The Mercury DeToxification Thread

[quote]entheogens wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:

Chlorella is loaded with iron though. Have you looked into IP-6?

I hadn’t thought of this. Tell me about IP-6?

I have decided that I am going to get medical assistance on the chelation bit. Have an appointment for the 29th April. Probably will get on DMSA and have occasional EDTA IV drips. Anybody had experience with this?

Just the fact that Chlorella is full of iron (something I would rather not load up on, since I already have too much) shows that I don’t know what I am doing :slight_smile:

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Have you taken a look into pyrophyllite clay? It has some good research on it and quite possibly is even better than bentonite clay (which is a powerful healing/detox clay unto itself)

Look into “Ion foot bath” or something. I don’t know if it works or if it’s a scam, but it’s supposed to help for heavy metal detox (no, not the music!)

[quote]BigKDawg wrote:
anoddparadigm wrote:
Undone wrote:
You might also want to take a look at this article:

That is a very good website.

Actually that is an absolutely horrendous website… totally anti-alternative. Now dont get me wrong, their are plenty of hucksters out their looking to make a buck promising everything under the sun… but this site is so g-d damn mainstream medicine that if anything deviates from the supposed superiority of “Modern Medicine” (meaning drugs, surgery, chemo, etc…) than its a scam, quackery, or total horseshit.

Suffice to say, Stephen Barret is a fucking idiot.[/quote]

I am not really sure what “alternative medicine” is. There is medicine that has passed double blind studies, and there is medicine that hasn’t. Scientist are never biased against any methods, millions is spent researching new ideas which are not considered mainstream and could be considered alternative. If the studies show they are effective they become ‘mainstream medicine’, if they come out null they are tossed out.

[quote]anoddparadigm wrote:
I am not really sure what “alternative medicine” is. There is medicine that has passed double blind studies, and there is medicine that hasn’t. Scientist are never biased against any methods, millions is spent researching new ideas which are not considered mainstream and could be considered alternative. If the studies show they are effective they become ‘mainstream medicine’, if they come out null they are tossed out.[/quote]

I agree that a well-designed TRIPLE blind study should be paid attention to. However, deciding how well-designed a study is, how it is interpreted, what studies get neglected (that may show otherwise) and what studies get POPULARIZED (often due to financial, egotistical or political agendas…outside the realm of pure science) are points that must be considered.

I think most people on T-Nation have seen through the SCAM that has been perpetuated by “OFFICIAL” science regarding low-fat diets. We should be sceptical towards all the various schools of medicine. However, after sifting through what appears to be contradictory evidence, we have to act.

[quote]entheogens wrote:
anoddparadigm wrote:
I agree that a well-designed TRIPLE blind study should be paid attention to. However, deciding how well-designed a study is, how it is interpreted, what studies get neglected (that may show otherwise) and what studies get POPULARIZED (often due to financial, egotistical or political agendas…outside the realm of pure science) are points that must be considered.

I think most people on T-Nation have seen through the SCAM that has been perpetuated by “OFFICIAL” science regarding low-fat diets. We should be sceptical towards all the various schools of medicine. However, after sifting through what appears to be contradictory evidence, we have to act.
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I won’t disagree with that. Just remember there is a difference between the scientist doing research and what happens to it afterwards. The research that gets popularized is really beyond our control. A lot of people don’t seem to know how the scientist community works, we are actually very very cruel to our peers research. When someone publishes research no one is more critical of it then his colleagues. Scientists make mistakes, but we will always change our minds when or continued research shows are previous guesses or theories were incorrect or incomplete.

[quote]BigKDawg wrote:
anoddparadigm wrote:
Undone wrote:
You might also want to take a look at this article:

That is a very good website.

Actually that is an absolutely horrendous website… totally anti-alternative. Now dont get me wrong, their are plenty of hucksters out their looking to make a buck promising everything under the sun… but this site is so g-d damn mainstream medicine that if anything deviates from the supposed superiority of “Modern Medicine” (meaning drugs, surgery, chemo, etc…) than its a scam, quackery, or total horseshit.

Suffice to say, Stephen Barret is a fucking idiot.[/quote]

[quote]BigKDawg wrote:
anoddparadigm wrote:
Undone wrote:
You might also want to take a look at this article:

That is a very good website.

Actually that is an absolutely horrendous website… totally anti-alternative. Now dont get me wrong, their are plenty of hucksters out their looking to make a buck promising everything under the sun… but this site is so g-d damn mainstream medicine that if anything deviates from the supposed superiority of “Modern Medicine” (meaning drugs, surgery, chemo, etc…) than its a scam, quackery, or total horseshit.

