The HGH Experiment

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Brook wrote:
One large issue that many users here will not yet comprehend is the likely-hood if IV injects increasing needle fixation (in some users only).

I think it is a real issue that only really makes itself apparent quite some time after discontinuing injecting yourself. IV injections definitely are more problematic than IM IME.

JMO

Do you mind elaborating on this? I am not sure what you mean, some users will develop the perceived need to continue injecting? If so, too late for me already :wink: Kidding, but I seriously am curious as to what you mean.[/quote]

Me too. I failed to understand.

On a side note I did think this morning after the ease of my first shot:

Uh, oh I wish I could inject my food - imagine all the time I would save by not having to do all that chewing…
And then I looked at my 50% vol Laphroaig and said; umm, I wonder what would happen if I injected that…

So it must be the scientist in me.

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I have to say I have a much deeper understanding of IV ‘drug addicts’ now.

When you can feel so good so easily pain free and almost instantaneously - that puts a lot of their ‘sacrifices’ and ‘unhealthy’ choices into perspective.

Life does not get easier than this.

Having said that I am aware it is a faux form of power and therefore an illusion.

Dependency is the antithesis of freedom and liberation.

I almost feel lazy over this empowering result and in being so it does not hold an attraction to me.

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Hmmm… well, GH users are vastly different psychologically from recreational drug users but…

Of the women i have mainlined with (injected IV - all sorts of drugs), women who inject themselves intra-veinously tend to think about it in a vastly different way to the men who do it - it is very hard to explain.
Whereas for the guys - in most cases 9not all) - it seems to be a much smaller step to make.

I always thought it was closely connected to the fact that the use of those drugs in fundamentally self-destructive rather than the opposite (different drugs in different circumstances and with different women mind you) but on reading Alpha’s post - i wonder.

I know that i for one will never ever advise any female to inject a drug IV - even GH. It has always been a disaster - as i said, it is as though something about a woman’s psyche really reacts to the fact they are ‘shooting up’, like it is an act that is not possible to walk back from (and with many men too, but it seems more acute in women IME).

In many cases of people injecting ANY drug and seeing the benefits of doing it that way - it becomes something that you ‘can do’ - a door that once opened, cannot be shut EASILY. It means that of things that can be shot up - and are going to be used regardless, probably will be so. (This IS needle fixation in it’s physical manifestation, whereas the psychological aspect is more connected to self abuse OR interestingly the carrying out of medical procedures - i forget the medical terms for that now…).

Still - with GH/PED it may well be slightly different simply due to the psychology of PED is to create, build, create rather than destruct, break, burn. Although my prior posts about needle fixation still stands - that is not drug related in its fundamental essence (although i think this post is connected to needle fixation actually - but i am veering the thread off topic so will leave it at that…).

/hijack ;~)

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Brook - I have never injected drugs IV so I really can’t speak from experience but the way I see it you are missing the fact that when a drug user injects coke/speed/heroin IV they get high…when you inject GH IV you feel nothing…with the needle fixation I think that there is a very strong association between the needle and the high (like Pavlov’s dog and the bell…you remove the food and he doesn’t give a shit about the bell)…with the GH/PEDs you still know that you are going to get bigger/stronger/leaner so there is some psychological association but it isn’t that immediate pleasure response which is connecting them so strongly in the brain with drug users.

I simply like the IV injections of GH because it is quick, easy, painless, and I know it is likely more effective than IM/Subq so I like it better.

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
…when you inject GH IV you feel nothing… [/quote]

Really? Do you honestly report no immediate effects from injecting GH IV?

I felt nothing sub-q.
I felt something IM.
I felt everything IV.

On that note I would like to report that after 2 iu am, 2 iu pre-workout I gave up going to the martial arts training since being pre menses I did not feel I had it in me for 2 hours of cardio and went to the gym instead for a “light” workout ( my strength is usually down during this phase ).

My lifts increased by 4 kg!! ( 8.8 pounds? )

Not only could I lift heavier I experienced a relatively easy ‘can do’ attitude tonight and found myself feeling I could just keep going with a quiet yet powerful delivery.
I just quite instinctualy picked up a dumbbell 4kgs heavier and just though I could do it and I did it.

I am very elated with this result. It took me about 8 weeks to experience a small increase in strength and I took the gh IV today and voila! 4kg on every lift with relative ease.

I then did the remaining 4iu PWO.

P.S. Brook, interesting post.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
FuriousGeorge wrote:
…when you inject GH IV you feel nothing…

Really? Do you honestly report no immediate effects from injecting GH IV?

I felt nothing sub-q.
I felt something IM.
I felt everything IV.

