The Iran Problem

[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
Oh my, they “attacked” your embassy…

Dirty warmongering ragheads…

The United States Army repeatedly stormed Iranian consulates in Iraq. Diplomats are still held prisoners.

Diplomats that were caught red handed aiding terrorist groups.

Like American diplomates helping the Iranian branch of the PKK?

Or American diplomates aiding in the overthrow of Mossadegh?

Either way, your embassy seems to have been a valid target…

If one went as far as judging Iranians by the standards Americans apply to themselves…

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Do we even have diplomats in Iran?

Zap, how about some evidence of that “caught red handed aiding terrorist groups” claim? You can’t just go around throwing serious accusations like that without backing them up.

Surely, if you had a grain of evidence, you wouldn’t be considering their release, now would you?

US ‘to release’ Iranians in Iraq

Tuesday, 6 November 2007

P.S: Fox may harm your critical thinking more than you think.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap, how about some evidence of that “caught red handed aiding terrorist groups” claim? You can’t just go around throwing serious accusations like that without backing them up.

Surely, if you had a grain of evidence, you wouldn’t be considering their release, now would you?

US ‘to release’ Iranians in Iraq

Tuesday, 6 November 2007

P.S: Fox may harm your critical thinking more than you think.[/quote]

We have to release them. They are diplomats. Their guilt has nothing to do with it.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
We have to release them. They are diplomats. [/quote]

Don’t give me that crap. Such issues are of no concern to the US and you know it. A hyperpower doesn’t have to do things. The US army wouldn’t have stormed the embassy if they gave a rat’s ass about diplomacy or any protocol. Heck, they wouldn’t have bombed and invaded Iraq to start with.

Translation: We got nothing on them, but kept them locked up to push Tehran to respond and pocket a casus belli.

Better luck next time.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
We have to release them. They are diplomats.

Don’t give me that crap. Such issues are of no concern to the US and you know it. A hyperpower doesn’t have to do things. The US army wouldn’t have stormed the embassy if they gave a rat’s ass about diplomacy or any protocol. Heck, they wouldn’t have bombed and invaded Iraq to start with.

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Wrong country pal. Iran is the country that keeps diplomats and secretaries hostage.

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Their guilt has nothing to do with it.

Translation: We got nothing on them, but kept them locked up to push Tehran to respond and pocket a casus belli.

Better luck next time.[/quote]

Wrong again. They are being released because they can do no further harm and it is one less thing for idiots to whine about.

The Iranians and their proxies Hezbollah have practiced kidnapping both in Iran and Lebanon for 2 decades before we held “the diplomats”.

Perhaps now they know how it feels to be held hostage.

Why is it wrong for the US to back anti-Iranian groups, but Iran arming Hezbollah and Hamas is continually white washed?

If Iran does not wish the US to take diplomats prisoner and use proxies, maybe Iran should not have done so first.

The Iranians and their proxies Hezbollah have practiced kidnapping both in Iran and Lebanon for 2 decades before we held “the diplomats”.

Perhaps now they know how it feels to be held hostage.

Why is it wrong for the US to back anti-Iranian groups, but Iran arming Hezbollah and Hamas is continually white washed?

If Iran does not wish the US to take diplomats prisoner and use proxies, maybe Iran should not have done so first.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
We have to release them. They are diplomats.

Don’t give me that crap. Such issues are of no concern to the US and you know it. A hyperpower doesn’t have to do things. The US army wouldn’t have stormed the embassy if they gave a rat’s ass about diplomacy or any protocol. Heck, they wouldn’t have bombed and invaded Iraq to start with.

Their guilt has nothing to do with it.

Translation: We got nothing on them, but kept them locked up to push Tehran to respond and pocket a casus belli.

Better luck next time.[/quote]

Iran wouldn’t be arming death squads with market bombs if they cared about diplomacy. Get the heck out with the faked outrage. Stop playing the pacifist, it doesn’t become you anymore.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
The Iranians and their proxies Hezbollah have practiced kidnapping both in Iran and Lebanon for 2 decades before we held “the diplomats”.

Perhaps now they know how it feels to be held hostage.

Why is it wrong for the US to back anti-Iranian groups, but Iran arming Hezbollah and Hamas is continually white washed?