Suffice to say, Stephen Barret is a fucking idiot.[/quote]

[quote]anoddparadigm wrote:
I won’t disagree with that. Just remember there is a difference between the scientist doing research and what happens to it afterwards. The research that gets popularized is really beyond our control. A lot of people don’t seem to know how the scientist community works, we are actually very very cruel to our peers research. When someone publishes research no one is more critical of it then his colleagues. Scientists make mistakes, but we will always change our minds when or continued research shows are previous guesses or theories were incorrect or incomplete.[/quote]

Yes, I agree with you. It is often not the researcher’s fault how results are twisted by politicians, ambitious pharmaceutical scientists, and those who are in love with a particular theory.

My problem with sites like Quackwatch is that they would like to pose as the final word in science. I think there is room for debate on this particular subject (and many, many others) but when you start labelling those with opposing views as quacks you have framed the debate in an unfair way.

Being an M.D. does not make you a researcher. However, when someone has an M.D. after his/her name and s/he makes certain remarks about research that has been done, a lot of people accept it as the word of God. This holds true for those MDs who support more conventional views as well as those who have more alternative views. Their MD title does not guarantee that they even know the difference between a well-designed study and a poorly designed study. And the temptation on their part to “cherry-pick” research information is always there for a myriad of reasons.

Ok, I have decided to shift course a little bit. Instead of using exclusively oral chelation herbs/vitamins, I have decided to pursue intravenous chelation…probably DMPS or DMSA. I will PROBABLY be doing intravenous with DMPS and some oral chelation with DMSA.

By the way, if anybody reading this is ever interested in finding an MD that does chelation therapy, you can search here: American College for Advancement in Medicine (ACAM)

Thanks to someone here who was critical of chlorella, I did some more research and found out indeed that there is no evidence it aids in detoxification. The doctor whom I saw about the intravenous chelation also said as much.

The doctor had some lab tests run on me (namely checking Vitamin D, B12, and neurotransmitters) and advised me to take a few supplements prior to my first intravenous chelation which will take place in three weeks (he wants to get lab results back first, before beginning chelation). Some of the supplements are just general stuff that I am already taking…a multivitamin, a combination of anti-oxidants, zinc, etc. He seems to be very keen on glutathione, and a particular type of glutathione supplement that helps the body absorb it.
He recommends this one:
http://www.readisorb.com/readisorb_liposomal_glutathione.html

Ask your dentist what those tooth color fillings contain. Perhaps one of the ingredients could be Bisphenol A. Also ask if the material used in your teeth has been tested for estrogenicity.
Its easy to assume that because the fillings are white and look “natural” that they are perfectly safe.

As an example look at sealants that are placed on teeth to prevent cavities, frequently used in children. There is an oxygen inhibited layer that has a heavy release of estrogen mimicking substances. Give it a little time and I am certain that these “tooth” colored fillings will come out in headlines - dangerous material used by dentists hurting patients.
The best material, always was and always will be, is a beautiful yellow substance that has gone up in price the last few years.
As a side note, I dislike amalgam too.

Entheogens,

I would recommend you read Andrew Cutler’s book- Almalgam Illness Diagnosis and Treatment. He is a PhD registered chemist. Get it from noamalgam.com. This one, and his book on hair analysis are on Amazon, you can read the reviews.

It is not easy to diagnosis this. Do you have some serious symptoms that you are fairly sure are mercury related, that you are going do intravenous treatment? The chelation will not move the mercury out of the organs, or bone. Do you know about the dangers of of displacing the mercury if you treat a this kind of toxicity incorrectly?

In short, Cutler says doing it wrong can be worse than doing nothing. I highly recommend his book.

[quote]anoddparadigm wrote:
BigKDawg wrote:
anoddparadigm wrote:
Undone wrote:
You might also want to take a look at this article:

That is a very good website.

Actually that is an absolutely horrendous website… totally anti-alternative. Now dont get me wrong, their are plenty of hucksters out their looking to make a buck promising everything under the sun… but this site is so g-d damn mainstream medicine that if anything deviates from the supposed superiority of “Modern Medicine” (meaning drugs, surgery, chemo, etc…) than its a scam, quackery, or total horseshit.

Suffice to say, Stephen Barret is a fucking idiot.

I am not really sure what “alternative medicine” is. There is medicine that has passed double blind studies, and there is medicine that hasn’t. Scientist are never biased against any methods, millions is spent researching new ideas which are not considered mainstream and could be considered alternative. If the studies show they are effective they become ‘mainstream medicine’, if they come out null they are tossed out.[/quote]

But here is the main dilema… their is no research or very little on the use of alternative medicine as standard treatment protocols. Like for example… many healing modalities are used in cancer therapy as adjuncts to the conventional treatment to decrease/mitigate or boost the effects of the main therapy. However, you almost never see many of these approaches used as the main treatment option even though a lot of the latest research in the nutritional sciences clearly shows the benefits of the power of food.
I damn near guarentee if you saw a research study utilizing the Budwig protocol as first line treatment for cancer, the results would be nothing short of amazing. The likelihood of that happening… Zero. Nada. Zilch. The whole purpose of the ACS is to make sure of the continued existence of cancer. Think about it, if cancer wasnt around, then the ACS would have no reason to even exist and utilize its “cutting-edge” therapies of chemo, radiation and surgery (Im sorry I just cant stop laughing or crying as a result of the patheticness of that last statement) Ive seen far too many people go down that path with nothing but negative connotations to realize that chemo and radiation in the treatment of cancer is for the most part, completely and utterly worthless. This is coming from a nurse tech (soon to be nurse) working on an oncology unit.

