All chokes in grappling target the blood vessels. There is not a single choke in any form of grappling that targets the windpipe.
If a grappler wants to stop you from breathing we just cover your mouth and nose. aka smother. Attacking the trachea is a waste of time when blood vessels are right next to it.
You are so completely full of shit on this subject that I am compelled to point it out. I don’t understand why you insist on making up nonsense and polluting discussions with it.
Oh I’ve had many sore tracheas from poorly executed chokes. Ezekiels can do it for sure. I eventually just started tapping to them when the young guys would crank on my trachea instead of making a point out of the situation.
Never head of the crowbar choke, I’ll have to look that one up.
@twojarslave first you have to get your opponent in the position to apply the hold, if your opponent is stronger than you to stop you, it isn’t all a walk in the park.
If Penny knows what he’s doing than what was he doing applying that hold for so long? From what your expert posts say, he should have put him to sleep and that would be that?
BTW, my last almost confrontation ended with me saying nothing and no punches thrown, I just gave the punk the look of insanity and he shut his mouth.
I was at a gas station in a somewhat bad area, some f-er was walking around getting aggressive with people about wanting money or something. I watched him like a hawk and as soon as he came my way, I walked right towards him stuck out the chest and made a face of complete rage, eyed him hard. The guy zigged right by to the side. Oh I know how to intimidate punks. These aren’t real grapplers and people who really know how to fight, these are just weak everyday punks.
Oh so now you’re coming around to the idea that it isn’t always so simple?
I’ve maintained since the start of this thread that Penny didn’t know what he was doing from a technical grappling standpoint. He’s a young marine with only basic training in grappling through the Marine Corps Martial Arts program. Maybe a dozen or two total hours. They’ve got more important things to train than wrestling.
I’m also not an expert grappler, merely a competent one. I have about 3 years of mat time averaging 4 or 5 hours of training per week under a very capable coach.
LOL at “strength prevailed not that rolling stuff”. You’re not that strong dude, not even by BJJ mat standards where most of those guys don’t lift as a priority.
You don’t need to explain to me why strength is important to prevailing in a struggle. When I bounced and first started training BJJ I was always the strongest guy in the room, whether you’re talking the bar or the mats. I had a 600+ deadlift, 500+ squat and mid 300’s bench in my late 30’s when I was in that line of work, lifetime natty. The only time I wasn’t the strongest guy in the room was when my lifting partner picked up a shift with me. He was a stronger squatter.
Once again, you are just talking out of your ass. You should really stop doing that. It is unmanly.
I still haven’t encountered a weak purple belt or higher who is actively training. They’re all quite strong by that point.
All the hip-outs, gripping, pulling and framing seem to build a perfectly fine base of overall strength. I remember taking one of my old BJJ training partners to the gym for his first time deadlifting and 405 went up with no problem at all. No history of weight training whatsoever. Just a strong dude in his early 30’s.
@twojarslave and I bet you and none of your friends walk around starting fights as I said real fighters don’t do that crap.
And I don’t go to bars or strip clubs or any of those places that usually have trouble makers that might actually be frequent.
I did go to them places in my early 20s, in which nothing good really came out of them. Plenty of people looking to fight and they don’t if they get hit in the head with a bottle.
A guy I knew at one of those places who’s stronger and crazier than me, some guy said the wrong thing to his wife and without and hesitation, jumped up smashed a bottle over his head and pounded him into the ground. He was a grappler too. Fuking guy was bonkers. He squeezed my hand once so hard I was inside crying but tried not to show it, I thought he broke my damn hand and I was closing a CoC 2 at the time.
The problem is there are no crystal balls and you’re putting the cart before the horse.
We know from the specific scenario you mentioned that nobody died, but this isn’t always the case.
You basically have a decision when being threatened to either end the threat as decisively and quickly as possible or to be a Billy Badass and “prove” you can win, I guess.
If you want to prove you’re a good fighter go to a gym, find an underground boxing tournament, get in to some kind of mutually agree upon altercation and find out.
If you’re being threatened, don’t be dead because you read the situation wrong.
I only ever got a few of those guys under the bar with me so I don’t really know how most would stack up that way. My coach was strong AF with barbells and won gold for Team USA in master’s weightlifting in 2016 in Tokyo, Japan. I was still stronger than him if you measure it by powerlifts, but he was such a freaking unit at that time. 5’9" and 200lbs of four stripe brown belt muscle.
My first time rolling with him was an awakening to being totally dominated.
