So… HGH - you can buy 100iu for $300? That’s pretty good and affordable.
Is this true?
[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
So… HGH - you can buy 100iu for $300? That’s pretty good and affordable.
Is this true?[/quote]
That’s on the expensive side for unlabeled or generic GH.
Also, it depends on if you order domestic or international.
Phamarcy price is like $20 per IU.
[quote]mephistopheles wrote:
Phamarcy price is like $20 per IU. [/quote]
Holy shit!!!
“Holy shit!!!”
I know, it has been going up every year too. Due to very high demand in the anti-aging/HRT industry.
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
So far my comments on the GH run solo are:
- recovery is improved (not as good as gear but better than natural)
- my muscles are starting to look a little fuller but maybe it is just fat loss making them look that way
- I’ve lost no muscle mass even when doing very high volume work and not getting enough protein
- I am staying lean even when my diet is not that great
- I get very nice pumps during my workout (not as good as on dbol but pretty close)
- my strength is good as long as I train conservatively (can’t do the kind of volume I do on gear and I don’t feel the explosive power I have on gear but I am putting up weights similar to where I was at the end of the cycle so I am sure I will make some immediate gains when I am back on again)
- doesn’t do much of anything for endurance
I learned all these things from running it alone…[/quote]
To add some more to the above on a different “rat”, regarding endurance:
AT increased from 162 to 168 (4 months)
RHR down to 43, VO2 Max @ 81.
Recovery from 95% to 75% (Max HR), under 10 sec.
The above is a short of the benefits I perceive from HGH.
To add some background:
Normal use, 4 Ui Ed (2 Ui morning, 2ui noon), with excellent rejuvi effect, fat loss…
Now that im sold on the pulsing, began the modified protocol 3 weeks ago (8 ui EOD) with “no” AAS to assess sides, benefits perceived over the previous protocol, X2 faster recovery and incredible pumps.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
You have a VO2 max of 80? Not trying to naysay you, but olympic athletes have VO2 max around 80-85. How accurate was your testing?
Or maybe you are indeed an olympic athlete and I need to STFU, lol.
BBB[/quote]
I sense “endurance athlete” on the horizon…RHR is loooow.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
You have a VO2 max of 80? Not trying to naysay you, but olympic athletes have VO2 max around 80-85. How accurate was your testing?
Or maybe you are indeed an olympic athlete and I need to STFU, lol.
BBB[/quote]
My method of testing Might be skewed, I use the “New Leaf” by Medgraphics Company.
Triathlets I HIIT with are into the 84-88 range.
I was never a Elite/Olympic athlete, My sports were Rugby, 200 Mts and Discus.
Today ski, snowboard, MTB and sprint triathlons.
[quote]Mr NO wrote:
To add some more to the above on a different “rat”, regarding endurance:
AT increased from 162 to 168 (4 months)
RHR down to 43, VO2 Max @ 81.
Recovery from 95% to 75% (Max HR), under 10 sec.
The above is a short of the benefits I perceive from HGH.
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That is very exciting to me. I want to be tested for performance like that.
It would actually make me bother and cooperate fully just to see what my body could do.
I could definitely set a goal like that and happily see it through.
Can I set up these tests myself or do I need to hire a coach to do it?
Did you monitor your performance on your own?
What about your nutrition over the 6 months? I never really diet, when I regain full strength I just train more and the fat drops. Being you are an endurance athlete how about carbs?
I am curious since a keto diet is recommended with GH.
If I am derailing the thread again can you PM me the information?
I would be greatfull.
Great stuff!
PM sent, avoid derailing
Is there a particular age where you could say there is an increased benefit from hGH use? Like, DHEA, for example, where there tends to be a natural drop off around age 35.
Sorry to drag up an old thread, but I plan on trying this protocol out. I will not be using AAS though. I will try it out with 100 mgs per day of SARMS s4. Also, since we are trying to mimic the endogenous production of GH, I plan on dividing the doses (instead of 4x2 or 5x2 etc.) like this: A larger dose 1st thing in the morning, done IV, a slightly smaller dose, done IM, pre-workout, same size dose as the pre-workout post-wortout, but done IV. Then a very small dose, probably only 1 or 2 IUs done IM before bed.
Comments on that?
[quote]JohnnyChainsaw wrote: Also, since we are trying to mimic the endogenous production of GH, I plan on dividing the doses (instead of 4x2 or 5x2 etc.) like this: A larger dose 1st thing in the morning, done IV, a slightly smaller dose, done IM, pre-workout, same size dose as the pre-workout post-wortout, but done IV. Then a very small dose, probably only 1 or 2 IUs done IM before bed.
Comments on that?[/quote]
Yes, I have done that ( except all doses IV ).
I found it much more beneficial.
Old I know but been reading it for a while and seems like its the time to try.
BBB would you be kind enough to chime in about how does it sound for a 101kg/12% bodyfat with aesthetics in mind?
5ui EOD, 1,2g test cip along
Morning (cardio):
2ui IV before empty stomach 45min session
Evening:
40mg dbol 1h before training
1ui IM 15min before training, 10g leucine
30g dextrose/40g whey/10g leucine during active recovery (easy 10min walk)
2ui IV pwo, 30g dextrose, 20g whey 20min later and same shake 45h later, solid mean
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
It’ll work, but there are much better ways to do things IMO.
I don’t have my athletes/BBers do morning cardio (at least, not as you would recognise it) and NEVER fasted, even with a GH shot inside them.
Also, why would you come here and ask me whether I would recommend 5iu EOD, when I clearly recommend something else, right in this very thread, lol.
BBB[/quote]
LOL I should have specified better, sorry. You wrote about the “poor man´s protocol”, before (1,5ui IM) and after (2,5ui IV) WO shots, I just thought it might be a little tweak in it using more slightly uis… my access to hgh is very limited right now and I figured out it´d be the best way to use the supply I´ll be able to get still trying to follow your premises. I understand I wont get permanent meso changes but may be a good compromise between fatburning and muscle building.
What you think about the peri workout nutrition? Is it coerent with gh use?
Thanks!
Which hgh would you recommend for price and effectivness??
[quote]mojo942 wrote:
What you think about the peri workout nutrition? Is it coerent with gh use?
Thanks![/quote]
Peri-workout nutrition is applicable, nay essential whether you are on GH or AAS, or not.
BBB
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
Peri-workout nutrition is applicable, nay essential whether you are on GH or AAS, or not.
BBB[/quote]
BBB, I meant the peri wo nutrition I wrote in my post:
1ui IM 15min before training, 10g leucine
30g dextrose/40g whey/10g leucine during active recovery (easy 10min walk)
2ui IV pwo, 30g dextrose, 20g whey 20min later and same shake 45h later, solid mean
sounds good?