The Mexican States of America

Sumo are cool. I ate at a yakiniku restaurant a week ago, the owner was a former Sumo champion - not Yokozuna, but the next step down. He was totally cool. He had leaned out but was still pretty big (had huge hands and was the tallest Japanese I had seen).

I hear from Project Engineers that Korea is like India described above. Depending on where you go people will ask for pictures, a couple even asked one guy for an autograph (thought he was somehow famous because he was a foreigner in Korea). South Korea too, not North.

Also, yay off topic.

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
If Chushin is a Turtle, and currently living in Japan… is he possibly a teenage mutant ninja turtle (no longer teenage)?

If so, that’s totally legit.

Finally, I can empathize with the fact that people want to escape a bad area/place. Problem is, those issues follow you. Because those problems can also move to the nicer areas.[/quote]

Kinda like the Pilgrims, or anybody who has ever been a refugee in history.

If you acknowledge it’s only human to improve your situation, and it’s worth while to break the law if that is the only reasonable way, why are we not seeing eye to eye on this?

If you have such a problem with it, why don’t you go after the businesses that are creating the demand for cheap labor and deal with the problem like that?

If you have a problem with Argentine ants invading your home, and realize that they come in because you don’t take out the trash, are you going to take out the trash more often? Or are you going to go to call up an exterminator every week and I’m sure he will tell you how great a job he is doing with your ant problem all the way to the bank. He will blame the ants, and you will be the sucker for listening to him. He might even propose militarizing your lawn, cracks and holes in the foundation of your home, and it will work for a couple weeks until the Ants just dig more holes and MAKE new routes into your home, or you could just take the friggin trash out, not spend all that money, and not have your opinion shaped by lies or retarded/ temporary/ expensive solutions that are clearly benefiting certain people who look to make a buck off of you.

The exterminator needs those ants to invade your home, and he needs you to be too lazy to take out the trash, he needs you to believe the ants are the problem, not your laziness. When you finally realize it’s just you being lazy, you will go reach for your trash and realize it’s too heavy, and the ants have been lessening that weight for you, and in a sense you have become reliant on them… At this point you aren’t strong enough to take out the trash on your own, you just haven’t realized it yet… That’s what happens when crops go unpicked in the U.S. You haven’t come to accept the reality that we are reliant to a degree on cheap labor, and we ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. It’s more American than apple pie = cheap labor! Think about how long we have been reliant on some form of cheap labor and how it has sort of shifted around. Now we don’t have slaves or, “Chinamen” or “Braceros” in the same way we once had. Labor has evolved too, and we export our labor to places like India, China etc and it’s still money out of your pocket in a certain sense, but here you are pointing the finger at Mexicans while talking to an operator in India who helps you troubleshoot your networking problems over a phone or modem and computer components made in China.

Hopefully this analogy makes a little sense.

Just saying… It’s kinda like hating on Ants for being ants, or hating on Lions for being Lions. It’s only human to improve ones situations.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

Kinda like the Pilgrims, or anybody who has ever been a refugee in history.

If you acknowledge it’s only human to improve your situation, and it’s worth while to break the law if that is the only reasonable way…

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Nope, that comparison doesn’t wash. Truth of the matter is the Pilgrims broke no immigration laws.

Your logic fails.

Your illegal alien grandad, as fine a man as he may have been, was not the equivalent of a Pilgrim.[/quote]

No way Push, the hate-Whitey train is goin’ full steam ahead.

Indians killed each other for land and power, but only Whitey can murder.

I think when the immigrants came from Europe, they were required to “sign in” and be accounted for. Family name, number of members, etc. Kind of like immigrating to get on record. They couldn’t just sneak across the ocean, so they essentially were “legally immigrated.”

Slight difference.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

Kinda like the Pilgrims, or anybody who has ever been a refugee in history.

If you acknowledge it’s only human to improve your situation, and it’s worth while to break the law if that is the only reasonable way…

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Nope, that comparison doesn’t wash. Truth of the matter is the Pilgrims broke no immigration laws.

Your logic fails.

