The Mercury DeToxification Thread

Training Over 35 Lifter
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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
entheogens,

You certainly do have a nasty set of symptoms. I’m assuming your doc has already done the endocrine testing. Hormones that naturally decrease with age such as thyroid, pregnenolone, DHEA can be supplemented before you finish detox (which Cutler says takes at least a year by the way). How about allergies? Check this clinic out in that regard: lacrosseallergy.com. My wife and I are going there this summer.

Hope you can solve your problem and get some relief.[/quote]

I have had my endocrine system tested and am alright there.
A number of years ago I had a big allergy test done and there was very little that showed up there. I am allergic to penicillin and sensitive to cashews and strawberries…That’s it. Thanks for pointing these issues out though.

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Ok, one more week before I begin the intravenous chelation.

Something interesting happened before I left the Doctor’s office about 12 days ago. They gave me a Zinc Taste test.
Now, I had read about Poliquin using this technique but had never done such a test before. It consists of putting a bit of zinc sulphate in your mouth. According to the taste, one can measure zinc deficiency.

Here’s the thing. I have been supplementing with 60+ mgs. of zinc everyday for the past 6-8 months. Yet, the test indicated that I have a moderate zinc DEFICIENCY. After about 10 seconds, I got a “chalky” taste in my mouth. Here’s an explanation of the Zinc Taste Test.

Anyway, I have been informed that zinc and mercury bond to some of the same receptors in the body. Could it be that despite my zinc supplementation, mercury is already bound to some of these receptors? Is the zinc taste test truly an accurate way of testing zinc deficiency?

Anyway, I thought the above questions would be good ones to rasie with T-Nationers in the know.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
Mr. Chen wrote:
Entheogens,

I would recommend you read Andrew Cutler’s book- Almalgam Illness Diagnosis and Treatment. He is a PhD registered chemist. Get it from noamalgam.com. This one, and his book on hair analysis are on Amazon, you can read the reviews.

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Mr. Chen, I have read about half Cutler’s book now. In truth, I don’t know what to make of it. It appears that some people have had bad results from intravenous chelation and Cutler argues their case. Others have had good experiences doing the intravenous chelation. This is one confusing subject and the debate between the various proponents remind me some of the endless debates on training/diet one will find up here on T-Nation :slight_smile:

I have asked for an initial low dose of DMPS during the intravenous chelation. If I see any sign of really bad effects of redistribution, I will stop and reassess.

Cutler obviously has great credentials. Other people with good credentials disagree with him. I will proceed with caution.

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So, tomorrow I go in for my first IV using DMPS as a means to chelate mercury. Basically there appear to be two major camps in heavy metal detox. On the one hand, you have those who believe that DMPS IVs are the best way to detox mercury. The other camp basically believes that DMPS, or at least DMPS IVs, is not safe. The anti-DMPS people argue that DMSA taken orally is the safest way to go.

Here are some links that may help you research the two viewpoints:

                  PRO-DMPS
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Here is the website of Dr. Klinghardt. His protocol is vaguely similar to the one my doctor will be using. He seems to be the poster-child for all those critical of DMPS. There are a number of articles detailing some of his experience treating mercury poisoning:

http://www.neuraltherapy.com/articlesProtocols.asp

This gentleman recounts his remarkable recovery that he attributes to DMPS IVs:

Here’s my Doctor’s website:

http://guilfordmd.com/index.html

     Anti-DMPS
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You will find some articles, web postings, etc by Andrew Cutler, a biochemist who cured himself of mercury poisoning and is highly critical of DMPS:
http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

This website is very critical of DMPS, though apparently Cutler (above) does not agree with a lot of what they say:

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So, I got my first DPMS IV today. The initial amount was 2.5 ccs and will be moved up to 5 ccs next time I go in (in two weeks).

DPMS IV was followed by a Post Myers IV Protocol consisting of the following:

Vitamin C
Cyanocobalamin
Pantothenic Acid
Pyridoxine
Vitamin B Complex
Multimineral
Calcium
Magnesium Sulfate
Sodium Bicarbonate

It turns out that my Vitamin D and Vitamin B12 levels were a bit low. This despite my cod liver oil and large meat consumption! The doctor expalined to me that heavy-metal toxic folks usually have poor gut absorption. He also prescribed extra Vitamin D3 and B12 and advised that I take probiotics along with my detox.

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Wow here I am again, I really never tought I would post on a forum again, but this is too critical, and I can see some bright minds at work. Lets get to the core of myself first.

