The Left Using Homophobic Remarks?

forlife · October 1, 2010, 2:44pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
For good reason. People tend to screw it up when they start trying to Lord it over others.[/quote]

Ha ha, lord it over? I love that one. I point out the health statistics for homosexuals and I’m “lording it over you.” Ha ha, you’re a funny little man.[/quote]

No genius, you cherry pick a statistic applying to a tiny minority (2%) of male gays and twist it to condemn 70% of gays in a completely dishonest interpretation of the statistic.

And it’s obvious why. You believe homosexuality is disgusting, sinful, and morally reprehensible. Your “statistics” are a thinly veiled attempt to justify your homophobia, despite every major medical and mental health organization saying you are dead wrong.

I get it. You love the sinner, but hate the sin. You want to help the poor gays because you know what will truly make them happy. Problem is, it doesn’t work that way. And logic like that is the reason people feel justified capturing their gay roommate on webcam and tweeting about how gross it is that he is making out with another guy. Homophobes are a big part of the reason that gays feel shame, depression, and self-revulsion to the point that they would rather jump off a bridge than continue enduring it.

forlife · October 1, 2010, 2:55pm

Zeb, if you really do believe that people can be in a same sex relationship and be healthy, stop trying to tell people they should change their orientation and instead encourage people to live sexually responsible lives.

The major medical and mental health organizations (including the CDC) unanimously agree that trying to change one’s orientation is not recommended, and has significant potential for harm.

Then again, I’m not convinced you really do believe that. I think you oppose homosexuality on moral/religious grounds, and think people shouldn’t be gay even if they are healthy and happy in their lives.

ZEB · October 1, 2010, 3:24pm

[quote]forlife wrote:

No genius, you cherry pick a statistic applying to a tiny minority (2%) of male gays and twist it to condemn 70% of gays in a completely dishonest interpretation of the statistic.[/quote]

You really should not have come back on this thread forlife, or maybe stayed under a different screen name. Anyway, I have given many statistics and I will continue to do so. If you are stating that only 2% of homosexuals have health problems that is one of the biggest lies that you’ve ever told on these threads, and you’ve told some whoppers! I spelled out a number of diseases that effect homosexuals both male and female - funny how you never responded to that post. Overwhelming isn’t it?

I’ve explained to you a number of times that we all have moral boundaries, even you. That yours are different than mine does not matter. What does matter is that your own people are dying at a higher rate than any other group, and you don’t seem to care. All you and your mighty gay groups can do is scream homophobe at the top of your lungs. Tell me has it helped? How many lives have you saved from the time you first called me a homophobe to this point? Tell me forlife, what good have you done? Is it just all about YOU and how good you feel with your gay lover? Is that all there is in your life? Is there no compassion for others? It doesn’t seem so.

That’s pure bullshit AND you know it. In the Netherlands where homosexuality is no big deal, and in fact gay marriage has been legal for almost 10 years the suicide rates are just as high for homosexuals as they are in the US. NOw why do you suppose that is? Could it be the lifestyle that drives those people to jump off the bridge you mentioned? You need to grow up and face the facts. You live in a dream world forlife. But there is no amount of twisting and turning of facts which will save even one gay man from the many ugly consequences that face him when he lives the gay lifestyle!

If you post back I want you to respond to a previous post of mine which has the many ugly diseases that plague the gay community. If you don’t respond to that one post that will show me and anyone else who reads this that you are in fact dodging the facts in order to spread your politically correct propaganda loaded with name calling but void of truth.

ReignIB · October 1, 2010, 3:25pm

Couple of thoughts on the subject.

Nature vs. Nurture - who cares? What if science declares that some other “non-standard” behavior is also embedded in person’s behavior/psyche before birth? Should it all be allowed?
Bigotry, etc. Before using that term check to see if there’s any group of individuals you dislike, cuz if there is - you’re a bigot yourself. And since nobody likes everybody, everyone is a “bigot” to a certain extent.

forlife · October 1, 2010, 3:46pm

Zeb, I’m happy to respond to your other “statistics” once you man up and admit that you dishonestly misrepresented the CDC hiv statistic as applying to 70% of gay men, rather than 2%.

And stop misrepresenting me, while you’re at it. I have said several times in this thread that I strongly support gay men living sexually responsible lives, and that spreading HIV is morally reprehensible.

