The Israel / Hamas Conflict

[zecarlo]

@darnell_becker

Idris Elba would be perfect for the role. Mads Mikkelsen too. Maybe Ken Jeong if cachet is an issue.

I would pick Dylan Mulvaney.

[zecarlo]

@cyclonengineer

My guess is that kind of a film would not be well received by US audiences

I would have thought that at one time but upon seeing the antisemitism on display in America right now, I think there might be an audience for a movie that features the beheadings of hundreds of Jewish men and boys. Mohammad was a great role model for future generations of antisemitic sociopaths.

[darnell_becker]

@zecarlo

I would pick Dylan Mulvaney.

Be serious now. Mohammad would be turning in his grave, being associated with that Bud Light piss. Maybe he’d be fine with some twelve yearl old.
Whiskey.
Not Bud Light.

[Brant_Drake]

The Prince of Egypt was recognized as a great movie, and the did a ton of consulting with all Abrahamic religions.

[Njord]

@decimation

Not sure about the validity of rights to land by conquest. Ideally it should be mutual agreement. They had agreements but Israel have torn them up in other areas by new settlements and moving out Palestinians.

This would rewrite all of recorded history. Conquest is absolutely a valid means of ownership, but now they have to keep it.

[Njord]

@darnell_becker

This talk about Jesus and Muhammad made me realize the anti Muhammad bias that is rampant in Hollywood. I’ve seen Jesus played by Willem Dafoe, Jim Caviezel, or the ‘‘hot Jesus’’ guy, among others.
Yet, I’ve never seen a biopic or History Channel mini-series about Muhammad.

Now why is that?

I’d like to see an epic movie or series about the life and death of Muhammad.
Idris Elba would be perfect for the role. Mads Mikkelsen too. Maybe Ken Jeong if cachet is an issue.

But noooo.

You know why you won’t see a movie about Muhammad? Look who’s running Hollywood.
That’s why.

It’s especially weird when you consider the fact that Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship the same Mesopotamian god and all this fighting is over whose interpretation is most accurate.

[jshaving]

In this day and age, we wouldn’t be able to get an accurate depiction of who he actually was or what he actually did. It’d be portrayed in the best possible light, because people would freak out if it made Islam look bad at all.

Which I “understand”…but it just means you couldn’t do it in today’s world.

[squating_bear]

@zecarlo

@squating_bear

Muslims to have been injustice for entering the hypothetical battle(s) in the first place.

What exactly did the Visigoths in Spain do to Muslims in Syria?

I don’t know anything about that

The quote you pulled from was regarding Muslim armies under Muhammad (saw)

[zecarlo]

@jshaving

people would freak out if it made Islam look bad at all.

The question is, would mass beheadings make Islam look bad in the eyes of Muslims?

@squating_bear

I don’t know anything about that

You probably don’t know about the mass murder of Jews at Medina either.

[darnell_becker]

@Njord

It’s especially weird when you consider the fact that Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship the same Mesopotamian god and all this fighting is over whose interpretation is most accurate.

It’s especially weird when you consider the fact that none of that shit they believe in makes any sense but people need to find shit to fight about.

Now Odin on the other hand… Thor… The Norse gods. Now those folks are the real deal.
That’s why Idris Elba played one.

[darnell_becker]

@squating_bear

I don’t know anything about that

He is referring to the Muslim invasion of the Iberian Peninsula (current day Spain and Portugal) during the second caliphate.

[jshaving]

@zecarlo

The question is, would mass beheadings make Islam look bad in the eyes of Muslims?

Many Muslims I’ve heard say that’s not representative of real Islam. I know very little about the religion so I don’t have a good response to that.

[darnell_becker]

@jcpjcp

Not they are not, far from it and that is clear just by how the God act in the old vs new testament.

Yaweh is not the christian God

I thought he was but had just mellowed with age and dealt with his anger issues. Having kids can have that effect on you, even one like Jesus.

[RT_Nomad]

@squating_bear

And so I think Christians all too often fail when they research Muhammad (saw) because it’s like they are comfortably sniping evil Gazan fish in a barrel from a safe cozy distance. I could be wrong but I think the Christian thing to do would be to research Muhammad’s (saws) character as if you are the fish in the barrel and God (“the father”, so to speak) is the sniper

As I see the Bible, God makes no commandment, or even suggestion, that we should examine any god but the God of the Bible. If you know a verse or passage, please mention it.

IMO, the entirety of the word of God is in the 66 books of the Bible. God’s chosen people were the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Most important, they were chosen to bring the word of God to the world.
Romans 3:1-2, "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Please note: This is how interpret the Bible. I hold to two undeniable truths in the world:

1. the mathematical axioms
2. The Bible

And note: Science is ever evolving and developing. It is far from truth.

[darnell_becker]

@RT_Nomad

I hold to two undeniable truths in the world:

1. the mathematical axioms
2. The Bible

I don’t know about the bible being un undeniable truth. Seems very deniable to plenty of people.

[zecarlo]

@jshaving

Many Muslims I’ve heard say that’s not representative of real Islam.

Because they never read the Koran. The founder of their religion, the last prophet, ordered the beheadings of hundreds of Jewish men and boys in Medina and the enslavement of the women and children. These were people who had surrendered and were treated with zero mercy. This isn’t even disputed by Muslims as it’s in the Koran.

[Njord]

@jcpjcp

Not they are not, far from it and that is clear just by how the God act in the old vs new testament.

Yaweh is not the christian God and the jewish sects that matter would worship the demiurge or Satan anyway. The christian God is not the exclusive God of a group of people.

I don’t know that much about Islam but they do think Jesus is a prophet of God

They all worship of a variation of a much older Sumerian religion, with unique twists in interpretation. The specifics you are addressing are exactly what I’m talking about. The overall theologies come from a shared root, however.

[RT_Nomad]

@darnell_becker

I don’t know about the bible being un undeniable truth

I should have qualified my statement. Those two are my undeniable truths.
With the Bible as my undeniable truth, I can put all my trust in what it says. If I don’t understand something, it is on me to search and pray to uncover more of the truth.

[zecarlo]

@darnell_becker

I don’t know about the bible being un undeniable truth.

You have to reconcile truth with facts. The story of the Garden of Eden can be read, and probably should be read, as an allegory that speaks to a truth and not as a collection of facts. In fact, over 1,500 years ago religious scholars and doctors of the church scoffed at the idea that it could be a literal history. Spinoza probably made the best observation when he said the authors of the Torah and Bible were not educated men who understood science and math but men with a strong sense of morals and that, morality, was their main concern, not explaining the biological reality behind the creation of life.

[squating_bear]

@RT_Nomad

@zecarlo

Muslims will also use PBUH for Jesus (Isa)

I really want to see @squating_bear explanation. I am looking for why the difference, between (was) and (as) and how he would describe the distinction.

Zecarlo was correct and I know of a little more

When mentioning any of the prophets we (Muslims) are to say alayhi Salam, shortened to (as). Or in English pbuh as “peace be upon him” is what it translates to

When mentioning Muhammad (saw), salAllahu 'alayhi wa salaam, it means Allah’s connection be upon him and peace. I don’t like pbuh here because it cuts off half of the meaning, and in any cases - it’s supposed to be a miniature prayer for any of the prophets.

Why something extra for Muhammad (saw)?

It’s ordered within the Quran for Muslims to say something along the lines of saw upon Muhammad (saw) in Quran (33:56)

And I think there’s hadiths on it as well

That’s my description of the distinction, but why does the Quran do this? What’s the deeper wisdom?

I don’t know to the level of three layers deep to be confident

Many things come to mind, but in sharing them now I would be forcing it