[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bistro, have you read the Bible? Every single word?[/quote]
Have you?
Did the Bible you read contain the books of Tobit, Judith, First and Second Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach, or Baruch?
Ever read the Gospels of Thomas, Peter, or Judas?
If not, why not?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bistro, have you read the Bible? Every single word?[/quote]
Have you?
Did the Bible you read contain the books of Tobit, Judith, First and Second Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach, or Baruch?
Ever read the Gospels of Thomas, Peter, or Judas?
If not, why not?[/quote]
The Catholic bible contains the books of Maccabees. Yes, I know push is not a Catholic; just saying some Christians are familiar with them. And many Christians read Maccabees 1 because it’s a great story.
Edit: Oh, and the Christian Orthodox Churches include some of those books in their apocrypha I believe.
Also, you don’t need to read all of it to have a good understanding of the important points. I mean, look at the bible. If you skipped all the genealogy tables and the poems and songs and so on you can still have enough understanding to know what it’s about. And it’s not just reading their scriptures that’s important. It’s how Islamic scholars interpret and teach it. That’s specifically what I was talking about in relation to jihad.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Also, you don’t need to read all of it to have a good understanding of the important points. I mean, look at the bible. If you skipped all the genealogy tables and the poems and songs and so on you can still have enough understanding to know what it’s about. And it’s not just reading their scriptures that’s important. It’s how Islamic scholars interpret and teach it. That’s specifically what I was talking about in relation to jihad.[/quote]
There is actually some kewl stuff to be learned in the genealogies – for me, more so in the Genesis ones.[/quote]
Yes, for sure. And if you haven’t read Maccabees 1 you’re missing a great story.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Many times. Every. Single. Word. That means even every genealogy. In several translations, Genesis - Revelation.
Every. Single. Word. Over and over and over again.
Have you?
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On one of my first trips to Japan, I brought with me a copy of the Jerusalem Bible, about the size of a phone book, and yes, I read every single word. This wasn’t the first time, but it was the first time with this translation. It being a Catholic Bible, it also contained the Apocrypha. Interesting stuff. You ought to give it a read.
I only brought up the non-canonical gospels for the same reason that you are always bugging me to read flood geology, intelligent design biology, Genesis astrophysics and Exodus archaeology. Non-canonical science, to be sure, outside of my little “comfort zone” box, but just what I might need to “open my mind”.
Have you opened your mind to the possibility that the non-canonical gospels might be at least as legitimate as the canonical ones? Granted, there is always the risk that they might contradict long-cherished beliefs, but isn’t that the point of having an open mind? A realist does not fear the results of his study.
Ever read the Nag Hammadi text? Or any of the Coptic apocrypha? There’s an interesting one where Satan and his second in command run for cover in fear for their lives as the risen Jesus smashes down the gates of hell. Good stuff.
found it:
Chapter XV till the end.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Ever read the Nag Hammadi text? Or any of the Coptic apocrypha? There’s an interesting one where Satan and his second in command run for cover in fear for their lives as the risen Jesus smashes down the gates of hell. Good stuff.
found it:
Chapter XV till the end.[/quote]
I liked the Heracles version better. At least that one had a three-headed dog,
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Report: Al Jazeera?s Banned ?Islamist,? ?Jihad,? ?Terrorist? From Airwaves
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From the article:
“Strictly speaking, jihad means an inner spiritual struggle, not a holy war,” van Meek said…
This is an outright lie and they know it. Mainstream Sunni and Shia Islam teach that “jihad” constitutes both an inner struggle(greater holy war) and external struggle(lesser holy war). It’s one of the most well known aspects of Islam. It’s based upon an anecdote of Mohammad meeting a fighter on the way home from his (lesser) holy war and Mohammad reminds him of the “greater holy war” he must continue to wage within himself. Islamic scholars have expanded upon this dual concept of jihad and it is always taught and understood in this dual sense. There is no “inner” holy war without the “outer” holy war, which gives life to the metaphysical, inner struggle.
