[quote]brentf13 wrote:
If Androxal works as advertised and hits the market this year as proposed it’s going to change TRT all together. If your testes are up to speed TRT is going to become 1 Androxal and 1/4mg of Adex every other day. [/quote]
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Androxal is no longer being developed for TRT purposes. It is only being developed as a fertility drug and for type 2 diabetes.
Huge letdown.
I understand this thread has taken on a life of its own, but it’s all very interesting.
The clinic near me practices twice weekly injections of HCG to maintain fertility. I assume that is my answer.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
I understand this thread has taken on a life of its own, but it’s all very interesting.
The clinic near me practices twice weekly injections of HCG to maintain fertility. I assume that is my answer.[/quote]
Sounds good. You may want to read a little about dosing of HCG also. Many clinics inject huge amounts of HCG at a time without knowing that it can lead to desensitization and conversion to estrogen. Dr. Crisler suggests no more than 500IU/day.
Here is a very informative article he wrote about HCG…
All Things Male - Center for Men's Health
No worries on Androxal. You can still use it for hypogonadism. It doesn’t matter if it’s off label use for hypogonadism, I’m sure a Dr will script it. I think you’re way more likely to get a script for that than T cyp. We all know how doctors feel about writing that script.
Lucky for me my family Dr will write a script for just about anything I want as long as he’s in agreement it won’t do any harm. I normally educate him on these issues so he’s the one asking the questions.
By the way the fuck you I’m an anteater pic cracks me up.
Another thing you have to think about is cost. Test cyp with self injections at around 100mg a week will cost you about 30 bucks a month whereas Androgel is around 250. For those without insurance this can be a big factor. We all know T-Cyp works for just about everyone but you can’t say the same for the topicals. Personally I had rather put up with a couple of pin pricks a week than smear goop all over me every day. Now to find a doctor that will let you do that is another problem all together.
[quote]brentf13 wrote:
No worries on Androxal. You can still use it for hypogonadism. It doesn’t matter if it’s off label use for hypogonadism, I’m sure a Dr will script it. I think you’re way more likely to get a script for that than T cyp. We all know how doctors feel about writing that script.
Lucky for me my family Dr will write a script for just about anything I want as long as he’s in agreement it won’t do any harm. I normally educate him on these issues so he’s the one asking the questions. [/quote]
Sorry to veer off topic again anteater, this is probably worthy of a thread of its own, but from what I gather, Androxal is the beneficial ingredient in Clomid, which would make it a SERM, right?
I haven’t done much research on the drug, but how would taking Androxal long term be safe if it’s a SERM? It has been known to cause vision problems, similar to those reported with SERM usage. Not trying to debate the subject, just curious to know if you have heard something different. It would make HRT much more simple if it could be used as anticipated.
It should work well in theory. It’s clomid without the agonist portion of the med. Without the agonist it shouldn’t have the estrogen effects on mood and libido. The vision problems with clomid are dose related. I know that came about from PCT use at really high doses. Lower doses weren’t an issue.
As for the liver sides I’ve heard of them but never really researched them much. You’ll have to educate me on that one. I’m guessing they are also caused by the agonist side over working liver attempting to clear the drug as it would an estrogen?
I haven’t heard anything about liver issues either… you must’ve read that somewhere else. I’m getting contradicting information from different sources. I initially read that it was a SARM and then read that it was nothing more than a SERM. Either way, I have read that it has caused vision problems in low doses, that is why the FDA put the kabosh on it for TRT.
You are already running the GHRP-6 and CJC-1295. Maybe you can be the resident T-Nation guinea pig and give it a trial run 
I lab rat everything and I’m still kicking. I am using GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 but I am very skeptical. I seriously don’t see how this can be as or more effective than HGH. I also lean towards HGH not causing many issues using 2iu or less 4-5 days a week. Once the HGH shows up I’m switching. Even if the peps did work injecting them twice a day is a pain to deal with especially if you’re using T cyp and HCG. You end up turning into a pin cushion.
My curiosity about HGH got the best of me so I plan on using it for 8 months and see what I get out of it. If it puts me back on the basketball court I’ll be happy. At 36 that sport has used my knees up.
I’m going to start a new AI thread soon too. I ran into a situation where I hit the wall of effectiveness of Adex and I’m going to switch to Aromasin. Even using 1/2mg a day of Adex wouldn’t get my E2 low enough. It was hanging around 30 which I didn’t think was to bad. Last week I threw in some DIM with it and two days later morning wood.
Bottom line is I’ve either developed a tolerance to Adex after two years or the drug itself just isn’t strong enough for me. I tend to make a lot of E2 no matter what protocol I’m on. Hopefully Aromasin will be a better choice for me.
NeelyDan,
There is no such thing as supplemental testosterone. You need to understand what that means.
Yes, bad choice of words, I get it. The testosterone isn’t in addition to, it replaces the body’s natural source entirely. I do get that.