This is an eon old religious war over a turf spat the USA has zero interest in.
Honestly don’t understand why we care. Let them kill each other over the strip of land they both seem willing to die for. Absolutely no reason we should bait attacks at home in defense of someone else’s fight. Unless we are trying to colonize for some reason, let’s get out.
(We as in the United States as a government entity-not individualized, emotionally charged personal responses).
Curious, what do you think Iran would do once Israel no longer has US support?
What activities do you think they would plan with their newest expansion?
Most likely attack Israel. Same answer from me.
I suppose they may try to further their own oil interests. I doubt they’d overrule the Saudis and OPEC, but if we want to maintain petro dominance then let’s quit getting involved in Vietnams, cut the shit and take over oil fields controlled by unfriendlies. We don’t need Israel for that.
Israel has had no real control over the internal, on the ground situation in Gaza for over 15 years. Gaza has independent self-governance and international self-representation. We are effectively already looking at a two state “solution.”
Whatever the conditions on the ground for people in Gaza prior to Oct 7th, it had very little to do with the Israeli government. They had 15 years to build something worth living in. They had access to international aid. The aid was repurposed to build weapons. In other words, I have no doubt that Gaza is a shithole. But what has that got to do with Israel? Why is Israel responsible for making Gaza livable when all the people in Gaza want to do is kill the Israelis?
There was no occupation. (If there was, why would we be talking about a ground invasion?) Gaza, for most practical purposes, is already an independent country. It took that independence and decided to invade a neighbor so that it could rape and murder women and little children. These aren’t freedom fighters. They already had freedom. They wanted to subjugate their neighbors. They don’t even know what freedom is. And they don’t want it, not for themselves and certainly not for Israel.
I think one of the biggest mistakes people make when it comes to policy is failing to believe what people actually say about themselves and their goals. This is true for both conservatives and liberals in the USA. I can’t speak on other places, but I suspect it is normal for secular people who’ve benefitted from peace to believe that most people want the same type of things that they do.
They don’t. Motivations vary wildly, and often-times people will tell you exactly what they want, yet people will still cling to idea that they don’t actually want what they say they do.
There is no historical analogue to the situation in Israel and Gaza. It is a unique situation. Hamas has forfeited it’s right to exist, which will come at great cost to the Palestinian people. That’s how I see the situation and the likely outcomes.
Hamas doesn’t see the likely outcomes as a cost or even a negative at all. Ushering devout souls into a state of eternal reward is an ideal outcome and, as evidenced by their behavior, an urgent priority.
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Thanks bud. Keep in mind that I was offering you advice earlier. If you read my words carefully you will see that I was not threatening you.
While I have no problem in your take in essence, it seems that decisions have drawn the average American (taxpayer) into this conflict by proxy already. Without the US, Israel would have had to learn how to behave like a human being for once.
Even if you were, it’s just words on the internet - none of this matters. Like at all.
I was being genuine about my offer to help you meet your goals too, though I suspect that help isn’t needed.
This is pure, unfiltered propaganda. It’s exactly the opposite. And it’s so obvious it hurts.
Wait, I thought Palestine had no guns and were in a concentration camp, and the Jews had all the guns.
So why didn’t they just… push Palestine into the ocean?
Well, didn’t we hear so much about the Warsaw uprising?
Didn’t you watch the Great Escape as a kid?
Israel is busy genociding millions of natives. They’ve stolen so much of their land it’s unreal, just check out a map. It’s a heroic uprising and every time the oppressors overstep in what can only be described as surreal hatred, the TV people are coming up with the most puzzling copes.
-“hehe, they’ve bombed their own hospital!”
-“those barbarians decapitated 40 babies!!” (“proof?”…crickets…)
Yes, they are truly trying to wipe out, displace or starve all Palestinians. You are watching it right now. What has to happen in order for you to recognize genocide?
I like how you evaded the question.
If the jews have all the guns, and the palestinians are nothing but unarmed prisoners, and the Jews would wipe them out if they had no guns… Why haven’t they?
Millions? Where are the millions of bodies? There are only a few million Palestinians. If the Israelis had genocided millions of them, wouldn’t there not be many left?
Didn’t you hear? They’re being genocided out by the evil jews.
The conflict is a two way street and it’s thousands of years old. I’m not picking a side.
Israelis consider me as insignificant as cattle, and wouldn’t lend a hand to help me if I couldn’t pay them or create a leverage situation of mutual benefit.
Hamas would torture me to death and kill my 4 year old evidently.
So in regards to “humanity”, by default I would side with Israel and just know they’re the friend I can’t really count on without tit for tat.
Ultimately the conflict has nothing to do with me, however, and I’d prefer to just watch the fight unfold from on top of the monkey bars.
Watch the news. One emotional appeal after another. Zero legitimate strategic alliance. Pass.
Again, they are doing it right now.
Palestinians had a whole country, now they have ghettos with zero autonomy. At which point will you admit
Aw-shucks, I guess it IS a genocide.
Were you outraged at the nonexistant baby killing? Or were you outraged when the American precision bomb shredded dozens of kids living as tent refugees to pulp?
Did they do that before or after they let that Red Cross supply group go into the strip?
Personally, I’ve never met an unfriendly Palestinian in my life and he never called me or my kids cattle. I cannot say the same about the other side.
Unfortunately, it’s hard to stay neutral on the monkey bars when our taxes go straight towards Jerusalem.