I have had about 12 amalgam fillings since I was around 7 years old. Of course I never felt good about them and felt kind of autistic when my awareness developped at around 12, I kept looking at them in the mirror like I was the T1000 and that I could morph at will, I’m sure you get the feeling.

I did eat tons of fish and tuna, I did break many fluorescent bulbs in my adolescent years, not on purpose mind you !

Of course they wont tell us that tooth decay is caused primarly by demineralisation, and that fluoride absorbs hydrogen ions and transforms the very flexible hydroxyapatite(coating of bones and teeth) into fluoro-apatite (which has stronger impact resistance but NO flexibility regeneration) Ok maybe I am going too fast and not being linear, but I don’t think so. Up and over with the digression.

The reason that I decided to post was your very enlightening comment about ZINC and mercury, oh that made my jaw drop bows how clever to remember this critical bit of information while you intake so much contradicting information !

I have started removing my amalgams and even tho it was well done my body started detoxing and I got this oh so unpleasant jock itch, and an intense one at that ! I noticed applying the classical zinc oxide ointment that my skin actually drank the zinc, so I kept applying more and more, but it’s not staying there ! When I was younger it did stay white and put, and not it feels like it oozes out of place and cannot bind where I need it.

So my skin is completely toxified with mercury and you just made my day ! Of course !

I will abstain from commenting on the quackwatch website since it will be too ugly…

I don’t like tests and always relied on my body to tell me what it needs and surprisingly enough my overall health is exeptional, my attention span is great, my vision better than the norm and I will spare the details, but my body has been telling me for 5 years, zinc, zinc, zinc… and I tried everything, but now I’m convinced I just shit it straight away even tho it probably helped keep me on the borderline of sanity.

Heck this is getting long, is my language too vulgar ? I am appaled at how you people did not think about clay, and I’m going to kick myself in the butt before going to sleep because I didn’t think about it too.

Forget chelation and take a bath in different clays everyday, I’m 100% convinced it will pull out everything out of you because thats how nature intended it, how do I know ? I’m no MD but my body is now telling me :

Clay, Clay, Clay… the darker the better, but dip into some colors too ! Green, red, blue !

morphs into a pottery bowl and exits with the sound of a spinning coin

Namase !

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[quote]Ahuae wrote:

morphs into a pottery bowl and exits with the sound of a spinning coin

Namase ![/quote]

Shouldn’t that be written “Namaste”? You certainly put a lot of effort into this post :slight_smile:

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Ah yes… but I’ve adapted it for the net :smiley:

I’m so feeling better, I will definately get the last filling I have at the end of the week.

I’ve read alot and finally chelation is not a bad idea, but BEFORE you start eat shitloads of zeolite and dip in clay baths for at least a week to get the superficial amount out, then the chelator DMSA will be perfect for the job of detoxifying your nerves, keep drinking zeolite adter your body absorbe the DMSA and to dip in clay baths, should be over in a week or two.

Wonderful !

Namase :slight_smile:

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Did insurance cover the amalgam removal? If so, can you be kind enough and disclose the name of the insurance provider. I am looking to have all my amalgams removed and replaced with a ceramic component called DiamondCrown, its considered the safest and most effective replacement.

My doctor quoted my $275-400 per tooth (depending on the size) I don’t mind paying 2k-3k to have them removed, but I would rather see if insurance will at least cover a portion of it.

I also feel that sauna is the safest and one of the most effective ways to detoxify the body of toxins. I have not tried the clay method, but I reckon it would be somewhat effective for detox.

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[quote]kaz555 wrote:
Did insurance cover the amalgam removal? If so, can you be kind enough and disclose the name of the insurance provider.
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MetLife. I don’t know if it mattered or not, but my amalgams were quite old and needed replaced any way. In any case, my dentist only charged the normal price for replacement, which was $110 per tooth. He is a biological dentist and, yeah, he used the Diamond crown as well.

Do make sure though that your dentist is familiar with proper amalgam removal procedures. He should use a dam and give you oxygen to breathe during the procedure to reduce inhalation of mercury. I assume that if he knows about Diamond crown is he has been trained in proper amalgam removal, but check just to be sure. If he says something to the effect that it’s just like removing and replacing any ole filling, find another dentist.

