I am of the opinion that a higher standard of living, and access to information will over time soften extremist views. It isn’t something that will happen rapidly I don’t think. I am thinking over decades that the youth will start rejecting passed down ideas if those countries become more westernized.
Dubai isn’t going to spring up where Gaza stands today. Their only hope is a violent uprising against Hamas, but that’s unlikely as well. I can’t tell you what the priorities of your average Palestinian are today, and chances are they can’t explain them in terms that would resonate with your or I in any way whatsoever.
Here’s a guy who trumpets about Palestinian priorities, but totally fails to explain what those actually are. You just get more hand-wringing about civilian casualties, while completely failing to acknowledge the use of Palestinians as human shields by Hamas.
Does anyone have any actual insight into the priorities of Palestinians?
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This is a huge part of the problem. For normal people, not dying is high on the priority list. For Palestinians, it is not such a high priority. You can’t work with that.
When guys like the one quoted talk about “Palestinian priorities” they often mean “the things that I think the Palestinians prioritize because I have assumed that they are rational in the same way that I am rational.”
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Here’s TWO groups.
I kid, I kid.
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How do you soften Islam? Rewrite the Koran? Extremism is relative. Saudi Arabia, a wealthy nation, still beheads people. You have former slaves there as slavery was made illegal in the 1960s. Saudis get college educations in the West.
The only non crazy nation was Iran, but it’s also Persian, not Arab, so culturally it’s different.
Lebanon used to be nice as well, when it was majority Christian, but those pesky Palestinians ruined it.
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From the article, the priorities are
“equality, full political rights, freedom and the right of return.”
Those are nearly meaningless words when you consider that Israel has not been in control of Gaza for almost 20 years. This rhetoric echoes the rhetoric of people across the world who want to see western civilization diminished. There’s a reason that vague narratives centered around oppression politics are advanced.
These notions come into clearer focus when you realize that they are euphemisms that center around the idea that the Jews ought to be driven from the land by any and all means. That’s the common denominator that I can observe.
Maybe you think that’s a good thing, maybe not.
The closest western civilization equivalent I can think of would be Japan complaining about the USA’s oppression in, say, 1970. Then launching rocket attacks on American bases, with the rockets positioned in schools and hospitals.
The biggest difference that I can observe is that the Japanese people have very different priorities than the Palestinian people. This is observable in their actions as a society.
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What do you think the odds are that freedom or equality make the top ten for the average Palestinian? Those are just buzzwords to appeal to a western audience.
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Thats interesting. It makes me wonder whether or not they don’t have these things, and why not?
What it brings to mind for me is nationality vs. heritage. Like, I’m American. My grandparents were from Scotland and Ireland, but they came over here, worked, lived, etc.
So, do I have the right to return to either of those countries and claim land as my birthright and shoot rockets at the people who tell me no?
Or if like 10 million me’s all just decided like we’re all from Scotland (at some point in our bloodline) and just planted ourselves there.
Because from what I know about the palestinian movement is that they’ve been doing this same crap all over the middle east for at least the better part of the last century. Like, a lot of them are about as palestinian as I am Irish, which is to say that they are not and haven’t been from Palestine or the Levant in a long time.
So when does it end? Like when does someone go from being where their parents are from, or grand, great grand, etc. And become from where they were born?
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That’s what hyphens are for.
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I might be pre-hyphen. Probably a discrete gen-x trait or something. Not great with most punctuation marks or pronouns & shit ™.
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And where are the Israeli jews from, numbnuts? Jews have populated that region for as long as anybody else. Its not just a religion. There are genetic markers that indicate region of origin.
So no, not all of the jews in Isreal are eastern European.
Hell, I knew a guy for many years that came to the US from south Africa, who was an ethnically Isreali jewish. And was clearly olive/brown skin, dark hair, rounded nose middle eastern as anybody could possibly be.
So once again, you’re flexing your stupidity and ignorance.
You know whats sad? You aren’t even worth the synaptic energy to insult anymore.
I enjoy the entertainment value of crafting a good solid burn, but theres no sense in that anymore.
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So in one of your incoherent rants, you claimed Jesus was a Jew, correct?
So he was, and all of the other people of Isreal were too right?
And that was about 2000 years ago.
So, where’s the disconnect here? How are jews not from isreal?
And there are times when it is interesting to see what God says:
(Recorded around 592-570 BC)
Ezekiel 11:16 "Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel."
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Here’s how much of a neophyte you are-
You ever see the depictions of jews from old Nazi & Pre-Nazi propaganda?
You haven’t. Cuz if you had, you’d know they depicted middle easterners.
How’s he following up on that?
I was replying to @SkyzykS. I don’t know, but he gave my post a “like”.
You certainly can try. How successful you are will depend on how much power you have. It matters very little who was there first if one party has lots of power and isn’t afraid to use it, and they will not care about the claim of being there first.
IMO, it is stupid to talk about who has rights to land based on their ancestors living there. When in history has that been respected as a valid claim?
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Never.
All land was held my someone else at some point or many others at some point in history.
It is presentism and looked at as retardation from a historical point of view by anyone with logic.
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You have no idea what the history of Israel is