Your illegal alien grandad, as fine a man as he may have been, was not the equivalent of a Pilgrim.[/quote]

Cus 'Mericuh has always been belonged to 'Mericans. Nobody was here before the pilgrims.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

Kinda like the Pilgrims, or anybody who has ever been a refugee in history.

If you acknowledge it’s only human to improve your situation, and it’s worth while to break the law if that is the only reasonable way…

[/quote]

Nope, that comparison doesn’t wash. Truth of the matter is the Pilgrims broke no immigration laws.

Your logic fails.

Your illegal alien grandad, as fine a man as he may have been, was not the equivalent of a Pilgrim.[/quote]

Cus 'Mericuh has always been belonged to 'Mericans. Nobody was here before the pilgrims. [/quote]

That is irrelevant.

There were no immigration laws in the US until the late 19th century, almost 300 years after the Pilgrims and 100 years after the birth of the country. If Grampy Sev would’ve waltzed across the border in 1675, 1775 or 1875 he wouldn’t have broke any immigration laws. It’s that simple.
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Of course, if Grampy Sev had waltzed into California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado or (arguably) Texas any time before about 1848, there wouldn’t have been an issue because there wouldn’t have been a “border”: it would have been his country.

Geography is destiny, so they say. Being born in a country with the technological capability to take other people’s land at will, and the legal and military wherewithal to keep other people from taking that land, is a piece of good fortune too many Americans take for granted.

I will concede that they did it more efficiently than everybody else.

When the Greeks or Romans wanted to remove a population from a piece of land that they coveted, it was a long, drawn-out process of going around, marching your army from place to place, poking people with spears and dumping salt on fields. I mean, sure, your phalanx or legion was better organized than the miserable fuckers you were up against, and maybe you had better armor and weapons, but still, the other guys had swords and spears, and bows and arrows, and some of them had armor, too. Made the whole business of land theft a downright risky proposition.

But rifled firearms weilded by members of an industrialized, seafaring martial civilization, versus bows and arrows, carried by a bunch of stone age hunter-gatherers who ran around practically naked, and whose numbers have already been reduced by nearly ninety percent through infectious disease for which they had no immunity? Now there is disparity of technology that is unprecedented in human history. No wonder it was so easy.

Actually, I guess there have been parallels since then (how many Polak cavalrymen does it take to attack a Panzer division? All of them! How many Zulu warriors does it take to attack a Maxim gun emplacement? All of them!) but they are few and far between, and none of them were as successful for the aggressors. What do the Greeks and the Romans and the French and the Spanish and the British and the Germans have now, for all of their aggressive wars? Diddly squat. What do we have? A motherfucking continent, baby.

So don’t get me wrong. I am not criticizing here. The most recent conquest of the North American continent by the British and their descendents was a lucky thing indeed. Were it not for the removal of those pesky nomads it would have been miiiighty crowded in England right about now. Not much fun for you or me.
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But if it’s a concession you want, then let’s at least be honest in our terms. Just because the bastards didn’t put up much of a fight, doesn’t make it any less of an aggressive war of conquest. In that case I suppose I could concede that it was a benevolently aggressive war of conquest, in which a more technologically advanced race benvolently took on the burden of land management from a less advanced race, on whom the drugerous business of hunting, gathering, and squabbling amongst themselves over petty territorial disputes was likely weighing rather heavily.

Varq, you know damn well there was a legal precedent for the land snatch. In Haley vs. United States, it was Haley: 7, United States: nothing.

Quick question…

What do you call an amazing display of hypocrisy ?

When your lawyer tells you to follow the law, when he is an illegal alien himself.

Meet Sergio, an illegal alien who passed the Bar Exam, and wants to be a lawyer…

http://news.yahoo.com/immigrant-fights-become-california-lawyer-081031894.html

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Quick question…

What do you call an amazing display of hypocrisy ?

When your lawyer tells you to follow the law, when he is an illegal alien himself.

Meet Sergio, an illegal alien who passed the Bar Exam, and wants to be a lawyer…

http://news.yahoo.com/immigrant-fights-become-california-lawyer-081031894.html[/quote]

Because lawyers in general never break the law ever.

Absolutely not, they only skirt the law and tread the line jumping through the loopholes only they know are there. Perfectly legal.