Religion, Education, Technology all have huge impacts on culture and concepts of melting pots, salad bowls and colorful collage concepts etc… Sorry your 18th century WASP concept of culture isn’t the complete picture.