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Hmm. You mind elaborating, AF? I don’t really notice anything different between any of these shots except, as FG related, appreciating the ease with which it is executed and the knowledge of its effectiveness. I feel nothing immediately, but the pump in the gym and the numb fingers the come shortly thereafter let me know that it is working and in a very short time frame.

As for an actual physical sensation upon injection (if this is, indeed, what you are referring to), no, I don’t get that. Or were you referring to a psychological rush of some kind?

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Hmm. You mind elaborating, AF? I don’t really notice anything different between any of these shots except, as FG related, appreciating the ease with which it is executed and the knowledge of its effectiveness. I feel nothing immediately, but the pump in the gym and the numb fingers the come shortly thereafter let me know that it is working and in a very short time frame.

As for an actual physical sensation upon injection (if this is, indeed, what you are referring to), no, I don’t get that. Or were you referring to a psychological rush of some kind?
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I was going to say psychological but it isn’t completely true.
FG started by saying IV drug users experience a “high” when injecting and with gh he feels nothing.
When I injected gh sub-q I might as well be putting water in my body as the effects were experienced only after 7 days in a general well being, skin, hair improvement and a little weight loss.
When I injected IM after 1 to 2 hours I noticed increased awareness, vitality, skin glowing and restorative capacities ( that ‘can do’ attitude ‘no problem here’ ).

When I injected IV and I actually think I got the water measurement wrong because at 7am I was still sleepy, immediately after the injection I began to experience a full alertness of mind and body. As if I become more instinctual, sharper in mind and physical capableness. I don’t feel stimulated as when taking amphetamines at all. I feel completely sound in body and mind.
It almost enters my system like a superfood. Where you had been hungry and undernourished for ages and your organism has finally been restored to its original state of power. My sensations are 100% sharper and I experience my vitality running in my veins as it were.
I experience myself as vibrant and somewhat powerfully alive.
It almost puts me in an animal state of being - as nature intended, so to speak and yet even more fully human ( I notice more people are attracted to me as well and not necessarily in a sexual way - they just gravitate more towards me ).
I experience a sense of completeness. I don’t experience a high, I don’t experience a low I experience, I sense everything around me as is and just now that I can handle it.

I would say it is physiological then psychological.

Best word to describe is heightened awareness = Vitality.

I experience immediate increase in awareness and vitality. It is subtle but I know I am fully, fully switched ON.

That is it, better: switched on fully.

I hope I made it somewhat clear, if not I can try to elaborate more.

There is no ‘rush’ there is just me here.

( And that feels just great - it is almost like childhood again with the experience of an adult ).

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

And then I looked at my 50% vol Laphroaig [/quote]

I love you.

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OH…but don’t inject that shit!

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
Brook - I have never injected drugs IV so I really can’t speak from experience but the way I see it you are missing the fact that when a drug user injects coke/speed/heroin IV they get high…when you inject GH IV you feel nothing…with the needle fixation I think that there is a very strong association between the needle and the high (like Pavlov’s dog and the bell…you remove the food and he doesn’t give a shit about the bell)…with the GH/PEDs you still know that you are going to get bigger/stronger/leaner so there is some psychological association but it isn’t that immediate pleasure response which is connecting them so strongly in the brain with drug users.

I simply like the IV injections of GH because it is quick, easy, painless, and I know it is likely more effective than IM/Subq so I like it better. [/quote]

Glad someone seems to get it!

No, you are right of course - which is why i stated that GH/PED may be different - however…

I know that injecting IM satisfies my desire to inject - which if left too long will always result in a relapse of one thing or another - and every time it is NOT the drug i am after but the shooting of it… fucked up.

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About Alpha’s last post - she mentioned ‘there is no rush, just me here’.

That reminded me of an article i read in a Men’s Health type magazine (many years ago now) about a guy going to a HRT centre to pay $2000 for test’rone treatment (4 shots or something ridiculous).

He said the exact same thing after 1 week at 200mg Testosterone E/C.

I would say to Alpha - firstly you are lucky to feel so good from something that gives so many less, and secondly, watch yourself in regards to how you begin to use this now. Psychologically i mean.
You are clearly an intellectual woman, and i trust you to look after yourself, but make sure you realise that the things i mentioned DO and CAN happen. (not that it is the end of the world when they do but…)

JJ

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Alpha F wrote:

And then I looked at my 50% vol Laphroaig

I love you.[/quote]

blush

[quote]
OH…but don’t inject that shit! [/quote]

I know! I love that refined fire going down my throat…

: )

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What type of steroid cycles are you guys running with the hgh?

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[quote] Brook wrote:
About Alpha’s last post - she mentioned ‘there is no rush, just me here’.

