The Israel War Thread

Where’s the video?

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Kind of like Hamas slaughtered kids on Oct 7…
Except not like that because Hamas is directly responsible for both the Oct 7 deaths and the deaths of the citizens they are claiming to protect.

Using Human shields has been a long time strategy for jihadists and terror groups.

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No, there isn’t.

Just Google it. Even news outlets that are generally pro Palestine are reporting it.

The only one claiming Israel is making it up is Al Jeezera - shocker :roll_eyes:

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The reports being troubling is directly contradicted by the article

“ It is not clear how they died or when they were buried”

Which means no one knows yet. If they were executed there would be evidence. And that evidence could prove who did it.

It also stated they were buried deep underground.
Now ask the logical question. Why would an invading army take the time to bury their dead enemies deep underground? It makes no sense.

But since you think 9/11 was set up by Mossad and are of the camp that Jews ruin everything (holy third reich Batman) you will just state it’s a deep cover up and dismiss it…

That’s not a UN report.

No one knows if it is even real. Hamas probably made the whole thing up.

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Speak for yourself. You think MAGA is the way forward….

If real evidence comes out Israel did it. Yeah that’s bad. However, I still place the deaths on Hamas. They poked the bear.

I’ve seen all the BS related to 9/11. I would be curious to see how gullible you are though.

Footage of munitions, rocket launching pads and weapons found in schools, hospitals, mosques and kindergartens.

Footage of millitants shooting assault rifles and RPG’s from hospitals

“There’s no evidence of human shields”

Are you kidding me?

Footage of Hamas millitants forcing civillians back into their homes at gunpoint when IDF orders to evacuate have been given… no evidence

Testimonials from first responders during Oct 7 include men brought to tears

Include reports of infants being found cooked alive in ovens… but it’s all fabricated and jews caused 9/11

BuTs iT’s a JeWiSh SoUrCe

That in itself… saying a source is unreliable or full of lies and conspiracies because it’s jewish Israeli owned or written by a jew is legitimate antisemitism

Why is the same not said about sources funded by Qatar… why are the same people not wondering if statistics or reports brought on by a terrorist organisation that has a reputation for lying and making shit up are fabricated?

Some of it is driven by antisemitism… some are moronic enough to believe America is "jewdentric’’ or whatever in that America is run by jews and supports jews no matter what

How can someone be so idiotic… in colleges there are Professors calling for genocide of jews… there are mass protests where students are spitting on, assaulting, blocking jewish students from going to class and these colleges aren’t punishing the students

In what world is a country that allows that run by jews?

Aside from the antisemitic idiots who love hamas and and conspiracy fulled morons

Some (usually far left) hate the west so much they side with pro terrorist groups… or actual terrorist organisations i.e many pink haired kids violently protesting in support of hamas

This stupid belief in a hegemonic hierarchy of victimhood pushed by academic institutions that doesn’t line up with reality at all… i.e victimhood points “are you non white, lgbt, a woman, a muslim or part of any religious minority that isn’t jewish”

You see secular jews prioritise education and tend to be successful (while religious jews are dirt poor) therefore they are part of the white supremacist movement that systemically punches down on minority groups that are less successful

It couldn’t be that terrorist organisations and tyranical governments thst run non western countries have foul, evil agendas at heart that bring about serious consequences/sanctions that curtail economic and individualistic opportunities could it?

No! Its this bullshit “oppressed/oppressor” narrative that in reality hasn’t really been the case in the west since the 1960s

But it’s still the case wherein students from Western countries who hate the west rally in support of countries that symbolise systemic oppression

These countries woke collehe students rally in support of would kill a good chunk of the protestors for

  • violating freedom of speech

  • LGBTQwhatever

  • practicing any form of religion (including athiesm in some instances) that isnt islsm

  • premarital sex and promiscuity

  • not covering yourself from head to toe

Women would also loose simple rights such as the ability to drive, leave their home without a male chaperone, own a bank account, vote… in Saudi Arabia the rate of sexual assault is so low becsuse women who report being raped tend to be jailed for infidelity.

But because these countries hate the west woke college studentd have created a retarded view of the world revolving around how “oppressed you are” mediated by western, patriarchal, white supremacist forces!

The whole thing perplexes me… to side with an “underdog” thst would have you imprisoned or put to death were the "underdogs’’ in charge

I got into an arguement with a radical feminist over systemic oppression… they came up with some wack excuse as to how oppression in Saudi Arabia etc is “different set of variables” and still on par with what is going on in the west.

