The Israel / Hamas Conflict

[zecarlo]

@squating_bear

Have I been a crybaby zecarlo? Have I gotten the sharp end?

Who was referring to you? Unless you are a so called Palestinian.

@squating_bear

Am I a placeholder in your mind for all Muslims,

I don’t give two shits about Muslims. There isn’t one Muslim I wish any harm for being a Muslim. But there are thousands of Muslims who would do me harm for not being a Muslim. So who exactly is in whose mind?

@squating_bear

Have I said the Israeli response in Gaza is unjust?

You have no choice but to think that.

@squating_bear

So it would seem that you think the real issue is my hypocrisy.

It can’t be hypocrisy when it’s religion. So believing one person, in this case Muhammad, can do something revolting and cowardly because he was the last prophet while infidels cannot do the same thing is not hypocritical.

@squating_bear

Was Muhammad (saw) not justified in your view?

He was a false prophet and deceiver, the voice of Satan, so I hope he’s burning in hell.

@squating_bear

He executed the men for treason.

Which historically speaking is debatable.

@squating_bear

Are you really willing to say that Israel today is better justified to incinerate babies than Muhammad (saw) was in executing traitors?

Since Israel isn’t incinerating babies, Hamas incinerates Palestinian children by strapping suicide vests to them (never their own kids of course), whatever point you’re trying to make is moot.

[squating_bear]

@RT_Nomad

@squating_bear

To me, these all seem to be describing Muhammad (saw)

@zecarlo

Islam rejects Pauline theology

I realize that Acts is not Pauline theology. But @squating_bear which of the 66 books of the Bible do you consider the Holy word of God?
(I acknowledge that the Catholics add the Apocrypha books to the Old Testament.)

So, can you list those books of the Bible that you believe are the written word of God?

None are held as preserved by Muslims. To me, any of them are open to suspicion, as they may have been modified, corrupted.

[squating_bear]

@fitafter40

My only question to squating_bear

How do you receive salvation and eternal life from Muhammed?

I was not planning to do so. My intention is to receive those things from God Almighty.

[twojarslave]

If this is the thread to discuss this conflict, it is failing in that purpose.

[squating_bear]

@twojarslave

If this is the thread to discuss this conflict, it is failing in that purpose.

Are you sure? A lot of people seem to think the alleged falseness of Islam is the actual root problem

You seemed to have alluded to that earlier yourself

@twojarslave

Hamas doesn’t see the likely outcomes as a cost or even a negative at all. Ushering devout souls into a state of eternal reward is an ideal outcome and, as evidenced by their behavior, an urgent priority.

Although you spoke more on a set of stances or interpretation of Islam, not everybody is going to be so quick to take a nuanced view

Even further, some people might even read what you wrote and think you blame Muhammad (saw) as they do…

I think lack of clarity on some foundational things causes lack of clarity all around

[twojarslave]

I see where you’re going with this, and I agree that the theology is pertinent. That’s why I wrote what I did about Hamas’ motivations, which they’ve been rather forthcoming about. Whether or not their interpretation of the faith is more devout than others is not something I have an opinion on. You can talk about this sort of stuff until the cows come home.

Meanwhile, there’s a war going on.

[squating_bear]

@zecarlo

@squating_bear

Are you really willing to say that Israel today is better justified to incinerate babies than Muhammad (saw) was in executing traitors?

Since Israel isn’t incinerating babies, Hamas incinerates Palestinian children by strapping suicide vests to them (never their own kids of course), whatever point you’re trying to make is moot.

I guess I’ll take it as you not being willing to say that yet then

Others in this thread have encouraged the incineration of Gazan babies

[SkyzykS]

@squating_bear

Others in this thread have encouraged the incineration of Gazan babies

Bullshit. Plain and simple. You’re taking a sarcastic exchange and trying to now use it as substance to justify a shitty position.

You’re either retarted or an asshole. Given your attempts to dance through the raindrops and justify bloody murder- Im going with asshole.

Kamala Snackbar or what ever.

Ironic though, that its Hamas that actually has murdered babies. In the name of your prophet none the less.

A non-scumbag would condem that, but have yet to see that from you.

[RT_Nomad]

@zecarlo

a corruption of Jesus’ teachings.

Would you consider that Muhammad corrupted the teaching of Jesus?

John 18:35, "Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

The Church is never commanded to bring in the kingdom of God by force in the New Testament. Who is trying to bring in the kingdom by force? Who is corrupting the teaching of Jesus?

@RT_Nomad

can you list those books of the Bible that you believe are the written word of God?

@squating_bear

None are held as preserved by Muslims.

Were the John chapter 18 verses teaching of Jesus? You state that:

@squating_bear

any of them are open to suspicion, as they may have been modified, corrupted

So we are left with no common ground for dialog.

I leave with this scripture passage:

Matt 26:52, "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?"

One angel killed 185,000 men (2 Kings 19:35). Jesus claimed to have enough power at His beacon call to kill over 13 trillion men. (you do the arithmetic) I bet Muhammad would like to have had that kind of power.

[squating_bear]

@SkyzykS

@squating_bear

Others in this thread have encouraged the incineration of Gazan babies

Bullshit. Plain and simple. You’re taking a sarcastic exchange and trying to now use it as substance to justify a shitty position.

No I asked zecarlo a question that he refused to answer on it’s allegedly irrelevance

I explained the relevance

How am I supposed to know what you, Bauber or OP really mean or have on the inside? You had repeated your shitty position a number of times, and in me trying to pull you to serious you just sarcastically took it farther into the worse

I’ve not used those words of you three as any justification for any of my positions. Only as a justification for one question to zecarlo, so far.