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I also feel that sauna is the safest and one of the most effective ways to detoxify the body of toxins. I have not tried the clay method, but I reckon it would be somewhat effective for detox.[/quote]

Ideas vary on this. I don’t want to pass myself off as an expert, since I am just passing on information that I’ve received. I think most experts think either that sauna will help or, at least, won’t hurt. Cutler, on the other hand, (I am not following his protocol) seems to think that it may cause redistribution of the mercury (not a good thing). In any case, the people recommending saunas say that infrared sauna is the only one that will remove any toxins from tissue.

I don’t think anyone thinks that saunas alone will effectively detox mercury and other metals. What other stuff are you going to do for detox? Admittedly, the way I am doing it-DMPS IVs- is more expensive; DMSA oral chelation is much cheaper.

Good luck and keep us abreast of how you proceed. I am getting my second DMPS IV today and I will report on that afterwards.

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It’s funny even for doctors here in canada DMPS, DMSA and other chelators are illegal.

You can use mega-dose vitamin C as a chelator (2000-4000 mg ester-c not ascorbate) along with chlorella (few grams a day as binder) and garlic capsules (equivalent to 3-5 grams garlic a day) and Coriander essential oil (5-6 drops twice a day) to get the mercury out of your nerves. If you can afford a sauna to open your pores, then rub yourself in wetted clay just as you get out, and then let it dry, this “sucks the shit” out of you, and you’d be surprised the quantity of clinical anecdotes about it working magic, the more ion exchange your clay is purported to do , the better.

It’s no surprise even farm animals remember that when they’re sickly or intoxicated they will find a pit of mud and hide there for a week or two, it really works. Heck it worked for me, and I was at the stage where I bumped my numb big toes everywhere, when I leaned over I let escape about 50 ml of saliva that comes from nowhere, I had huge memory losses, and worse too.

Those chelators must not be very cheap either so where I see big money I’m usually very sceptical as to the legitimacy ; why bother when nature has its ways ?

Namase !

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Another thing that scares the shit out of me is the fact that

Testosterone binds with mercury, thus rendering it invulnerable to chelators. The chelators can then only pick up the free-floating heavy metals.

The drug Lupron has been used for many years to lower testosterone and has an excellent safety record according to the Geiers, with many people remaining on it for five to ten years. It is the treatment of choice among medical professionals for precocious puberty.

The Geiers theorized that if they were able to temporarily turn off testosterone production with lupron, they might be able to release these trapped stores of mercury.

[S]ubjects having a high level of mercury frequently, but not always, also exhibit high levels of one or more androgens, particularly, total serum testosterone. In these instances, as the level of one or more androgens (such as the level of total serum testosterone) in the subject increases, the higher the amount of one or more of said androgens (such as testosterone) is available to bind with mercury. When the one or more androgens bind with mercury, a complex is formed. These androgen-mercury chloride complexes (particularly testosterone-mercury chloride complexes) are difficult to remove from the subject with a chelating agent.

�?�By reducing the amount of testosterone being produced in a subject determined to have high levels of mercury, less testosterone is available to bind to mercury. Because few testosterone-mercury complexes are formed, if necessary, more mercury can be removed by administering to the subject at least one chelating agent. Additionally, the pharmaceutically effective amount of at least one luteinizing hormone releasing hormone will lower androgen levels and may raise glutathione levels. The higher glutathione levels may allow for a more effective removal of the mercury and thus indirectly, the use of a pharmaceutically effective amount of at least one luteinizing hormone release hormone may, by itself, also help to lower the body burden of mercury.

[A]t least one antiandrogenic hormone can be optionally administered to a subject. This treatment is administered to a subject because as the testosterone-mercury complexes begin to break apart, there is the potential to release biologically active testosterone into the body. The result is that the released biologically active testosterone may interact at the cellular level with deposit of mercury within cells, and thus produce testosterone-mercury toxicity to such cells. The at least one antiandrogenic hormone administered to a subject can help minimize the functioning of released biologically active testosterone, and hence minimize the potential for testosterone-mercury toxicity to cells within the subject
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[quote]Ahuae wrote:
Those chelators must not be very cheap either so where I see big money I’m usually very sceptical as to the legitimacy ; why bother when nature has its ways ?

Namase ![/quote]

Actually, if you were to take an oral chelator, like DMSA, it’s quite cheap. Admittedly, doing the DMPS IVs like me is quite expensive.

The only problem I have with the things that you suggest is that there are no tests showing how much, if any, mercury they pull. DMPS and DMSA have been studied using tests. DMPS has not been tested in the US, but it has been thoroughly tested in Germany. DMSA has been tested in the US.

