The Israel / Hamas Conflict

[cyclonengineer]

Are you okay?

Your posts get more incoherent by the day…

[fitafter40]

Good luck explaining those comments at the time of Judgement

[Bauber]

@jcpjcp

bulwark against the Orcs

I want to fight orcs.

Where is my chainmail and bastard sword?

[cyclonengineer]

Dibs on the battle hammer.

[twojarslave]

I was thinking the same thing. He seems quite unwell.

[mnben87]

I think T Nation should add something opposite of the heart / like button to PWI. Something like a thumbs down. It is needed in this thread.

[fitafter40]

Or the finger, lol

[zecarlo]

@jcpjcp

we’re dying for your sins right now because because the Jewish people in the land of Israel are the bulwark against the Orcs

It’s not like we aren’t giving you money and arms for your troubles. Did you think the Promised Land came without a price?

[Reichsritter]

That’s a terrible idea, low IQ idea.
Modern politics work around creating artificial mass consensus to further the agenda of billionaires and lobbies. Perspectives, views, minds and opinions are all carefully shephered into into two big camps which seem utterly opposed and seperated at first glance. But it all comes down to noise and frivolous details (buy this mug, retweet this scandal, click to stop the demonrats disinfo).

“Like” and “dislike” doesn’t do nothing. Political culture is at its lowest point. No reactions are better than a heart, but a like/dislike is even worse because it entrenches the idiotic and fake online partisanry.

[RT_Nomad]

@Reichsritter

That’s a terrible idea, low IQ idea.

@Reichsritter

“Like” and “dislike” doesn’t do nothing

Double negative. Nice! Makes a person wonder which side of the IQ curve you are.

[zecarlo]

If he isn’t a native English speaker then the double negative might not exist in his native language.

[mnben87]

There are reasons outside of partisan political views to dislike a post. In this thread there are several unhinged posts. There are also logical fallacies which I dislike (for example, the ad hominem you started your post with).

[RT_Nomad]

@zecarlo

the double negative might not exist in his native language.

And neither does mathematics.

[Reichsritter]

Of course there’s a multitude of reasons to dislike a post. The term “unhinged”, however, has recently changed into typical partisan language. By the way, I don’t imply that you are, it’s simply a consequence of what is happening today. Plus, it’s always the other side that is “completely unhinged”.
My point stands; the like/dislike modes of arguing (which inevitably happens once allowed) is poison. There can be no clean discourse when people one up each other and post to reap “hearts”.

Addendum:
There’s an easy trick to see if you are being manipulated. Compare your instinctive reactions to what the garbage media is peddling unisono. If you repeat that, your brain is half gone.

[mnben87]

@Reichsritter

The term “unhinged”, however, has recently changed into typical partisan language.

I suppose the posts I was referring to weren’t really related to partisan divide. I’ll quote you one of them.

@jcpjcp

I just want to say this to our Christian friends (doogie, zecarlo, @SkyzykS , @twojarslave , etc) you know just to call it as it is and say it straight out
You know you guys are worshiping one Jew that’s a mistake you should be worshiping every single one of us because we all die for your sins every single day and that’s exactly what’s going on here we’re we’re all God’s first borns we’re dying for your sins right now because because the Jewish people in the land of Israel are the bulwark against the Orcs

I suppose it has some politics in it, but that is crazy shit. Unhinged type stuff.

In addition, you could dislike posts that are divisive intentionally. We have plenty of that. We also have plenty of people who agree with others that vote for different parties in the US. I see good and bad from the major parties, so I usually agree with at least some points from the other side, and I think the party that gets most of my filled in dots at the ballot does plenty of stupid stuff, that I’ll happily agree with the other side, that those things are stupid.

I actually prefer T Nation to other political discourse because it is less partisan. Plenty of people here can agree or compromise on positions. Some less so than others.

[squating_bear]

@RT_Nomad

@squating_bear

@Silyak

@squating_bear Do you support the immediate release of all hostages without preconditions? Yes or No?

If Hamas decides to do that then I will support that decision. Last I checked they hadn’t, nor have I supported them

If you are to call logic as one of your core values, if someone asks you a “yes or no question” and you believe it is a fair “yes or no question,” your reply is either a “yes” or a “no” and absolutely nothing need be added, nor should be added. Adding anything to your “yes” or “no” reply suggests that you are qualifying your answer. This isn’t being logical. Now, if you don’t believe it is a clear, fair “yes or no question,” state that and that you cannot give a “yes” or “no” reply.

Thanks for the advice.
I do not consider the question to have been fair.

@RT_Nomad

@squating_bear

Sometimes it’s worth putting in effort to see eye to eye

Logic is cold and expresses no compassion.

Are you too young to recall the TV series Star Trek which had two characters of opposing values? The cold logical Mr. Spock and the passionate Dr. McCoy (Bones). They were constantly at odds with one another. They had very little common ground.

That’s funny, my Dad used to watch it for hours on end while me and my 2 brothers played with toys on the floor. I hated it. I decided to hate it prematurely. Others my age found value from it. Spock is often referenced and I remember him, but I don’t remember Bones.

@RT_Nomad

Logic is cold and expresses no compassion.

Logic has no preference for any temperature, it expresses according to the manipulations of the surrounding environment without care.

They had a dislike button but they got rid of it, which I agree was an improvement.

[SkyzykS]

@Reichsritter

but a like/dislike is even worse because it entrenches the idiotic and fake online partisanry.

I gave your post an ironic/sarcastic like just to be a dick.

[Silyak]

@squating_bear

Thanks for the advice.
I do not consider the question to have been fair.

Thanks. For all practical purposes, that is an answer to the question.

[RT_Nomad]

@squating_bear

@RT_Nomad

Logic is cold and expresses no compassion.

Logic has no preference for any temperature, it expresses according to the manipulations of the surrounding environment without care.

There is one aspect of logic that has its shortcomings. If logic is based from false premises, it is still logic, but nothing derived from false premises is of any value. Here is where a person’s belief can be troublesome.

All that said, I prefer to deal with someone who is logical. One of the people I knew was impeccably logical. It was imperative that I had to test his premises. There was often a premise that was “slid” in to make his point, but the premise was faulty.

[mnben87]

@RT_Nomad

There is one aspect of logic that has its shortcomings. If logic is based from false premises, it is still logic, but nothing derived from false premises is of any value. Here is where a person’s belief can be troublesome.

One of the rules of logic is that the premises have to be true for the conclusion to be true (in deductive reasoning).

Figuring out if the premise is true I suppose is a shortcoming or difficulty.