That reminded me of an article i read in a Men’s Health type magazine (many years ago now) about a guy going to a HRT centre to pay $2000 for test’rone treatment (4 shots or something ridiculous).

He said the exact same thing after 1 week at 200mg Testosterone E/C.

I would say to Alpha - firstly you are lucky to feel so good from something that gives so many less, and secondly, watch yourself in regards to how you begin to use this now. Psychologically i mean.
You are clearly an intellectual woman, and i trust you to look after yourself, but make sure you realise that the things i mentioned DO and CAN happen. (not that it is the end of the world when they do but…)

JJ[/quote]

Brook, thank you so much for sharing your experience and your concern.
How old was the guy paying for that treatment? I guess maybe I am not ‘lucky’ I am just old enough to be found lacking on a basic physiological level.
You are still at an age where you wake up every day and there is still enough of you to rock your own world. I would like to understand your position better since I lack the insight of what motivates you to inject for the sake of injecting - maybe you just need lots of kissesss…I am not flirting, JUST SAYING…
I am injecting now because I chose to make it through life alone and it becomes for me a ‘support system’ - that is my conscious choice of substitution and what motivates me to inject and experiment.

Or maybe I am just still not recovered enough from a difficult phase and to be honest with you my tank is so empty right now I guess if I just injected the bacteriostatic water I would see results. I am running on empty and the GH and other injections are a way for me to get the support my system needs right now.
I cannot speak for the future but right now I assure you I am not doing this to look pretty.

; )

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You are flirting but it’s ok :slight_smile: lol j/k

I am not sure if i AM at an age where there is still enough of me to rock my world anymore… maybe at 29 i should be but due to the life choices i made since 16 it means i am not really in that position - although i am a motivated and independent man - for that i am truly grateful.

I just deleted what i wrote - the reason was it was not even touching the subject you asked about but was necessary to get into to explain - and it is not detail i wish to get into here - or anywhere really! :wink:

Simply put, i inject PRIMARILY because it is the best and safest way to use AAS - and they are important in my life for many positive reasons. The fact that i AM a drug user that injects ANYWAY is a coincidence… although i do benefit from that too, as i mentioned in a previous post.

Now, i am not a drug user that injects because i inject AAS - more becasue i began doing so at 20 (i forget the exact year actually) and both intermittently and regularly ever since then - with later years becoming more and more regular. Just like there are drug users that don’t inject (maybe they do snort coke, smoke crack, smoke H or swallow AAS) there are those that do. it is just another method of using a drug - and it is something that once done, will be with you forever IMPO.

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[quote] Brook wrote:
and it is something that once done, will be with you forever IMPO.[/quote]

Yes, I understand. That is how I feel about sex.

I am not flirting JUST SAYING

: )

Back on track:

I did not psychologically miss the shots today. I didn’t miss the boost either. It felt quite ok to be less than human and I am not looking forward to injecting first thing tomorrow morning. The knowledge I will be so alert again is what tells me I can face the injections but I am not looking forward to it in spite of the great results I know I will experience.

I have to say I did experience good vascularity when I injected IM pre workout which I did not with IV - where I got more strength but not necessarily the vascular pump.

I am thinking of using 3ml of water to dilute the 8 iu. Would that be ok? Then I would inject 1 ml 3 times tomorrow. I am asking because I am thinking I am going to run out of water.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Brook wrote:

I am thinking of using 3ml of water to dilute the 8 iu. Would that be ok? Then I would inject 1 ml 3 times tomorrow. I am asking because I am thinking I am going to run out of water.
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Why so much? I only use 1ml/8iu or 10iu and it makes injection and measurement a cinch. I also use the same insulin pin for 3 injections so, often, I just load the entire amount into my single pin and use it up throughout the day.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

Why so much? I only use 1ml/8iu or 10iu and it makes injection and measurement a cinch. I also use the same insulin pin for 3 injections so, often, I just load the entire amount into my single pin and use it up throughout the day. [/quote]

Looks like I was really misinformed. I read 1ml for 4iu. No wonder the water I had was going to be insufficient.
Will do your way.
Thanks, Cortes.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Brook wrote:
and it is something that once done, will be with you forever IMPO.

Yes, I understand. That is how I feel about sex.

I am not flirting JUST SAYING

: )
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Depends who you have sex with… :wink:

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BBB

I suspect the crappy generic HGH that you used was 192 amino acid sequence/somatrem.
I think GeneScience has the patent for manufacturing HGH by secretion technology in China. It is possible some of the blue top generic out there is somatrem (by kexing perhaps?). Low cost export only products for the “oversea underground market”. Whoever is making those generics, they won’t be selling it to the hospitals in China. Just like those chemical companies export AAS poweder out of China.