If Iran does not wish the US to take diplomats prisoner and use proxies, maybe Iran should not have done so first.[/quote]

These are great points, but the Iranian supporters won’t acknowlege them. In thier world, Iran doesn’t support terrorism.
We did not kidnap those diplomats, they are members of the Revolutionary Guard Corps. Iran uses its embassies around the world to support terrorist groups. The senior diplomats are usally IRGC. Iran is backing Al Queda right now, and has supported Al Queda linked terrorist groups such as Ansar Al Islam since the late 1990s.
Lixy should be familiar with Ansar Al Islam, its leader Mullah Krekar lives in Norway. If I had to guess, that is who Lixy is affiliated with and he recieves his talking points from AAI websites.
Iran is attempting to keep the suspects in the 1995 Buenos Aires Jewish Center bombing off of the INTERPOL most wanted list, because they routinely deny supporting terrorism. If the international community manages to roll these guys up and they begin to talk, it will directly implicate Iran in international terrorism.

Great insight there BH6, The freaking Iranians never admit to crap. They always play the victim, which muslim terrorists love doing.

Case in point:

"MARRAKECH, Morocco - Iran’s standoff with the West on issues like violence in Iraq and Tehran’s nuclear ambitions moved to an unlikely forum Tuesday: Interpol’s general assembly.

Iranian envoys at the meeting in Morocco accused Israel and the United States of turning the international police agency into a political tool as it considers whether to put five Iranians and a Lebanese man on its most-wanted list.

Delegates in Marrakech will vote Wednesday on whether to issue “red notices” for six men allegedly linked to a 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires that killed 85 people �?? Argentina’s worst terror attack.

Argentine prosecutors have accused Iranian officials of orchestrating the bombing and entrusting the Lebanon-based militant group Hezbollah with carrying it out.

If the notices are approved, “Interpol will become a toy for every country to use against another country,” said Mahmoud Esfahaninejad, a legal adviser to the Iranian team.

The case injects a rare dose of geopolitical drama into the 186-nation police organization based in Lyon, France. Its main mission is to unite countries in the fight against crime on issues like drug trafficking, smuggling of people and goods, and fighting Mafia-style organizations and terror groups.

In March, Interpol’s executive committee backed Argentina’s request to put out red notices for the six, including a former Iranian intelligence chief and a former leader of the country’s elite Revolutionary Guards.

Mohammad Ali Pakshir, another Iranian legal adviser, claimed that the United States and Israel “want Interpol to issue the red notices to be able to tell the world, ‘Look, they are terrorists.’”

Iranian delegates lobbied colleagues by handing out dossiers written in several languages explaining their case. Among their arguments: Argentina’s investigation was flawed, if not corrupt; some witnesses cited in that probe were themselves wanted by Interpol; Iran quickly condemned the bombings; a bilateral resolution would be better.

The delegates said the Iranians sought by Argentina are innocent.

Delegates from the United States, Argentina and Israel declined comment before the vote, with some saying they didn’t want to be drawn into Iran’s accusations about politicizing the issue.

Iran is already under pressure for its defiance of U.N. Security Council demands that it stop enriching uranium, a step that could lead to production of nuclear weapons. Tehran insists that program is peaceful and intended only to generate electricity.

In addition, the United States accuses Iran of sending weapons into Iraq and Afghanistan �?? a claim Tehran denies.

A red notice for five Iranians would put Iran on the defensive again. Such notices don’t force countries to arrest or extradite suspects, and Esfahaninejad said Iranian law does not allow for the extradition of Iranian nationals.

No one has been convicted in Argentina in connection with the blast, in which a van stuffed with explosives leveled the seven-story Jewish center and shook Argentina’s 200,000-strong Jewish community.

Former Iranian intelligence chief Ali Fallahian, former Revolutionary Guard chief Mohsen Rezaei and Hezbollah militant Imad Moughnieh are among the six men sought by Argentina."

These pussies shouldn’t play if they do not want to pay. They get exactly what they deserve and no amount of finger pointing or white washing will ever change that.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
The Iranians and their proxies Hezbollah have practiced kidnapping both in Iran and Lebanon for 2 decades before we held “the diplomats”.

Perhaps now they know how it feels to be held hostage.

Why is it wrong for the US to back anti-Iranian groups, but Iran arming Hezbollah and Hamas is continually white washed?

If Iran does not wish the US to take diplomats prisoner and use proxies, maybe Iran should not have done so first.[/quote]

It is both wrong.

The US just do not get to justify an attack with something they do all the time.

This is not good vs evil, but murderous scum vs slightly less murderous scum.

The slightly less murderous scum gets to command the resources of the richest nation on Earth though which makes up for a lot of murderous intent.

And they bitch and moan all the time about things they covertly do themselves which is hypocritical, annoying and self-defeating.