So, I am not saying that clay, saunas or whatever don’t work. I am just saying that I prefer to stay with something that has been tested. In any case, it would be interesting if you would get your mercury levels tested (not a blood test…since that will only estimate how much is floating around in your blood) along the way.

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[quote]kaz555 wrote:
[S]ubjects having a high level of mercury frequently, but not always, also exhibit high levels of one or more androgens, particularly, total serum testosterone.
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Kaz, this is an interesting study that you cite. I am wondering why someone with high levels of mercury would exhibit high levels of an androgen. This is of personal concern since I have a fairly high Total testosterone level for my age. I am 48 and have a Total Testosterone in the 800s and I am not on any testosterone replacement protocol.

Did you get this off pub-med? I’d like to get a copy and pass it along to my Doctor.

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So, I just got back from my second DMPS IV at the doctor’s.
I started getting a little dizzy when about three ccs were administered; so, even though, I was to have 5 ccs administered originally.

I did get my results back from the mercury testing done by Doctor’s Data lab. My mercury levels were at 11 mcg/g creat (the reference range is < 3), which rates as very elevated. Next time I go, I will get this tested again next time. The doctor tells me that mercury levels tested sometimes in the beginning spike upward after the DMPS administration as the mercury is released from tissue.

My other metals were not too high. In fact, none was out of the reference range.

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Ethoogens, did you have all your fillings done in one day? if so, how long did the process take? Did you feel any different after having them replaced?

I’m thinking about taking 2 trips to the dentist office, one session for the right side and the other for the left side. My dentist recommended that I replace the fillings on one side of the mouth and not have both sides done on the same day.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
entheogens wrote:

Mr. Chen, I have read about half Cutler’s book now. In truth, I don’t know what to make of it. It appears that some people have had bad results from intravenous chelation and Cutler argues their case.

Others have had good experiences doing the intravenous chelation. This is one confusing subject and the debate between the various proponents remind me some of the endless debates on training/diet one will find up here on T-Nation :slight_smile:

I have asked for an initial low dose of DMPS during the intravenous chelation. If I see any sign of really bad effects of redistribution, I will stop and reassess.

Cutler obviously has great credentials. Other people with good credentials disagree with him. I will proceed with caution.
[/quote]

The main thing is to be as informed as possible. Don’t follow any doctor blindly.

I’m curious, did you discuss Culter with your doctor?

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[quote]kaz555 wrote:
Ethoogens, did you have all your fillings done in one day? if so, how long did the process take? Did you feel any different after having them replaced?

I’m thinking about taking 2 trips to the dentist office, one session for the right side and the other for the left side. My dentist recommended that I replace the fillings on one side of the mouth and not have both sides done on the same day.[/quote]

Well, I had about 10 or 11 amalgams and so, yes, it did take two visits, of about an hour each time. He did do one side each time. That is part of the correct protocol.

I would say that you don’t NECESSARILY feel anything immediately after. In fact, there is the possibility that you could feel a little worse, because even if your dentist is super careful there is the chance that some mercury gets into you. I wouldn’t worry about that too much. Sounds like your dentist knows what s/he is doing.

Now that I am detoxing, I am feeling a little better. However, as the mercury gets mobilized I have brief periods when I feel side-effects of that. I get an occasional headache (I know it’s the detox because I never get headaches otherwise), but not too bad and not too long.
I also have brief periods where my heart races.

My understanding from other people who have detoxed is that usually progress is not linear and that, depending on how much mercury you have in you, detox could take anywhere from a few months to, in the worst cases, a couple of years.

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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:

The main thing is to be as informed as possible. Don’t follow any doctor blindly.

I’m curious, did you discuss Culter with your doctor?
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Yes, I discussed Cutler’s protocol with the doctor (he is familiar with it) and he offered to follow the Cutler protocol, if I so choosed.

I elected to go with the DMPS IV protocol. I did some research and there are just a lot of people who have done very well with DMPS IV. There are even people who didn’t seem to be getting much mercury out with the DMSA, who then switched to DMPS IVs.

I don’t doubt that some people are super sensitive to DMPS IV. In fact, there are some people who are sensitive to DMSA.

After my mercury tests indicate that my mercury has gone down significantly, the doctor will substitute the IVs with DMPS oral chelation. Right now, I have done two DMPS IVs. After the fifth one, we will assess where I am at.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
Yes, I discussed Cutler’s protocol with the doctor (he is familiar with it) and he offered to follow the Cutler protocol, if I so choosed.[/quote]

So like you’ve gotten a hold of an informed doctor.

How are you assessing your mercury levels?