I do specifically think that Bauber was 100% serious

I don’t know about you or OP, I detected sarcasm but I don’t know where you’d land if serious. You’ve double and tripled down on it, I wasn’t going to assume

@Bauber

I am for wiping Hamas out and Israel should just take Palestine.

Might makes right. Israel has kept the kid gloves on for far too long.

Israel should have taken the option to move to NM / Arizona long ago and we could just glass the middle east and send the robots in to mine the oil. The entire area is nothing but a home base to grow and send terrorists / Islam out into the world.

You can’t fight or win over an ingrained ideology. The only way to beat it is to eradicate everyone that holds it.

I mean if everyone wants to put up with Islamic terrorism forever - cool.

That’s post #168 which you and OP both liked. Not sure if you, OP, Bauber want me eradicated or not.

[squating_bear]

@RT_Nomad

So we are left with no common ground for dialog.

If you say so

I still had a few questions if you don’t mind, but if you do mind then I respect that

[squating_bear]

@zecarlo

@squating_bear

Have I been a crybaby zecarlo? Have I gotten the sharp end?

Who was referring to you? Unless you are a so called Palestinian.

I have been told before that I am Palestinian

Can you please show me where in this post of yours were people supposed to get the clue that it’s addressed to Palestinians?

@zecarlo

@squating_bear

since it was justified

And right there is the issue. The same people who say the mass killing of all the men and adolescent boys and the enslavement of the women and children of a people who had surrendered was justified, will say the Israeli response in Gaza is unjust. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Don’t be a crybaby about it when you get the sharp end.

@zecarlo

@squating_bear

Am I a placeholder in your mind for all Muslims,

I don’t give two shits about Muslims. There isn’t one Muslim I wish any harm for being a Muslim. But there are thousands of Muslims who would do me harm for not being a Muslim. So who exactly is in whose mind?

I don’t understand your question. My question still seems unanswered and relevant given your response seems to be partly directed to me and partly directed to Palestinians

@zecarlo

@squating_bear

Was Muhammad (saw) not justified in your view?

He was a false prophet and deceiver, the voice of Satan, so I hope he’s burning in hell.

I guess I’ll take that as a no then?

@zecarlo

@squating_bear

He executed the men for treason.

Which historically speaking is debatable.

Any of history is debatable

[SkyzykS]

@squating_bear

That’s post #168 which you and OP both liked. Not sure if you, OP, Bauber want me eradicated or not.

You are a member of Hamas?

These hysterics of yours are very unbecoming, especially in light of the fact that it was Israel that was attacked by Hamas and their own people (and babies) that were gunned down and slaughtered in their homes.

And still no condemnation of the people that comitted this atrocity.

Just one long soliloquy about “but if they did, heres why…”, and now identifying as someone who has something to fear when we talk about annihilating Hamas.

hmmm…

[fitafter40]

Ok…and how does God Almighty grant you Eternal Life?

[squating_bear]

@jcpjcp

Israel knew about the attacks and has let it happen to have a reason to kick out all the Palestinians and send them to Europe or America. This is something they have been wanting to do for a long time. They even added their own fake staged propaganda on top of the real attacks.

It’s possible

I’m pretty sure the whole country didn’t know, but I would expect that at least some Israeli intelligence knew

Charlie Kirk | PBD Podcast | Ep. 314

Message to the Israeli people

Israeli journalist shares message after being attacked by mob over expressing solidarity with Gaza

[squating_bear]

@SkyzykS

@squating_bear

That’s post #168 which you and OP both liked. Not sure if you, OP, Bauber want me eradicated or not.

You are a member of Hamas?

No. I don’t see where you got that from at all (edit: found it)

@SkyzykS

and now identifying as someone who has something to fear when we talk

Yeah, see, maybe you’ll see it if I zoom all the way in

@Bauber

The entire area is nothing but a home base to grow and send terrorists / Islam out into the world.

Does he equate terrorism with Islam? I think he might. If he doesn’t, he’s probably got an attitude that it’s close enough while he’s gonna err on the side of caution that’s least good to me

@Bauber

Israel should have taken the option to move to NM / Arizona long ago and we could just glass the middle east

Are you really so blind that these need to be pointed out too you specifically? I already quoted the whole post to you and it’s not that big

[squating_bear]

@fitafter40

Ok…and how does God Almighty grant you Eternal Life?

?

I would guess by giving the Angel of Death some sort of promotion, but that’s just a silly guess

God needs no mechanism, He does what He wants

[fitafter40]

Your God does not tell you in the Quran?

[darnell_becker]

@squating_bear

I think there’s a ton of space for dozens of series on the Companions of Muhammad (saw), but I’d recommend leaving him one degree removed and never show him

I believe it might be the most prudent thing to do yes, considering there have been some overreactions regarding depictions of the prophet in recent years, which resulted in total cancellation of the artists, cartoonists, etc.

[zecarlo]

@RT_Nomad

Would you consider that Muhammad corrupted the teaching of Jesus?

Given that Mohammad was illiterate, he never read nor studied the Bible. He had a rudimentary knowledge of it that he based his religion on. Although I doubt how much of it was his creation and not the creation of those who are said to have written down his revelations. I believe Islam that as much as Islam calls Jesus a prophet and teacher, it rejects the core message of Jesus’ teachings.