The History Thread

That one is pretty bad

The Russians make the worst ones

For example, Battle for Sevastopol is ostensibly about Lyudmila Pavlichenko, but they got the details of her life completely wrong to the point of being disrespectful (adding love interests, getting the name of her actual wartime husband wrong) and barely showed the defence of Sevastopol……
What I found funny is that the opening credits say “sponsored by the Russian Ministry of Culture”, but considering that 1) someone playing Eleanor Roosevelt narrates a nontrivial portion of it (English speaking voice actor, dubbed over in Russian)
2) considerable number of very not subtle (and justified) criticisms of the Soviets
I would have thought the movie was a US film if I’d watched the English dub

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I still sing Sink the Bismarck in the shower.

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In my case it’s what can be best described a light/hardcore scenario. We’ll visit a historical site/museum as a family and do the “light” experience and then while the wife and kids are doing normal human stuff such as relaxing or shopping I come back for a hardcore nerd experience where for example it’s not uncommon for me to spend 8+ hours in a military museum (Imperial War Museum in London cough cough).

All Russian WW2 movies from the Putin era are garbage as history was rewritten to justify the current imperial agenda.

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I’m a big fan of Darrel Cooper’s Martyr Made podcast and substack.

His seminal work was the “Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem” where he tackled the origins of the Israel/Palestine conflict. It was a very even handed take on the history and didn’t shy away from casting stones at both sides.

His series on the Jonestown Massacre and Jim Jones’ tie in with the black power movement was also excelent.

Not to be missed is his 9 hour breakdown of the Epstein saga and his ties to the CIA, MOSAD, and certain Attorneys General (just wait till you hear about Bill Barr’s dad)

Also of note is his history of the Coal Rebellions and his “Who’s America Is It” series.

La’

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This video was a whole lot more informative than the Presidential debate, thanks for youtube to recommending it. It also reminded me of one of my favorite historical fiction movies, Master and Commander. I wish they would make more in that series of books.

@anna_5588 This video was a collaboration with Drachinifel and I thought it was really great. I love seeing high-quality, low-budget productions taking advantage of technology to tell the stories of history.

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I just finished Eagle Against The Sun by Ronald Spector and I’m learning that I enjoy going beyond broad historical narratives and diving into the details. Every book I’ve read that’s been referenced on a Dan Carlin podcast has been very interesting and worth the read.

To that end, I’ve been watching a guy called TikHistory lately, and really enjoying all of his content.

I’m currently on episode 7 of his at least 50 part series on Stalingrad, all of which I’ve found compelling viewing because it is a very good level of detail for me to dive deeper into and follow along without much trouble.

If you know nothing about the major operations of WWII you will be completely lost and not enjoy the next 30 hours or so, however long the entire series actually is. Each episode runs around 30 minutes, which is a good size bite for me to take.

@jshaving He’s also done a good job of answering your earlier question along the lines of “where do these political ideas even come from?”. I’ve found his presentation to be pretty even-handed and well-supported.

Today he’s tackling a pretty important issue that has just been enabled by technological progress.

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This series is what made me subscribe to his channel.

He also has great series on El Alamein

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I’m loving it so far. It is amazing what a guy like him can achieve with his education and modern technology.

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I’m up to episode 13 of TIKHistory’s Stalingrad series and it is definitely proving that some of the shortened stories of Germany’s cakewalk to the Volga were missing a few important details. It is very impressive, very compelling viewing and very well-supported.

I just finished this short video and found it to be a wonderful discussion that puts the present into better focus for me. An hour with three titans.

How some people who call themselves “historians” can present such a dramatically different view of the world and still be taken as seriously as they are is mind-blowing.

I find the simplification of German advances quite irritating.
The German military didn’t cakewalk across any of the territories it conquered. Losses were much higher than expected even during the Polish campaign and their logistics and intelligence were jokes… Cosidering that Japanese logistics and intelligence were more or less non existent, birds of a feather??

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Nazis are overrated. So were the Japanese. It makes sense that they were. It had propaganda purposes on all sides of the war. Secrets had to be kept, too. I think it is kinda neat how we continue to learn more. It is part of why history has spoiled me on fiction.

I’m very excited for the future of history as an academic pursuit and a pop culture topic, especially with free thought coming back into style.

I marvel at TIKHistory’s one-man tour-de-force on Stalingrad and how it was made possible by technology in 2020. I am eager to learn what kind of pictures of history people will be able to paint with AI and future processing power 20 years from now.

Hopefully it doesn’t go dystopian on us.

We will need AI to process all of the writings that have been captured in the last 30 years. Our distant ancestors were limited to simple stone carvings and the like to leave as a footprint to be studied.

The internet has enabled us to convey so much information about ourselves to future humans. We have left a lot of really weird stone carvings for them to examine in detail.

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@anna_5588 As a point of clarification, MY distant ancestors were limited to simple stone carvings and the like.

YOUR distant ancestors wrote an awful lot of stuff down for an awful long time that we’re still in the process of understanding in English.

History is awesome in it’s endlessness of pursuit and I’m glad you’re interested in it.

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Mark Felton delivers with this one!

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I agree. This hits very close to home since I have family from my grandpa’s side who’ve directly dealt with Japanese Occupation. I’ve got another close friend who also had family who lived through Japanese Occupation.

Wish they’d teach it more, it’s just as brutal. The entire theater is overlooked in my opinion. Especially the Sino-Japanese War. Always was disappointed when History Class would skim over that piece of history.

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I think the best modern historical work is Will and Ariel Durant’s Pulitzer Prize winning series The Story of Civilization written over forty years and covering most of both Western and Eastern human history until the 1800s. Brilliantly written and astonishing in scope, it is sometimes unfairly slandered by jealous academics. I’ve read it three times, which took a while.

There are a number of more focused histories about specific wars. I enjoy Ken Burns balanced views of the Civil War and the Vietnam War. Few historians wrote about WW2 with the eloquence and knowledge of Churchill. Shirer’s depiction of the rise of NSDAP is without parallel. Studs Terkel gives great insight into social history with very personal perspectives.

I was lucky to have had a gifted history teacher in high school who balanced teaching ancient and modern history with a detailed analysis of what was going on in the world at that time (with the relevant background to fully understand these things). This started a lifelong interest in history and decades of enjoying The Economist.

I am not familiar with many of the podcasts listed. So can’t compare these.

Agree. I think another aspect overlooked is how indiscriminate the Japanese were with their brutality. Towards the end of the war, their own soldiers weren’t doing much better than the civillians they occupied since they were expected to “live off the land” with practically non existent logistics to deliver food and supplies
There were also cases where German civillians trying to help locals were executed

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Have you listened to Carlin’s “supernova in the east?” I just got to episode 4. Its so good.

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I have listened to that one twice now. I worked through Carlin’s entire catalog when I had a long commute. I think Supernova is the best of the entire lot. It’s what, 26 hours long or something like that? It’s where I learned about Eagle Against The Sun.

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Really been on a Pacific Binge lately. Military History really does a great job at outlining strategies, doctrine and more complicated dives into logistics, more so than any other YouTube channel I’ve come across. Really like his format and way he lays out info.

Hearing about the dysfunction between the IJN and IJA never gets old either lol

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Do you like the fat electrician?

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