I’m curious to ask “How does this affect us in the USA?”. I mean that in sincerity as I’m not versed in world politics. Since I’m not I just don’t know why it’s on us to play “World Police”. From what little I do know it sounds horrific. I’m not down playing atrocities.
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Right now, I don’t think it really does. But Israel is one of our most significant allies, and if Iran stops using Hamas as a cover - I could see the US getting involved. I could then see it going full NATO vs BRICS.
Doesn’t seem too far off tbh.
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We seem to have a lot of allies that do little more than help stop the spread of anti western ways. Again this is my uneducated opinion, I’m openly admitting that. May I ask if that’s incorrect and if so are we better off resolving the many problems we have at home? This is not me being snarky or facetious. Truly asking opinions.
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Agreed. I do tend to believe Israel to be one of these, but push has yet to come to shove.
Of course. We’ve also already sent over $75 billion to Ukraine - who ISN’T our ally or even a part of NATO - to fight off Russia.
If we are to be supporting a proxy war, I support Israel far more than I support Ukraine.
But yes, absolutely - we should be fixing our problems at home first. Maybe put up a border wall so we can stop letting an unprecedented number of FBI Most Wanted hall of famers into the country undocumented.
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I was thinking along the same line of thought.
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Yes I definitely have studied/ read that, its a whole book you can’t exhaust. I just get real puzzled when people think they have the answers for a situation only God has the answer for. The hatred runs too deep for a bunch of politicians drawing lines on a map to fix.
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Big picture. If Israel falls, or rather we let it fall, it’s the beginning of the end for the West. It will show we are truly unwilling to stand up to Islamic fascism and defend our values. Just look at the Americans who are protesting against Israel and support Palestinians. Even BLM is supporting Palestinians. The irony is that the Arabs, and the Palestinians are Arabs, probably enslaved more black Africans than Europeans and Saudi Arabia still had slavery in the 1960s.
Think about it. You have LGTBQetc. people supporting Palestinians even though they would be killed in Palestinian territory. To me the choice is clear: support Israel and support Western Civilization. Support Palestinians and you support those who want to see it fail, whether they be in the Middle East, the UK, France or the USA.
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Are you American? The problem is you are projecting how you relate to the world and rationalize onto a people, a region and culture that does not rationalize like Westerners.
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Jews, Muslims and Christians have coexisted within the same borders peacefully when Muslims were in control because they were able to make Christians and Jews second class citizens. It’s when the infidels are on equal terms that things go bad. It’s why Jews and Palestinians lived together peacefully when the Ottomans controlled the region. The Arabs were OK with being subjects of the Ottomans as long as it meant the Jews were under the same yoke.
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Good point, similar situation with the Romans come to think of it. Seems to be the only reliable way to get different people to coexist… provide someone else they can both hate more than each other.
I figure it was something like that. I’m just not sure that’s enough for me anymore. People will smile and say I love America (USA) to your face but when the camera is off, they could give two shits. I would rather improve relations / trade with anti western ideology bodies than play world police for those that have the same values but offer no intrinsic benefit for my hard working tax dollars. I’ll probably be called evil and other choice words from those that run/operate their lives on emotion. I just don’t for whatever reason.
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It was kinda subtle, but why I used it in the beginning of this thread-
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Not sure if i believe we are truly an allie of israel, with how we have been funding iran
No. Don’t do that.
A potentially misleading statement from you, and your link contains outright lies, fyi
On the other hand yeah, Imams can put things in ways to confuse people, which can be disastrous
It’s not a want, more like a need, huh?
Something tells me you haven’t tried very hard
Something tells me you believe your opinion is the only one that matters. Try to have an open mind or discussion without being condescending. Maybe you will learn something from people you coexist with. Maybe you will change your views and maybe you won’t but the way you compose yourself shuts down conversation. May I suggest you just come out and speak your peace rather than telling other parties they are wrong?
You are entitled to your opinion, but it is wrong. If that was true, I wouldn’t post.
I was trying, and am still open to. You see condescending in my reply, but can you see it in any of the material which I have quoted?
That’s interesting given it’s my first post in this thread. Please elaborate - it seems you’re speaking on a long term pattern you’ve been watching for a while.
Thanks for asking.
Palestine is a concentration camp. Israel has much in common with Nazi Germany. To turn Palestine into a glass parking lot would be to incinerate many, many children in a really big concentration camp.
And Palestinians have been dehumanized for so long that a great many people would be more upset if it was dogs.
Trying too hard to be not condescending would be a sin on my part. I’ll be erring, and I’ll be cautious too inshaAllah, but I’ll be erring on the other side of caution than what you seem to have preferred at first.
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Well, rational conversation is usually quite difficult to have when one compares the side their against to nazis. But here goes.
If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be peace in the Middle East.
If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no more Jews in the Middle East.
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History does not show that.
History does not show that either
True. It’s still possible though inshaAllah.
When one side systematically treats the other as subhuman, it gets reaaalllly difficult however
You mean like most of the Arab world pledging to wipe Israel off the map?