Does Egypt help them? Does Egypt catch any shit for not helping them?
Do the Palestinians of Gaza not know how to build docks, ports, use ships?
Like, for real, whats their fucking deal? I’ve been watching this crap since Yassir Arafat was head of the PLO, and they just seem like shitty people that always want to, and find ways to fight.
Why don’t they work that hard to build some shit and feed themselves?
You gave a lot of examples of external control and then said that equals internal control. Internal control means that you have forces on the ground enacting some sort of influence. Israel doesn’t have that.
As far as borders, borders are always two sided. Israel has the right to control what flows through its borders. To suggest otherwise would be to question the statehood of Israel. Gaza has a border with Egypt. If this is just about Israel oppressing Gaza, why don’ t the Gazans trade with the Egyptians?
What about Egypt’s responsibility? They also have a border with Gaza. You used a lot of words, but your argument can be summarized as Israel is responsible for what happens in Gaza because it shares a border with Gaza. That’s ridiculous.
Yes, they are monsters. They snuck in, slaughtered babies, women, and children. They raped and tortured people on video. That’s not propaganda. That’s all documented on video. That’s the shocking thing about it. Not only did Hamas do it. They also documented it and published it. They are so monstrous that they couldn’t even conceive that it would work against them to document their own atrocities. Or maybe they just counted on people being stupid. Also seems to be possible.
You’re just repeating old rubbish, no wonder you’re now into the new rubbish.
But, you’re in great company, given that both Obama and Blinken (who’s probably the “real” president) repeated similar nonsense on camera. As a Churchill fanboy, a candidate for worst pos in British history, you’re probably attracted by hypocrisy and media narratives.
@zecarlo
who cares, deconstructing a fairly straight forward matter linguistically is not a great argument. Let’s see, “Americans never had a real nation, the region known as the United States is just a melting pot where various tribes and settlers came in waves, one after the other, it was never a country.”
It’s possible to break up all concepts by inserting more fuzziness or extra detail and play fast and loose with words. In the end, we have a coherent ethnicity united by language, culture, genes and history - you actually make a great point en passant from a liberal perspective: those poor, oppressed Palestinians finally deserve some national “closure”.
This “proverb” has been around a few years. A Biblical version comes to mind in Luke Chapter 12, second part of verse 48, “For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required.”
It became popular in America by Spiderman, when Uncle Ben said it to the young Peter Parker.
And there is: A speech by then Under-Secretary of the British Colonial Commissariat, Winston Churchill , in 1906: “Where there is great power there is great responsibility, where there is less power there is less responsibility, and where there is no power there can, I think, be no responsibility.”
The saying might be many things, but it is not an “ancient” American proverb.
If I remember correctly, the context from which you pulled that quote was from a response to Silyak when he brought up the issue of who is responsible for the living conditions in Gaza. He brought it up, not me. My stance is that the responsibility for that does not belong completely on only one party.
All of the responsibility for what?
All of the responsibility for that Palestinian boy that was recently stabbed like 20 or 30 something times by his landlord in America?
For everything that happens now in Gaza.
IDF has told everyone not associated with HAMAS to leave since they are about to, rightfully, retaliate for the attacks. It’s the same as an evacuation notice before a hurricane. If you stick around through the storm and die because of it - that’s on you.
This isn’t a logical argument to bolster your point and you know that.
And if I eat a sandwich, I have reduced the world’s food supply and am in some small way responsible for starving children in Africa.
But why do you think Israel is in particular responsible for the situation in Gaza? Egypt also has a border with Gaza. Gaza also has a coast. But only Israeli women and children are being raped and tortured.
You also haven’t responded to the article I posted about Hamas repurposing foreign aid to make weapons. How can you help people if everything they give them will be used as a weapon?
Having been born in 1948, I have seen the held values in America change over time. The one that shows some of the US citizen’s reactions to the Hamas/Israel event is the value system during World War II.
When Germany was invaded to destroy the Nazi rule in Germany, no one was crying over the collateral death of German citizens that resulted from crushing the Nazi regime. The value system considering this was “the greater good.”
The problem with “the greater good” is that it implies there will be some victims. This value was accepted by the masses with very few, mostly silent voices, exceptions. “The greater good” was the prevalent value at the time of World War II and continued into the future.
In January 2002, George W Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act. The educational system was adopting a value system where “the greater good” was secondary to “victims” that had befallen within the educational system.
Subsequently the public began to adopt the value system of “no one left behind.” That required tor “the greater good” became secondary. The “victim” must be saved from collateral damage of “the greater good.”
So here we set today. I’m not saying which is the better value system, but IMO, that change of values significantly influenced where we are.