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I do (and I’m a jew)

You want a list of suspected or known jews who want to hear why you believe this

Add me as a known not suspected jew. You may not like jews… but you sure spend a lot of time giving us attention (negative attention)

So let me know how I am indirectly responsible for 9/11… or let me know how my ethnic group is responsible… or how singular jews are responsible

However you put it. Im not going to put words in your mouth. I know many with your line of thought single anything bad done by jews out as being representative of what jews are responsible for as a whole… but I won’t hold you to this ideology unless you confirm it.

Jews didn’t cause 9/11 (but try convince me). But no ethnic or religious group is above the law… all groups have done bad things… some (like islam) more thsn others.

I will say I don’t think jews are some infalliable group incapable of doing wrong… but I will also say jews are frequently scapegoated and there are so many antisemitic conspiracy theories that exist with the sole basis of making jews look bad

Prove to me why “jews caused 9/11” is anymore than an antisenitic canard.

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Hatred of Jews is almost as old as civilisation itself considering Judaism is one of the world’s oldest religions.

Judaism has long been subject to forced conversion, legitimate ethnic cleansing and societal persecution. This in part led to a decent amount of inbreeding to keep the religion alive.

Historically both the left and the right have disliked Jews. At this current moment in time radical anti-western values have permeated even more moderate left wing political factions. This anti-western rhetoric has led to the left propping up organisations that support terrorism… and in case of far leftism support of actual terrorism (this goes back to the 1960s, the black panther were radical proponents of Palestinian terrorism).

Antisemitism from the right usually comes from far right and alt right factions… though in the past even moderate right wingers have been rabid antisemites. Richard Nixon as an example did not like jews…

As of today, antisemitism in the west is now more likely to be seen from the left. But historically it has been more nuanced.

I’d argue moderatism has become rarer. The left is failing to denounce radical nutjobs… as are the right to an extent. And don’t think the alt right isn’t anti-semitic! Although many alt right individuals may not think they are anti-semitic as they will say their take on “racial reality” is merely the truth even if the truth is unflattering towards certain groups of people (which is typically a ‘truth’ filled with racial pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, personal bias and outright BS). Some on the left and right are seemingly ‘hard wired’ to think in a way which to me is just unfathomably stupid (and I’ve tried dealing with/empathising with radicals. Some are nice people led astray by misinformation and anger towards the world… others are just shitty people with shitty views who justify hatred through egregious loopholes in logic and a lack of critical thinking i.e if A=b then C through Z must also be the case).

I don’t know how much experience you have with right wing antisemitism.
… but I can tell you it very much exists across Europe and in Australia. Even in America the alt right minority is virulently antisemitic to the core.

Thankfully the mainstream right, and even portions of the far right aren’t antisemitic in America. America is probably one of the least anti-semitic countries on the planet despite widespread displays of antisemitism coming out of academic institutions and occasionally elected politicians like Majorie Taylor Greene

This is likely a byproduct of two primary variables from my perspective.

#1 Israel is at its core the pinnacle of capitalistic western democracy.

#2 Israels enemies represent an existential threat to America and the western world as a whole. Outside of hating Jews and Israel… many of… if not just about of all Israels enemies are united in hating America alongside western world.

Israels enemies represent countries of which you’d be most likely to watch citizens of said countries burn American flags and chant ‘death to America’… aside from pink haired college students full of facial piercings who believe the west in 2024 symbolises oppression (and these non-western countries that invoke the death penalty over protest, homosexuality, freedom of religion and speech that are run by extremely corrupt politicians whose wealth/net worth sometimes rack up to be well north of one billion dollars are the beacons of freedom and happiness.)

So even the isolationist, “America only” level of right wing who don’t realise international trade, SOME degree of immigration and dealing with the rest of the world is necessary to run a country tend to side with Israel strategically not because they love jews… rather because without Israel America would be next on the chopping block re Islamic terrorism and many countries that currently have Israel in their sights would instead be focusing on America.

The thing about Hitler is… as hated as he is within the western world… in places like Gaza he is seen as a god damn hero. Look to the educational book used in Gazan classrooms “the end of the Jews”… that and mein kampf.

Within the alt right a common belief is “if many hated Jews the reasons must have been legitimate”.

You can find neo nazi and alt right websites that list examples of times when jews have been exiled with the number tallying up into the thousands

Various antisemites on the right have compiled lists of alleged Jewish “expulsions” ranging from 100 to more than 1,000+ in number with 109 being the most commonly cited figure

These numbers are factually incorrect… and many of the ‘examples’ are fabricated/made up entirely.

You’ll find many alt right members will say “well that’s the number quoted. I can’t take the time out of my day to fact check every example”.

Except most of them are lies. The merry fact you’d list something you can’t fact check as “proof” of jews wrongdoing shows immense personal bias and a complete lack of ability to think critically.