[quote]orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
The Iranians and their proxies Hezbollah have practiced kidnapping both in Iran and Lebanon for 2 decades before we held “the diplomats”.

Perhaps now they know how it feels to be held hostage.

Why is it wrong for the US to back anti-Iranian groups, but Iran arming Hezbollah and Hamas is continually white washed?

If Iran does not wish the US to take diplomats prisoner and use proxies, maybe Iran should not have done so first.

It is both wrong.

The US just do not get to justify an attack with something they do all the time.

This is not good vs evil, but murderous scum vs slightly less murderous scum.

The slightly less murderous scum gets to command the resources of the richest nation on Earth though which makes up for a lot of murderous intent.

And they bitch and moan all the time about things they covertly do themselves which is hypocritical, annoying and self-defeating.

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Sometimes I wonder about you.

[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

It is both wrong.

The US just do not get to justify an attack with something they do all the time.

This is not good vs evil, but murderous scum vs slightly less murderous scum.

The slightly less murderous scum gets to command the resources of the richest nation on Earth though which makes up for a lot of murderous intent.

And they bitch and moan all the time about things they covertly do themselves which is hypocritical, annoying and self-defeating.

… he self-righteously yells up from Austria, the moral low-ground which has literally overflowed the ranks of the Murderous Scum Hall of Fame.

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60 years ago, while the victims of the US are dying now.

But hey, rally behind “At least we´re better than the Nazis!”

Not much of a battle cry after “Land of the free, home of the brave” but it seems to be all you have left.

[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

It is both wrong.

The US just do not get to justify an attack with something they do all the time.

This is not good vs evil, but murderous scum vs slightly less murderous scum.

The slightly less murderous scum gets to command the resources of the richest nation on Earth though which makes up for a lot of murderous intent.

And they bitch and moan all the time about things they covertly do themselves which is hypocritical, annoying and self-defeating.

… he self-righteously yells up from Austria, the moral low-ground which has literally overflowed the ranks of the Murderous Scum Hall of Fame.

60 years ago, while the victims of the US are dying now.

But hey, rally behind “At least we´re better than the Nazis!”

Not much of a battle cry after “Land of the free, home of the brave” but it seems to be all you have left.

Wrong, dickhead.

“At least we’re NOT the Nazis” (unlike you) is more accurate.

And “Land of the Free, Home of the Brave” is a lot better than “Land of the Gas Oven, Home of the Dead Jews,” now isn’t it?

I realize that putting others down makes you feel less guilty about the millions you slaughtered, but why don’t you try letting the knowledge of what your cesspool of a country did inform and temper your comments a little bit? Hmmm, Adolph?

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I do not feel the slightest bit of guilt for things that took place 30 years before I was born.

Since you use those incidents to rationalize/justify the actions of Imperial America instead of learning from it I do not quite get your point.

“Hell yeah, we kill people, but in the name of Freedom!”

“But Mommy, Mommy, Adolf and Josef were so much worse…”

“US Army: Killing people for a higher oil prize since 2003!”

Latest news: The US released the Iranians “diplomats” held in Iraq.

[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

I do not feel the slightest bit of guilt for things that took place 30 years before I was born.

How about your grandfather? Does he feel any guilt? Are you too fucking stupid to “get it” that things are not as simple as “bad, bad America?” (Don’t answer that; I know the answer already.)

So tell me, Adolph, what would YOU have done had you been a contemporary of old Grandad? Tell us all how you would have been so noble, and saved all those poor Jews, Poles, etc. Really. I want to hear how YOU would have made things different.

Since you use those incidents to rationalize/justify the actions of Imperial America instead of learning from it I do not quite get your point.

You’re so busy hating the US that you can’t even comprehend what you read. Please oh wise one, tell me. Where did I claim to support the war in Iraq? Never mind. You’re a waste of bandwidth.

“Hell yeah, we kill people, but in the name of Freedom!”

Don’t know who you’re quoting here, but even if it’s true, sounds like they’ve evolved WAY past “Hell yeah, we kill people, but in the name of the master race!”

“But Mommy, Mommy, Adolf and Josef were so much worse…”

So, did your mom finally understand what her sweet old dad did (or allowed to happen), or is she still one of those who “looks away” from your country’s atrocities?"

“US Army: Killing people for a higher oil prize since 2003!”

“Whorion: Saving the world, one weightlifter at a time.” (Or do you actually DO anything about your beliefs besides type behind a pseudonym, on a training site?)

PS What’s an “oil prize?”
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That is when the oil price becomes the prize of war.