[quote]pticka wrote:
Ask your dentist what those tooth color fillings contain. Perhaps one of the ingredients could be Bisphenol A. Also ask if the material used in your teeth has been tested for estrogenicity.
Its easy to assume that because the fillings are white and look “natural” that they are perfectly safe.
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Pticka, I have now had all amalgams removed and replaced.
As I said earlier, my dentist is a biological dentist, one who has been trained in the proper removal and replacement of mercury amalgams by the organization I mentioned in my initial post.

Nonetheless, there is a lot I don’t know. I don’t know how valid these tests are for determining biocompatibility of the material put into the teeth. I will definitely ask him the questions you raise when I see him next time.

[quote]BigKDawg wrote:
I damn near guarentee if you saw a research study utilizing the Budwig protocol as first line treatment for cancer, the results would be nothing short of amazing. The likelihood of that happening… Zero. Nada. Zilch. The whole purpose of the ACS is to make sure of the continued existence of cancer. Think about it, if cancer wasnt around, then the ACS would have no reason to even exist and utilize its “cutting-edge” therapies of chemo, radiation and surgery (Im sorry I just cant stop laughing or crying as a result of the patheticness of that last statement) Ive seen far too many people go down that path with nothing but negative connotations to realize that chemo and radiation in the treatment of cancer is for the most part, completely and utterly worthless. This is coming from a nurse tech (soon to be nurse) working on an oncology unit.[/quote]

BigKDawg: Yes, and part of me can understand this. I’ve seen in my own work, projects contiune and be expanded, not due to their usefullness but just because some people feared for their own jobs and/or position of power and happened to have the political clout to do so. So this problem is ubiquitous. That’s bad enough, but it is a tragedy when that happens in a way that is affecting the health and life of people.

And, then, too, when we hear that there has been a study confirming the usefulness and safety of a given drug, we assume it must be true (who has time to hunt down and read all these studies!). However, just last week I read about how Merck sponsored studies in which they had their own people write up the report and conclusions and then just had some big name doctors come and put their name on the studies. This apparently was the case with the now infamous Vioxx. I am not criticizing good triple blind studies by any means. However, it’s apparent that some of these purported objective studies are not that objective, as in the case of Vioxx.

From my undestanding (correct me if I am wrong), nutritional studies are some of the most difficult to conduct, because they must take place over a fairly long period of time outside of a laboratory setting and how can one control for all the things that a subject might eat, take, do etc during that time.

Anyway, glad to get the input from someone with a strong background in oncology such as you have. I will be thinking about some of these things you have posted.

[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
Entheogens,

I would recommend you read Andrew Cutler’s book- Almalgam Illness Diagnosis and Treatment. He is a PhD registered chemist. Get it from noamalgam.com. This one, and his book on hair analysis are on Amazon, you can read the reviews.

It is not easy to diagnosis this. Do you have some serious symptoms that you are fairly sure are mercury related, that you are going do intravenous treatment? The chelation will not move the mercury out of the organs, or bone. Do you know about the dangers of of displacing the mercury if you treat a this kind of toxicity incorrectly?
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Thanks Mr. Chen. I have not read Cutler’s book, though I have read other things. I shall get the book though.

It depends on what you consider “serious”. I have been suffering from bad insomnia for many years (at least 25 years). I have pretty bad “brain fog” and have some memory issues, despite the fact that I had an exceptional memory (according to others, including my professors) when I was at university. I have also had a couple of bouts with anxiety attacks and phobias. As I said before, I had my metals tested a few years ago and mercury was OFF THE CHART. Do I know 100 percent that my symptoms are caused by mercury? No, I do not. However, they are consistent with other people who have had (and treated) mercury issues. My doctor also says they are consistent with those cases he is familiar with.

Yes, I understand that one can “stir the pot” and cause more problems; however, my life has been quite compromised by the above symptoms. Anyone who has had chronic insomnia will understand (I take 30 mgs of amitrypyline which helps) how debilitating it can be. So, I have tried everything that mainstream allopathy medicine has to offer. I have tried acupuncture. I took the behaviorial modification sleep class at Stanford University. I was in a sleep lab at Stanford University. I have tried hypnosis. I lived in Europe for many years and tried three different types of homeopathy. My point is that I have ruled out a number of things and tried a number of things. It may turn out that this is another dead end. However, the possibility that this may be attributed to metal toxicity is compelling enough for me to give it a try.

