The Killing Joke

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]JR249 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

Do you think a non Christian could be elected as president in America?[/quote]

In 2016 and beyond, yes, I do personally. In previous elections, perhaps not so much.
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Why this response when a non-Christian has already been elected in 2008 and 2012?[/quote]

An overt non-Christian. [/quote]

Even though he’s on record saying nice Christian-like things, Thomas Jefferson was known to be a deist and accused of being anti-Christian by his contemporary detractors.[/quote]

I actually find Christian deism very intellectually appealing.[/quote]

Deism is antithetical to the tenets of Christianity.[/quote]

I think there is wiggle room, but I will agree it is antithetical to christian dogma.

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

You’re right Christians have never done wrong.

[/quote]

Only a radically obsessed anti-Christian – to the point of sheer rabidness – would sum up his contributions to this thread with this statement.

And yes, it is your summary. You have nothing whatsoever of value to add here. You’re dismissed from class.

  • You can’t even punctuate your pathetic sentence correctly.
    [/quote]

Not sure if you’re aware, but the poster whose English you are insulting is French.[/quote]

Was unaware of his nationality. I will cut him some slack in that regard.

His arguments get none, however.[/quote]

No, I’m from Canada. I’m in the office so I’m multitasking. My writing abilities are not that good anyway.
[/quote]

And the virtual epileptic fit you’re throwing about 11th century Catholic Church transgressions ain’t all that good either when it comes to explaining beastly thuggery in 2015 Paris.[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I’m not in support of these terrorists. And I will not vilify all Muslim people. There are a lot of bad people today who use Islam has means brainwash and do evil. The same happened with Christianity. So when Christians come on here saying look how evil their religion is they seem to forget the evil past of their religion. Islam is young compared to Christianity and Judaism. Both Christianity and Judaism had there dark times and as the religion aged the people found a different means in the texts. These texts are all open to interpretation. [/quote]

So you are saying that Christianity and Judaism have become enlightened and Islam of today is the equivalent of the dark violent times in Christianity several hundred years ago? So to summarize, Current Christianity and Judaism, not violent, current Islam, violent?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Why this response when a non-Christian has already been elected in 2008 and 2012?[/quote]

Because arguing the religiosity of the current POTUS is a moot point. You won’t find an all-encompassing definition of what does and does not constitute consideration of one being a Christian. Personally, I’d say that’s between BHO and God. He professes to be a Christian, I’m not in a place to judge and I don’t know for sure either way.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]JR249 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

Do you think a non Christian could be elected as president in America?[/quote]

In 2016 and beyond, yes, I do personally. In previous elections, perhaps not so much.
[/quote]

Why this response when a non-Christian has already been elected in 2008 and 2012?[/quote]

An overt non-Christian. [/quote]

Even though he’s on record saying nice Christian-like things, Thomas Jefferson was known to be a deist and accused of being anti-Christian by his contemporary detractors.[/quote]

I actually find Christian deism very intellectually appealing.[/quote]

Deism is antithetical to the tenets of Christianity.[/quote]

I think there is wiggle room, but I will agree it is antithetical to christian dogma.[/quote]

Without acknowledging the divinity of Jesus, one is not a Christian. Not much wiggle room there.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Without acknowledging the divinity of Jesus, one is not a Christian. Not much wiggle room there.
[/quote]

Does biblical Christianity require that?

But what I really mean is that miracle and natural law don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:
So when Christians come on here saying ‘look how evil their religion is’ they seem to forget the evil past of their religion.[/quote]

Not to long ago, most major civilizations on the planet employed slavery as an acceptable world view.

So based on your logic, no descendant of a person who may have lived, at any time, within one of these civilizations can condemn a current practitioner of slavery…

Think about what you’re implying.

Nah… I would say that the vast majority of it is explained by the populous becoming literate and able to read the texts themselves. Then enter in capitalistic society, and the church was left purely to the spiritual side of being, no longer a defacto king/queen/major power broker.

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“Jews and Christians were uncivilized for a period of time hundreds of years ago, so now it’s our turn to be uncivilized because it’s a young religion, 21st century be damned”

how fucking deranged do you have to be for that to sound even remotely logical?

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]JR249 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

Do you think a non Christian could be elected as president in America?[/quote]

In 2016 and beyond, yes, I do personally. In previous elections, perhaps not so much.
[/quote]

Why this response when a non-Christian has already been elected in 2008 and 2012?[/quote]

An overt non-Christian. [/quote]

Even though he’s on record saying nice Christian-like things, Thomas Jefferson was known to be a deist and accused of being anti-Christian by his contemporary detractors.[/quote]

I don’t know how I forgot about him, considering I own a Jefferson bible. The number of Americans who are aware of his deism is small indeed. I doubt that 1 in 20 Americans even know what deism is.
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Christianity was the fundamental framework through which the colonists lived their lives. It dominated every aspect of their lives and the social structures of their communities. When they went to the polls in 1800 they were voting for decentralisation and a pro-French policy against the incumbent federalists. Jefferson’s personal religious convictions were unimportant to the voters. My point was, hmm87 suggested that a non-Christian could not get elected. I was saying that yes, a non-Christian could get elected today - indeed, for the vast majority of Christians Barack Obama is not believed to be a practicing Christian. His support is as low as 17% amongst Mormons for example. Obama is widely seen as an anti-Christian President and some even believe he’s a Muslim. So yes today. And yes back Jefferson’s day.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

You’re right Christians have never done wrong.