Allowing gay marriage is a good first step, but it hardly eliminates all homophobia. If the congress were to sanction gay marriage here in the US, I don’t doubt you would be as big a homophobe as ever…probably even more strident than you are now.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recently published a study showing that gay kids with parents that don’t support their orientation are at a significantly higher risk of suicide than are gay kids with supportive parents. Yet despite that, people like you continue to shame and condemn gays. You’re blinded by your revulsion, and you are hurting people in the process.

Eli_B · October 1, 2010, 6:04pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

I don’t blame you, it’s always easier to try to be funny than to actually refute a point. My only complaint, the next time actually be funny.
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I’m sorry it’s hard to take you seriously (and you might know why). But you can follow along as I talk to the other posters.[/quote]

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ZEB wrote:
As I said previously, short of mounting a good argument at least be clever, you’ve done neither.[/quote]

Eli_B · October 1, 2010, 6:08pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
Zeb, I’m happy to respond to your other “statistics” once you man up and admit that you dishonestly misrepresented the CDC hiv statistic as applying to 70% of gay men, rather than 2%.
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I think he mistakenly misrepresented it.

Good several last posts forlife.

Eli_B · October 1, 2010, 6:14pm

[quote]ReignIB wrote:
Couple of thoughts on the subject.

Nature vs. Nurture - who cares? What if science declares that some other “non-standard” behavior is also embedded in person’s behavior/psyche before birth? Should it all be allowed?
Bigotry, etc. Before using that term check to see if there’s any group of individuals you dislike, cuz if there is - you’re a bigot yourself. And since nobody likes everybody, everyone is a “bigot” to a certain extent.[/quote]

Regarding 2:

I certainly have certain prejudices but I don’t choose political candidates to vote for based on those prejudices. Rather when I notice them rearing their heads I try and rationally examine them. Finding them to be unfair, I try and fight them.

forlife · October 1, 2010, 6:21pm

And regarding 1:

Last time I checked, human rights don’t go away just because you aren’t in the majority. Ethnic minorities are “nonstandard”, people with disabilities are “nonstandard”, and fringe religious groups are “nonstandard”. The first two examples are genetic and the third is a choice, but in all cases people are entitled to equal rights under the law.

ZEB · October 1, 2010, 8:51pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
Zeb, I’m happy to respond to your other “statistics”[/quote]

Yes, I’ve read that from you twice now, yet still no response to the many ugly health statistics surrounding homosexuals. Are you going to keep promising? Next post I expect a response to the long list of problems that homosexual men and women face. Come on Mr. expert explain them all away, I’m waiting.

I misrepresented nothing, and you can’t be that dumb, so this must be some sort of twisted strategy. I said, over half of all new HIV cases in the US are from homosexual men and they represent only 1.7 million (or so) of the population. How is that misleading? Get another strategy forlife. Err I mean FORLIAR. You really have earned that nickname, it suits you perfectly and from now on that’s what you will be known as. Unless you apologize for trying to twist the truth into a lie.

Yes, I know you believe that. But, what do you do to help others? Big difference huh? You help no one by running away from data that show your homosexual brothers are killing each other. You want to do NOTHING about it. You seem to think that running around calling everyone a homophobe is the answer. Tell me how much has it helped so far? Are there more or less homosexual dying than 10 years ago?

It did NOTHING to help those in the Netherlands where homosexual marriage is legal. Suicide is still high, STD’s didn’t drop and HIV is the same. How does that make you feel? You are banging a hollow drum my friend, give it up. Oh that’s right you can’t you are a politically correct homosexual who needs to keep pushing the same poison that has killed so many of your brothers. When I see a person do the same old thing that has never worked I always think, they’re either stupid, or driven by something other than the desire to help. Which is it with you?

I see you’re running behind the name calling banner again. Now how does that help your homosexual brothers who are dying and in pain from various diseases? NOT AT ALL! Nice job forliar, real nice. You are a mouth piece for the politically correct and nothing more -tool. Try doing something original and actually help out.

ZEB · October 1, 2010, 8:56pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
And regarding 1:

Last time I checked, human rights don’t go away just because you aren’t in the majority.[/quote]

And the last time I checked people don’t get special rights because they CHOOSE to sleep with someone of the same sex. And I’m sure you realize that over 85% of all homosexual men have had, or continue to have sex with women as well as men!

Get a new song forliar this one is getting old.

forlife · October 1, 2010, 9:12pm

Care to try again?

As for what I’m doing to help gay men, you have no idea and it’s none of your business. And even if I did nothing, it would be better than pushing lies like you do, which actually hurt people.

