The HGH Experiment

Ok so 2 weeks on my protocol. It is as follows:
Sunday, Tues, Thursday injects
2.5iu’s precardio/IV
2.5iu’s preworkout/IM
5iu’s pwo/IV

Now I am on Palumbo’s keto diet and have been losing an average of 2.5lbs every week for the past 10 weeks (yes was a fatty when started, so started very early). The past 2 weeks I have lost no weight from my refeeds and haven’t changed anything but adding in the IV injects. Now what I find fascinating as I am definitely getting leaner and harder as I have a posing coach and a diet coach who watch my body composition every week. If this continues I could probably stay right around the weight I am at now and come in a lot bigger than I initially thought.

[quote]BUSHMASTER wrote:

2.5iu’s precardio/IV
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How are you finding the effects of the IV pre cardio if any?

[quote] Brook wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Brook wrote:
and it is something that once done, will be with you forever IMPO.

Yes, I understand. That is how I feel about sex.

I am not flirting JUST SAYING

: )

Depends who you have sex with… ;)[/quote]

Just as you wouldn’t just “shoot” anything you shouldn’t just shoot anyone, right?

Right.

I don’t believe in natural selection - in that area I have opted for intelligent choice.

Obviously, I haven’t been intelligent enough so here I am riding my bike by night and cuddling my supplements in the morning

; )

Brook, on a serious note:

I recall you said on the GHRP-6/IFG thread you thought peptides were great for women.
I think I am beginning to experience that. Though today I think I went overkill by taking 2 Spike caffeine free with a caffeinated grapefruit juice after my first IV this am.

The HEAT is ON. It is like I am boiling - inside with no change in temperature. It is more like a pressure from when one is in a dry sauna.
I usually get vascularity and a wiggly vein on my right front delt naturally sans substances just by lifting heavy after a few reps but today it pops up just by picking up something heavy.

Has anyone experienced blood pressure issues on this protocol?

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
BUSHMASTER wrote:

2.5iu’s precardio/IV

How are you finding the effects of the IV pre cardio if any?
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I don’t find any different effect from shooting IV v.s. IM except for the way my composition is changing.

Great feedback Bushmaster. Good to hear about the positive body comp effects.

[quote]BUSHMASTER wrote:
Ok so 2 weeks on my protocol. It is as follows:
Sunday, Tues, Thursday injects
2.5iu’s precardio/IV
2.5iu’s preworkout/IM
5iu’s pwo/IV

Now I am on Palumbo’s keto diet and have been losing an average of 2.5lbs every week for the past 10 weeks (yes was a fatty when started, so started very early). The past 2 weeks I have lost no weight from my refeeds and haven’t changed anything but adding in the IV injects. Now what I find fascinating as I am definitely getting leaner and harder as I have a posing coach and a diet coach who watch my body composition every week. If this continues I could probably stay right around the weight I am at now and come in a lot bigger than I initially thought.
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
BUSHMASTER wrote:
Ok so 2 weeks on my protocol. It is as follows:
Sunday, Tues, Thursday injects
2.5iu’s precardio/IV
2.5iu’s preworkout/IM
5iu’s pwo/IV

Now I am on Palumbo’s keto diet and have been losing an average of 2.5lbs every week for the past 10 weeks (yes was a fatty when started, so started very early). The past 2 weeks I have lost no weight from my refeeds and haven’t changed anything but adding in the IV injects. Now what I find fascinating as I am definitely getting leaner and harder as I have a posing coach and a diet coach who watch my body composition every week. If this continues I could probably stay right around the weight I am at now and come in a lot bigger than I initially thought.

Excellent! Another happy bunny. Or should I say guinea pig?

BBB[/quote]

I’ll take either as I’ll be a ripped happy bunny or guinea pig at the rate this is working.

What is everyone’s opinion on the use of the protocol on someone such as myself who has no thyroid? I am on Synthetic Thyroid medication.

I have just re read the entire thread.
I did not know it was restricted to aesthetic results.
I apologize for the hijack.

Alpha F

Heh. I started the thread and I didn’t know that, AF :wink:

Originally, I was under the impression that BBB’s protocol was to induce an overall mesomorphic change in the body and a (as I understand it) permanent shift in metabolism to reflect that change.

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong here.

There was some discussion of this protocol in a number of threads before this, particularly in the one linked on the first post. This latter would be easy to find, the former, not so much without a really good search engine.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Heh. I started the thread and I didn’t know that, AF :wink:

Originally, I was under the impression that BBB’s protocol was to induce an overall mesomorphic change in the body and a (as I understand it) permanent shift in metabolism to reflect that change.

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong here. [/quote]
Page 3:

“I don’t see any need for strength comparisons as this is about changing the aesthetics of the body, not the performance, as such. Of course, if someone experiences useful strength gains then it should be reported as part of the general subjective experience, but we won’t really know how much is attributable to the AAS Vs the GH.”

BBB


Well, for what is worth I can concur with most of the things you reported in your experience with this protocol including the carb eating, you mentioned this Japanese dessert O-Haggi, except with me is Pakistani mangoes which are pure honey, I will have 4 to 5 large ones during the day. I also noticed the sensitivity to carbs causing a somnolence. I was sleepy until I started training when I was then super alert and super charged.

You said you felt like Superman and it is like being super charged and fully ON. My coach had to stop me and tell me to breathe and drink water yesterday ( day 2 of my IV injects and 2 hours of martial arts training - cardio ) as he saw me bright pink on my face with purple lips and I even developed a blood shot eye - which went away quickly and did not interfere with my continued output of energy.
I felt relentless and surprised myself by realizing I did possess speed and accuracy and abundantly so.