[/quote]

Only a radically obsessed anti-Christian – to the point of sheer rabidness – would sum up his contributions to this thread with this statement.

And yes, it is your summary. You have nothing whatsoever of value to add here. You’re dismissed from class.

  • You can’t even punctuate your pathetic sentence correctly.
    [/quote]

Not sure if you’re aware, but the poster whose English you are insulting is French.[/quote]

Was unaware of his nationality. I will cut him some slack in that regard.

His arguments get none, however.[/quote]

No, I’m from Canada. I’m in the office so I’m multitasking. My writing abilities are not that good anyway.
[/quote]

And the virtual epileptic fit you’re throwing about 11th century Catholic Church transgressions ain’t all that good either when it comes to explaining beastly thuggery in 2015 Paris.[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I’m not in support of these terrorists. And I will not vilify all Muslim people. There are a lot of bad people today who use Islam has means brainwash and do evil. The same happened with Christianity. So when Christians come on here saying look how evil their religion is they seem to forget the evil past of their religion. Islam is young compared to Christianity and Judaism. Both Christianity and Judaism had there dark times and as the religion aged the people found a different means in the texts. These texts are all open to interpretation. [/quote]

So you are saying that Christianity and Judaism have become enlightened and Islam of today is the equivalent of the dark violent times in Christianity several hundred years ago? So to summarize, Current Christianity and Judaism, not violent, current Islam, violent? [/quote]

Christianity and Judaism not as violent as they used to be but still are. Islam and the moment has a lot of radicals. But you have to look at the areas in which these people live. A lot of them are born into war. Look at the US. I’m sure if you go to low income areas where crime is high i bet you will find a lot of Christians there committing violent crimes. But again this comes down to the human aspect. Humans can be evil, regardless of religion.

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

You’re right Christians have never done wrong.

[/quote]

Only a radically obsessed anti-Christian – to the point of sheer rabidness – would sum up his contributions to this thread with this statement.

And yes, it is your summary. You have nothing whatsoever of value to add here. You’re dismissed from class.

  • You can’t even punctuate your pathetic sentence correctly.
    [/quote]

Not sure if you’re aware, but the poster whose English you are insulting is French.[/quote]

Was unaware of his nationality. I will cut him some slack in that regard.

His arguments get none, however.[/quote]

No, I’m from Canada. I’m in the office so I’m multitasking. My writing abilities are not that good anyway.
[/quote]

And the virtual epileptic fit you’re throwing about 11th century Catholic Church transgressions ain’t all that good either when it comes to explaining beastly thuggery in 2015 Paris.[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I’m not in support of these terrorists. And I will not vilify all Muslim people. There are a lot of bad people today who use Islam has means brainwash and do evil. The same happened with Christianity. So when Christians come on here saying look how evil their religion is they seem to forget the evil past of their religion. Islam is young compared to Christianity and Judaism. Both Christianity and Judaism had there dark times and as the religion aged the people found a different means in the texts. These texts are all open to interpretation. [/quote]

So you are saying that Christianity and Judaism have become enlightened and Islam of today is the equivalent of the dark violent times in Christianity several hundred years ago? So to summarize, Current Christianity and Judaism, not violent, current Islam, violent? [/quote]

Christianity and Judaism not as violent as they used to be but still are. Islam and the moment has a lot of radicals. But you have to look at the areas in which these people live. A lot of them are born into war. Look at the US. I’m sure if you go to low income areas where crime is high i bet you will find a lot of Christians there committing violent crimes. But again this comes down to the human aspect. Humans can be evil, regardless of religion.
[/quote]

Seriously?? We are talking about committing acts of violence in the name of your faith. That’s different than someone who happens to call themselves a Christian killing someone in a drug deal. At least make sense man.

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:

Look at the US. I’m sure if you go to low income areas where crime is high i bet you will find a lot of Christians there committing violent crimes. But again this comes down to the human aspect. Humans can be evil, regardless of religion.

[/quote]

The people committing the crime who might be Christians are generally not holding up a bible claiming the bible is the justification for the crime or serves the will of god, at least not in your example. I’d agree that condemning individual muslims for acts of violence that they didn’t commit is unfair, but I don’t think its unfair to look at a book that authorizes killing infidels when that book is being invoked as justification for the killing–with arguable textual support contained in the plain text of the book–and conclude that the book itself might be part of the problem.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:
So when Christians come on here saying ‘look how evil their religion is’ they seem to forget the evil past of their religion.[/quote]

Not to long ago, most major civilizations on the planet employed slavery as an acceptable world view.