You ignored my reference to the study by the American Academy of Pediatrics. If you had a gay child, would you still try to change his orientation, knowing that you are increasing his risk of suicide, as was found in this study?

Every major medical and mental health organization says you are dead wrong about homosexuality. Where is your proof the American Academy of Pediatrics was “hijacked” like you claim happened to the APA? How about the American Medical Association? I would love to hear your answer.

ZEB · October 1, 2010, 10:40pm

[quote]forlife wrote:

As for what I’m doing to help gay men, you have no idea and it’s none of your business.[/quote]

You forgot to say “so there.” Get off the crap you’ve done nothing but wear your finger tips to the bone calling me (and others) homophobes on the Internet. You don’t care one whit about the staggering unhealthy practices that are killing homosexual men. All you care about is YOU, and being politically correct.

Yeah that CDC is full of lies. Why you can’t trust a thing that the CDC says. It must be one of those right wing religious movements that you hate so much. No wait, it’s the governments own health site that shows some very accurate statistics regarding the unhealthy practices of gay males. Don’t like that do you? I know, the truth can suck when you’re on the wrong side of it.

I usually ignore idiocy. I’ll be glad to answer that as soon as you, or anyone of repute (not you) can tell me how someone becomes a homosexual to begin with. There are just as many studies which demonstrate that it is nurture instead of nature. But you have to look for those studies because no one wants to be seen as politically incorrect. As I’ve said many times, the first victim of political correctness is the truth.

It’s in one of the blocks of information that you’ve avoided looking at. You remind me of Dracula when someone places a cross. You recoil and run for the bat cave - LOL

One more post and still no answer to the many ugly health problems that homosexuals suffer (which I posted). What’s wrong forliar, isn’t there an answer somewhere in that politically correct play book that you follow?

And, when you finish trying to answer those problems I have at least another 40 pages for you to consider, or should I say try to avoid. Do what you do best, RUN from a problem, oh let’s not get into that yet, there’s plenty of time to pour salt in old wounds.

I’m waiting for your answers.

Eli_B · October 1, 2010, 11:44pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Then you better have a long talk with about 70% of homosexual men.

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well ZEB? Explanation of this?

Eli_B · October 1, 2010, 11:45pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

I’m waiting for your answers.

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ZEB · October 2, 2010, 12:02am

When you’re finished explaining that first round of major health problems here is one more for you.

Now why do you suppose that homosexual men suffer from anal cancer at far higher rate than heterosexual men? Hmm…hey I think I know!

Here’s an article from that right wing religious site “WebMD”. Those hate filled people have an agenda I tell you. They must be homophobes to even bring up such a topic. How dare they tell the truth, they must not be reading the same politically correct material that you are huh?

Gay Men Should Be Checked for Anal Cancer, Experts Say

"WebMD Health-- Gay and bisexual men are at significant risk for developing anal cancer, and testing them for the disease would save many lives, says a new study in the American Journal of Medicine.

Anal cancer in gay men is as common as cervical cancer was in women before the use of the Pap smear, the test used to screen for precancerous spots on the cervix. Both types of cancer are caused by the human papilloma virus, or HPV, which also causes genital warts. The researchers involved in this new study say that Pap smears, which have saved the lives of many women, should also be used to look for anal cancer in gay and bisexual men.

Study author Sue Goldie, MD, MPH, tells WebMD that screening for anal cancer in gay men would provide the same, if not greater, life-saving benefits as cervical cancer screening in women. Goldie is assistant professor of health policy and decision sciences, Harvard School of Public Health.

She says her study was motivated by three facts: that the number of cases of anal cancer is rising in gay men; that changes in the cells lining the anus that indicate cancer is likely to develop are easily identified with a Pap smear; and that development of this type of cancer is linked to infection with the common virus HPV. “So a study on screening seemed in order,” she says.

By analyzing scientific data, Goldie and colleagues found that screening gay and bisexual men every three years would identify many cases of anal cancer early – when they can be treated successfully – at a cost that compares favorably with other widely used tests such as mammography for breast cancer and Pap smears for cervical cancer.

“This study clearly shows the benefit of doing anal cancer screening in gay men,” Joel Palefsky, MD, the study’s senior researcher, tells WebMD. “It’s really very easy for clinicians to learn to do an anal Pap smear.”