The only issue with being super charged is that at night before sleep, though I do not feel wired or stimulated in any way it is like the light is still ON internally but I guess I just need to get used to feeling so good and alert - my focus on my punching session yesterday was phenomenal ( I was so excited my coach got excited as well and asked if I wanted to keep punching for another 15 minutes and I said yes please! ).

Over all the IV method has proved to be, as you described “a phenomenal experience” and I wholeheartedly agree with your comments below:

"I also feel an almost immediate effect from training. As in, I will look different, better, the very next day after a good day of hard training and eating.

Finally, I just feel better. Hard to explain this in any concrete manner, but yes, I feel “younger.” My skin looks even better than usual, too.

Now I know much of this is pretty close to impossible to separate from the AAS, and I apologize for that. I am not the best guinea pig. However, I will say that there is CLEARLY something more and better happening here, and the thing that amazed me the most about the entire process was the fact that it began to happen pretty damned near IMMEDIATELY after starting the protocol."

Absolutely true for me as well.

*In addition to the GH I have been injecting 100mg of DHEA IM everyday and it does feel like I am on a mild steroid but the addition of the GH IV method was what brought about the Supercharged Alpha Female and I am rocking my world again!

: )

EDIT: When I saw the blood shot eye in the mirror I thought: Yeah baby, you go girl!
I even though about going back to competitive swimming again to compete in the masters which one coach wanted me to do 5 years ago then it occurred to me, right, you will get caught in your enhanced state. Ha.

I have definitely noticed some strength assistance because I am doing it post cycle and I am still puting up the same weight I was on cycle (normally I would have dropped a few pounds in all my lifts).

FG - I know you have your own approach to things but I still can’t understand why you’re not running test in conjunction with the GH. Gains from GH will be minimal when run on their own, but when you add in test the magic happens. You supported your training regiment well (when I questioned it earlier in the thread) so I would like to hear your opinion on this as well.

It’s pretty simple actually. I wanted to see what the GH did on it’s own. If you have other variables how do you know what is working? I wanted to see how it affected me when run solo.

I have enough GH (and resources to buy more GH) to run it for a long time so I figured why not start during post cycle and then keep going right through my next cycle…at this rate I see no reason why I wouldn’t run it through my next post cycle because so far it has made this post cycle pretty pleasant. I have lost no muscle mass, gained back no fat, and my strength is right where I left off at the end of the cycle. Pretty good PCT in my books.

I am planning to run it with gear and have high hopes for it at that time…I am gonna be back on cycle in 2 weeks when my “time off” is done (I have been off since mid June, previous cycle was 10 weeks). I have been fighting the urge to ante-up early but I have a plan and I am sticking to it. I also think for me the time off is important because it reminds me how to train when off (and how much I like being on). Very Canadian of me…suffer through the cold winter so you can enjoy the crap out of summer sort of thing.

So far my comments on the GH run solo are:

  • recovery is improved (not as good as gear but better than natural)
  • my muscles are starting to look a little fuller but maybe it is just fat loss making them look that way
  • I’ve lost no muscle mass even when doing very high volume work and not getting enough protein
  • I am staying lean even when my diet is not that great
  • I get very nice pumps during my workout (not as good as on dbol but pretty close)
  • my strength is good as long as I train conservatively (can’t do the kind of volume I do on gear and I don’t feel the explosive power I have on gear but I am putting up weights similar to where I was at the end of the cycle so I am sure I will make some immediate gains when I am back on again)
  • doesn’t do much of anything for endurance

I learned all these things from running it alone…

Does GH need to be refridgerated before reconstituting?

[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:

  • recovery is improved (not as good as gear but better than natural)
    [/quote]

I second this as well.
I had a neck injury which was only felt the day after my above martial arts session and it is almost completely clear today.

[quote]NZ RABBIT wrote:
Does GH need to be refridgerated before reconstituting?[/quote]

Absolutely. Before and after. I hope you don’t just have some sitting out.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
NZ RABBIT wrote:
Does GH need to be refridgerated before reconstituting?

Absolutely. Before and after. I hope you don’t just have some sitting out. [/quote]

Well thats what I thought also. However I was doing a bit of research on mesomorphosis and there is a pdf about saizen GH. I’ve cut and pasted what it said below;

STABILITY AND STORAGE
Before Reconstitution - Saizen® [somatropin (rDNA origin) for injection] should be stored at room temperature (15o-30oC/59o-86oF). Expiration dates are stated on the labels.

After Reconstitution -When reconstituted with the diluent provided, the reconstituted solution should be stored under refrigeration (2°-8°C/36°-46°F) for up to 14 days. Avoid freezing reconstituted vials of Saizen®.

[quote]NZ RABBIT wrote:
Cortes wrote:
NZ RABBIT wrote:
Does GH need to be refridgerated before reconstituting?

Absolutely. Before and after. I hope you don’t just have some sitting out.

Well thats what I thought also. However I was doing a bit of research on mesomorphosis and there is a pdf about saizen GH. I’ve cut and pasted what it said below;

STABILITY AND STORAGE
Before Reconstitution - Saizen�® [somatropin (rDNA origin) for injection] should be stored at room temperature (15o-30oC/59o-86oF). Expiration dates are stated on the labels.

After Reconstitution -When reconstituted with the diluent provided, the reconstituted solution should be stored under refrigeration (2�°-8�°C/36�°-46�°F) for up to 14 days. Avoid freezing reconstituted vials of Saizen�®.[/quote]

My understanding is that prior to mixing it is ok to be out at room temperature without any damage but preferable to be placed in the fridge if available. That being said no damage through shipping, however refrigerate once you have the product in hand.