Julius Evola on The Concept of Holy War:
Slowly, very slowly people are starting not to buy the muslim propaganda machine. [/quote]
I wonder how many posters here have actually read the Koran and the Hadiths? [/quote]
This misses the point entirely. I am neither concerned with their beliefs or what the Koran says. I am concerned with the unchecked violence and the wide spread support and recruitment for violence. The Koran may or may not support it. I don’t know or care. I want them to stop killing people.
Have you read it?
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Report: Al Jazeera’s Banned ‘Islamist,’ ‘Jihad,’ ‘Terrorist’ From Airwaves
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Apparently the White House has banned calling the Taliban a terrorist organization, so that they can negotiate with them.
It’s a simple solution. They can maintain they don’t negotiate with terrorists by calling terrorist groups they negotiate with, an ‘Armed Resistance’. Makes me sick.[/quote]
In actuality, governments have often negotiated with terrorists, so you’re on very shaky ground here.[/quote]
I didn’t say ‘governments’. Our government has a policy of not negotiation with terrorists. The obama administration is simply avoiding the problem by changing labels to justify their actions. The taliban is not an ‘armed resistance’ they are terrorists, hence they are violating the policy.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bistro, have you read the Bible? Every single word?[/quote]
Have you?
Did the Bible you read contain the books of Tobit, Judith, First and Second Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach, or Baruch?
Ever read the Gospels of Thomas, Peter, or Judas?
If not, why not?[/quote]
The Catholic bible contains the books of Maccabees. Yes, I know push is not a Catholic; just saying some Christians are familiar with them. And many Christians read Maccabees 1 because it’s a great story.
Edit: Oh, and the Christian Orthodox Churches include some of those books in their apocrypha I believe.[/quote]
I have read the 7 deuteronomical books in the Catholic bible. Yes, Maccabees is a very important book. Probably the most important of the ones removed by Martin Luther. Sirach is my favorite.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bistro, have you read the Bible? Every single word?[/quote]
Have you?
[/quote]
Many times. Every. Single. Word. That means even every genealogy. In several translations, Genesis - Revelation.
Every. Single. Word. Over and over and over again.
Have you?
[/quote]
Did the Bible you read contain the books of Tobit, Judith, First and Second Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach, or Baruch?
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It did not. Should it have? If so, why?
I would recommend the Maccabees because it foreshadows and is the first mention of resurrection of the dead in to new life. I would recommend Sirac because it is great advise.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Report: Al Jazeera’s Banned ‘Islamist,’ ‘Jihad,’ ‘Terrorist’ From Airwaves
[/quote]
Apparently the White House has banned calling the Taliban a terrorist organization, so that they can negotiate with them.
It’s a simple solution. They can maintain they don’t negotiate with terrorists by calling terrorist groups they negotiate with, an ‘Armed Resistance’. Makes me sick.[/quote]
In actuality, governments have often negotiated with terrorists, so you’re on very shaky ground here.[/quote]
I didn’t say ‘governments’. Our government has a policy of not negotiation with terrorists. The obama administration is simply avoiding the problem by changing labels to justify their actions. The taliban is not an ‘armed resistance’ they are terrorists, hence they are violating the policy.[/quote]
“We don’t negotiate with terrorists” is a Hollywood mantra, not U.S. policy. That you believe otherwise is telling. Which labels have changed? Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan has been on the State Department’s foreign terrorist organization list since 1 September 2010.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bistro, where’s the answers to my questions up yonder ^?[/quote]
Apologies, I don’t know how I missed those.
I’ve read the Qur’an and I’m presently reading the Hadith when I find time. I’ve read the Bible several times along with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bistro, where’s the answers to my questions up yonder ^?[/quote]
Apologies, I don’t know how I missed those.
I’ve read the Qur’an and I’m presently reading the Hadith when I find time. I’ve read the Bible several times along with the Catechism of the Catholic Church. [/quote]
When you say you’ve read the Bible, please be more specific.[/quote]
The entire 73 book canon of the New Americam Bible.