The reason the researchers didn’t come right out and call for doctors to immediately begin offering the screening is that the health care system doesn’t yet have the ability to deal with abnormal results, he says. “Physicians need to be trained to … evaluate the lesions, and surgeons need to be trained to treat them,” says Palefsky, professor of laboratory medicine and of medicine at the University of California at San Francisco.

“We’re trained to provide Pap screening for women but not for gay men. Contributing to the problem is the fact that gay men don’t tell their physicians they’re gay, and physicians don’t ask. We need education on the part of the physician and the patient that this is a serious disease.” Goldstone is clinical assistant professor at Mt. Sinai School of Medicine in New York.

HPV vaccines offer the best hope for keeping anal cancer rates in check in the future, Goldstone says. “Several vaccines are under development, but for now, men need to know that condoms will not protect them against HPV infection, and that genital warts are not the most serious consequence of infection,” he says."

Eli_B · October 2, 2010, 12:24am

What is wrong with a homosexual relationship in the absence of anal sex?

ZEB · October 2, 2010, 12:41am

That conservative institution “Science Daily” is at it again forlife. Can you imagine that? They must be homophobes to print stuff like this. Either that, or they’re printing the truth. GASP, yes that could be it.

Syphilis on the rise in Homosexual men. Now why do you suppose that syphilis is on the decline in the general population but among homosexual men it’s on the rise? Why is that forlife? Please explain this to all who care to see it.

"Syphilis Rate On Rise In US Gay, Bisexual Men
ScienceDaily (Apr. 30, 2007) â?? Armed with more than a decade’s worth of statistics, researchers are sounding a new alarm about growing rates of syphilis among gay and bisexual men.

The overall number of syphilis cases in the United States fell from 50,578 in 1990 to just 7,177 in 2003 perhaps because of a nationwide prevention campaign aimed at heterosexuals. Nevertheless, gay men have seen their rates rise significantly in this decade.

“The entire nation was caught unawares,” said study lead author James Heffelfinger, M.D., a medical epidemiologist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “You’re concentrating on one population, but the next thing you know, you start seeing a large increase among another group.”

It is still easy to cure syphilis, but it can cause serious medical problems, including death if untreated. In addition, officials worry that gay men will get syphilis and become more susceptible to HIV infection, although statistics have not made it clear if that is actually happening.

The study authors looked at syphilis rates from 1990 to 2003 and reported the changes during that time. The American Journal of Public Health released the findings online this week, and they will also appear in the June print edition.

Between 1990 and 2000, syphilis rates fell by a whopping 90 percent, from a rate of 20.3 cases per 100,000 people to 2.1 cases per 100,000. Among other factors, public health officials think the rates dropped because fewer people were selling sex to get crack cocaine as the decade went by.

However, the syphilis rate rose by 19 percent between 2000 and 2003. During that period, the rates among women continued to slide – by 53 percent – while rates among men jumped by 62 percent. While syphilis statistics do not identify the gender of the sex partners of infected people, the study authors infer that a large number of those infected – 62 percent in 2003are gay or bisexual, in part, because so few women become infected.

The study does not look past 2003, but statistics suggest the trends continued through 2005, Heffelfinger said. There were 8,724 new cases of syphilis recorded in 2005.

Khalil Ghanem, M.D., assistant professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, said rates among gay men could be going up for several reasons, including illicit drug use and “safe-sex fatigue.” In addition, he said, prevention messages might have been “drowned out” by talk about how medications are doing a great job of keeping AIDS patients alive.

“We’ve been seduced by these amazing drugs and we’ve fallen behind in our prevention efforts,” Ghanem said. “We have to get back on track with prevention messages. That’s the only way we will curb this outbreak.”

Article: Heffelfinger JD, et al. Trends in primary and secondary syphilis in the United States: The reemergence of syphilis among men who have sex with men. Am J Public Health 97(6), 2007."

Eli_B · October 2, 2010, 12:53am

[quote]ZEB wrote:
That conservative institution “Science Daily” is at it again forlife. Can you imagine that? They must be homophobes to print stuff like this. Either that, or they’re printing the truth. GASP, yes that could be it.

Syphilis on the rise in Homosexual men. Now why do you suppose that syphilis is on the decline in the general population but among homosexual men it’s on the rise? Why is that forlife? Please explain this to all who care to see it.

"Syphilis Rate On Rise In US Gay, Bisexual Men
ScienceDaily (Apr. 30, 2007) Ã?Â¢?? Armed with more than a decade’s worth of statistics, researchers are sounding a new alarm about growing rates of syphilis among gay and bisexual men.