I am very confident in the doctor who is going to be doing this. He specializes in metal detoxification and my conversations with him lend me to have confidence in him. That’s not just intellectual, it’s a gut intuitive things.

I hadn’t read this entire post so if this was already mentioned, I apologize.

You may want to try an Ionic Foot Bath (Cleanse). One treatment and you’ll be able to know for sure if you have heavy metals in your system.

After the treatment you’ll be seeing black flecks in the dirty water that was once clean. You can usually find these treatments from Chiropractic centers or where they have holistic alternative medicine.

The technology was developed by the Russians in the cold war for their cosmonauts. Then it was adapted for their olympic athletes.

Pretty cool stuff, be sure to take a good multi-vitamin/mineral formula as it takes away all impurities.

[quote]entheogens wrote:
BigKDawg wrote:
I damn near guarentee if you saw a research study utilizing the Budwig protocol as first line treatment for cancer, the results would be nothing short of amazing. The likelihood of that happening… Zero. Nada. Zilch. The whole purpose of the ACS is to make sure of the continued existence of cancer. Think about it, if cancer wasnt around, then the ACS would have no reason to even exist and utilize its “cutting-edge” therapies of chemo, radiation and surgery (Im sorry I just cant stop laughing or crying as a result of the patheticness of that last statement) Ive seen far too many people go down that path with nothing but negative connotations to realize that chemo and radiation in the treatment of cancer is for the most part, completely and utterly worthless. This is coming from a nurse tech (soon to be nurse) working on an oncology unit.

BigKDawg: Yes, and part of me can understand this. I’ve seen in my own work, projects contiune and be expanded, not due to their usefullness but just because some people feared for their own jobs and/or position of power and happened to have the political clout to do so. So this problem is ubiquitous. That’s bad enough, but it is a tragedy when that happens in a way that is affecting the health and life of people.

And, then, too, when we hear that there has been a study confirming the usefulness and safety of a given drug, we assume it must be true (who has time to hunt down and read all these studies!). However, just last week I read about how Merck sponsored studies in which they had their own people write up the report and conclusions and then just had some big name doctors come and put their name on the studies. This apparently was the case with the now infamous Vioxx. I am not criticizing good triple blind studies by any means. However, it’s apparent that some of these purported objective studies are not that objective, as in the case of Vioxx.

From my undestanding (correct me if I am wrong), nutritional studies are some of the most difficult to conduct, because they must take place over a fairly long period of time outside of a laboratory setting and how can one control for all the things that a subject might eat, take, do etc during that time.

Anyway, glad to get the input from someone with a strong background in oncology such as you have. I will be thinking about some of these things you have posted.

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Dont quote me as being traditionally anti-MD. Its just I am results based and if I were to consult with anyone who has cancer on what questions to ask their doctor, one of the first ones would be “What has been your track record with treating this kind of cancer?” Sad to say, at least looking at the statistics with an objective bias, you would find that chemotherapy and radiation are both largely ineffectual for the vast majority of cancers (90+%), not to mention that those that choose the conventional BIG 3 (Chemo,Rad, Surgery) often suffer an immeasureable drop in their quality of life which I have seen far too often which both saddens me and angers me that I’m working in a broken system where the real solutions are scoffed at, humilated, or viciously attacked. Its true of course your gonna have your individuals who tolerate the treatment and end up cancer-free but these are more the exceptions than the rule.

Dont think for a second that the ACS hasnt used its sway and influence to subjegate the monopoly of conventional medicine over the years to destroy or discredit legitimate alternative options. The biggest problem with many people in regards to healing from cancer is that the measures to which you will have to change often are more than people are willing to accept. Change often can be a bitch, but if you are diagnosed with cancer, you better be quick to adapt to it. What would I do if I ever got diagnosed with cancer? Thats for another discussion :slight_smile:


If you want one of the most provocative, mind-opening critical looks at cancer, I highly recommend this book (Definetly not ACS approved!)

[quote]BigKDawg wrote:

Dont quote me as being traditionally anti-MD.
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No, I don’t think so and neither am I.

Well, I, for one, would enjoy reading what you have to say on the matter, either in this thread or in an independent one. I am sure that a number of T-Nationers would benefit from your knowledge of this subject.

entheogens,

You certainly do have a nasty set of symptoms. I’m assuming your doc has already done the endocrine testing. Hormones that naturally decrease with age such as thyroid, pregnenolone, DHEA can be supplemented before you finish detox (which Cutler says takes at least a year by the way). How about allergies? Check this clinic out in that regard: lacrosseallergy.com. My wife and I are going there this summer.

Hope you can solve your problem and get some relief.