So based on your logic, no descendant of a person who may have lived, at any time, within one of these civilizations can condemn a current practitioner of slavery…

Think about what you’re implying.

Nah… I would say that the vast majority of it is explained by the populous becoming literate and able to read the texts themselves. Then enter in capitalistic society, and the church was left purely to the spiritual side of being, no longer a defacto king/queen/major power broker. [/quote]

So this is a literacy problem? Christians went through evil times because of poor literacy?

Of course you can condemn a current practitioner of slavery. But just because that practitioner has labeled himself…lets say “Christian”…is it then fair to vilify all Christians?

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

You’re right Christians have never done wrong.

[/quote]

Only a radically obsessed anti-Christian – to the point of sheer rabidness – would sum up his contributions to this thread with this statement.

And yes, it is your summary. You have nothing whatsoever of value to add here. You’re dismissed from class.

  • You can’t even punctuate your pathetic sentence correctly.
    [/quote]

Not sure if you’re aware, but the poster whose English you are insulting is French.[/quote]

Was unaware of his nationality. I will cut him some slack in that regard.

His arguments get none, however.[/quote]

No, I’m from Canada. I’m in the office so I’m multitasking. My writing abilities are not that good anyway.
[/quote]

And the virtual epileptic fit you’re throwing about 11th century Catholic Church transgressions ain’t all that good either when it comes to explaining beastly thuggery in 2015 Paris.[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I’m not in support of these terrorists. And I will not vilify all Muslim people. There are a lot of bad people today who use Islam has means brainwash and do evil. The same happened with Christianity. So when Christians come on here saying look how evil their religion is they seem to forget the evil past of their religion. Islam is young compared to Christianity and Judaism. Both Christianity and Judaism had there dark times and as the religion aged the people found a different means in the texts. These texts are all open to interpretation. [/quote]

So you are saying that Christianity and Judaism have become enlightened and Islam of today is the equivalent of the dark violent times in Christianity several hundred years ago? So to summarize, Current Christianity and Judaism, not violent, current Islam, violent? [/quote]

Christianity and Judaism not as violent as they used to be but still are. Islam and the moment has a lot of radicals. But you have to look at the areas in which these people live. A lot of them are born into war. Look at the US. I’m sure if you go to low income areas where crime is high i bet you will find a lot of Christians there committing violent crimes. But again this comes down to the human aspect. Humans can be evil, regardless of religion.
[/quote]

Seriously?? We are talking about committing acts of violence in the name of your faith. That’s different than someone who happens to call themselves a Christian killing someone in a drug deal. At least make sense man.
[/quote]

I hear what you’re saying. But a lot of these people who are killing in the name of their faith, i believe are brainwashed.

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

You’re right Christians have never done wrong.

[/quote]

Only a radically obsessed anti-Christian – to the point of sheer rabidness – would sum up his contributions to this thread with this statement.

And yes, it is your summary. You have nothing whatsoever of value to add here. You’re dismissed from class.

  • You can’t even punctuate your pathetic sentence correctly.
    [/quote]

Not sure if you’re aware, but the poster whose English you are insulting is French.[/quote]

Was unaware of his nationality. I will cut him some slack in that regard.

His arguments get none, however.[/quote]

No, I’m from Canada. I’m in the office so I’m multitasking. My writing abilities are not that good anyway.
[/quote]

And the virtual epileptic fit you’re throwing about 11th century Catholic Church transgressions ain’t all that good either when it comes to explaining beastly thuggery in 2015 Paris.[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I’m not in support of these terrorists. And I will not vilify all Muslim people. There are a lot of bad people today who use Islam has means brainwash and do evil. The same happened with Christianity. So when Christians come on here saying look how evil their religion is they seem to forget the evil past of their religion. Islam is young compared to Christianity and Judaism. Both Christianity and Judaism had there dark times and as the religion aged the people found a different means in the texts. These texts are all open to interpretation. [/quote]

So you are saying that Christianity and Judaism have become enlightened and Islam of today is the equivalent of the dark violent times in Christianity several hundred years ago? So to summarize, Current Christianity and Judaism, not violent, current Islam, violent? [/quote]

Christianity and Judaism not as violent as they used to be but still are. Islam and the moment has a lot of radicals. But you have to look at the areas in which these people live. A lot of them are born into war. Look at the US. I’m sure if you go to low income areas where crime is high i bet you will find a lot of Christians there committing violent crimes. But again this comes down to the human aspect. Humans can be evil, regardless of religion.
[/quote]

Are they committing these crimes in the name of Christianity like our bearded Islamic brethren?

I fear not.