The use of the “109” figure or any abbreviation nowadays brings about a primal urge for me to start insulting someone because falling for it equates to SUCH a lack of ability to think critically

If you look at Wikipedia you’ll find the number of countries jews have been expelled from is 11… Notwithstanding Christians, Arabs/Muslims etc have also been exiled or expelled countless times from numerous societies.

The 109 tropes (or 1008 or whatever) twists historical facts on themselves to fabricate a far-right utopian fairytale of Jews being the devil’s race/responsible for a large portion of the world’s problems/whatever.

Another common antisemitic trope amongst the far right is “jews are incredibly liberal as a group”. Meanwhile Israel’s current government stands in as ‘hard right’

Individual jews have been part of liberal movements (sometimes because said movements were the only movements that promised freedom to coexist peacefully or practice without persecution) but jews as a whole are not auxiliary to modern leftism.

FACT CHECK: No, Snopes Did Not Publish An Article About The Expelling Of Jewish People | Check Your Fact

Were Jews Expelled from 109 Countries? (youtube.com)

BuT thE GuY iN thE vIdEo Is JeWiSh!

Most recent expulsion of Jews was in Yemen. What was the justification for that (I’m asking the far right/alt right antisemites on here)

Speaking of which… Why does Israeli have millions of Israeli Arabs living amongst them whereas Arab countries have uniformly persecuted, ethnically cleansed or forcibly persecuted Jews?

Left- and right-wing radicalism (and antisemitism) reach around one another and come to meet each other full circle regarding ideology… just different levels…

Israel is not some perfect country that one cannot criticise. You are not an anti semite if you criticise Israel… but many of those who criticise Israel and Jews do so unjustly through sources that aren’t fact checked. Many of those critical are anti semites and if someone near me is shouting free Palestine in response to what happened on October 7 my antisemite detector flares up. Palestine needs to be freed from Hamas and the Palestinian authority (both radical groups of which Palestinians knowingly voted in).

To showcase how common antisemitic tropes/misinformation is… My family friends cousin was blamed by 7news in Australia for the Bondi Junction stabbing (mass stabbing event in Aus). Thomas Sewell (Austalian Neo Nazi and all around piece of shit) blamed this individual for the stabbing, as did 7news (and what came up was his jewish heritage).

My family friend’s cousin had nothing to do with the stabbing which was committed by Joel Cauchi. A 40 year old man with a 23 year long history of mental illness including schizophrenia. There was also Islamophobic misinformation regarding the perpetrator being a muslim and the attack being related to Palestine.

Though a recent stabbing at a church in Aus linked to Islamic terrorism has led to six teenagers being arrested… and Islamic groups here are calling for a reform in Aussie terror laws in response to the arrests… what a joke… Australia has excellent counterterrorism laws in response to an Islamic community existing over here that has serious problems with radicalism (as is the case in much of the west).

Apparently terrorists should be let off the hook if the perpetrators are teenagers. lol.

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The bantering is extremely entertaining, but I just don’t see how the group of you have the energy to keep it going.

Have any of you considered:
“He who is convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.”

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I am about burnt out on this one. We have made it all the way around the merry go round a couple times already.

At the end of the day Hamas and Israel are going to continue to attack each other until one of them is wiped out. Unfortunately, innocent folks on both sides have been and will continue to be caught in the fatal crossfire.

Why the US populace is invested to the point where Jewish students are getting attacked at campuses that are supposed to be for differing ideas is beyond me. Must be nice for those rioting students to not have real worries.

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Don’t you mean a couple dozen times around?

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It’s a sign of privilege. There is historical precedent for this. In the 60s and 70s in Italy, you had students violently protesting in the name of Marxism. They were mostly from the privileged classes and Paolo Pasolini, a true commie, wrote that they were really protesting against their parents. Communists are the working class, not the wealthier classes who send their kids to university.

So what we have in the US is students who are protesting against the very system and privileges that they benefit from. They are attending Ivy League schools thanks to the “evil” things their parents did to provide them with advantages that poor kids don’t have. Some of these benefits are possible because of the “evil” things that this country has done.

They are advocating for some utopia while living with, and enjoying, the benefits that reality gave them. When you attend a university, especially an Ivy League one, you are actively seeking to benefit from the system. They aren’t giving up the keys to the kingdom. They want the prestige without the guilt.

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So to sum up: privileged idiocy…

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They did it with the Saudis. There is a secret alliance between the two.

My level? In what? Your BS Cult? Congratulations on reaching peak Cult of BS.

What qualifications does your sorry behind have to accurately judge anything?

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No. Not at all what I said. I said their deaths on are Hamas for picking a fight they can’t win and endangering the people they claim to want to protect.

Except they don’t even say this

They’ve openly claimed live on air that the safety of Gazan’s is the UN’s problem… not theirs