The HGH Experiment

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Aragorn - that is correct. my lifting during the season is simply to maintain muscle mass. I try to gain in the offseason when I lift 4-5x/w and drop the cardio.

IF I AM geared up during the season (I am off right now) I end up making gains in strength even with the 2x/w weight sessions but obviously not as fast as in the offseason when I can spend more time lifting.

Game Time - the level of rugby I play is fairly competitive, it is below pro but above a simple weekend rec league, most of the guys I play with/against have played at the very least university level and many have played provincial and national level rugby so it is not a walk in the park. there is about 2hrs of fitness training during practices and then games leave you so sore that walking the next day is sometimes tough…some guys on the team will weight train before or after practices, I’ve found I do better only lifting on off days through trial and error.

My number one concern is athletic performance, my number two concern is looking good, my number three concern is being healthy/fit, my number four concern is giving brook a hard on so he can wank to my profile pics…I have no aspirations of being a body builder. I never have and I never will. I have modeled in the past and found it to be a pretty lousy gig, everyone makes money off you except you and bodybuilding is probably the worst in that regard. I have all the respect for the guys on here that either have the ability to make it big and actually make some money or the guys who are simply doing it because they love to compete but I know that I am neither one of those guys.

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Brook - care to clarify your statements? I am a little confused…either you are calling me an ugly skinny little bitch that doesn’t know how to train and probably shouldn’t even be doing AAS or you could be completely joking…hard to tell over the internet.

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Alright I’m going to be giving this protocol a try. I’m getting 300 IU Gh in a couple weeks. I have a question though what needle size am i supposed to be using for the IV injections? is there a good website for purchasing anyone can reccommend. I’ll be running around a gram a week of test E along with the gh. I’m 6/2 240 about 16% bf currently. this will be my first experience with GH. I’m excited to give it a go. I’ll keep you all posted on the results in the nexts few weeks.

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[quote]BUSHMASTER wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
BUSHMASTER wrote:
Ok did my first IV today without a tourniquet and wallah way too easy. It probably helps that I used to give IV’s when in the military. Took me the same time as an IM.

Great to know we will have feedback from another practitioner of IV method. Keep us posted Bushmaster. (and yes, I think the military experience was a big help)

I am not doing the exact protocol though as I am doing this for cutting purposes for a competition. I am doing 2iu’s in am and 2iu’s preworkout all iv. No injects on non workout days.[/quote]

You know Cortes ran this protocol while cutting for a comp right? I don’t see that it would matter if you are cutting/bulking, either way it’s going to make you look sick,

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
Aragorn - that is correct. my lifting during the season is simply to maintain muscle mass. I try to gain in the offseason when I lift 4-5x/w and drop the cardio.

IF I AM geared up during the season (I am off right now) I end up making gains in strength even with the 2x/w weight sessions but obviously not as fast as in the offseason when I can spend more time lifting.

Game Time - the level of rugby I play is fairly competitive, it is below pro but above a simple weekend rec league, most of the guys I play with/against have played at the very least university level and many have played provincial and national level rugby so it is not a walk in the park. there is about 2hrs of fitness training during practices and then games leave you so sore that walking the next day is sometimes tough…some guys on the team will weight train before or after practices, I’ve found I do better only lifting on off days through trial and error.

FG

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Fair enough, you seem to know where you stand so I won’t question it further. And I think you may have interpreted Brooks comments the wrong way. I’m not sure it was his intention to bash you.

Keep us update on your progress!

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bbb, okay found a site, monoject 1ml fixed tip 30g, 5x16 needle, this will work right, just covering my bases. and I’m sure I’m going to have more questions once i get my kits as this is my first experience with gh. Thanks for helping me out

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No, Brook’s comments were definitely not intended to bash you FG.

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Oh wow, this took a turn for the worse.

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well they sure came off that way

brook - if you care to clarify I am all ears

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Just did the first IV inject and it was a piece of cake. got the vein on the first try.

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[quote]BUSHMASTER wrote:

I am not doing the exact protocol though as I am doing this for cutting purposes for a competition. I am doing 2iu’s in am and 2iu’s preworkout all iv. No injects on non workout days.[/quote]

Do your purposes negate the premise that the most important time is PWO?

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
Just did the first IV inject and it was a piece of cake. got the vein on the first try.[/quote]

You are a quick study FG.

This thread is heating up.

BBB - Kudos for you brain child and mentoring this strategy.

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Gotcha…

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:

Do your purposes negate the premise that the most important time is PWO?

For meso changes, yes PWO is crucial, but for fat loss, AM and pre-workout is the most important IMO.

BBB
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
BUSHMASTER wrote:

I am not doing the exact protocol though as I am doing this for cutting purposes for a competition. I am doing 2iu’s in am and 2iu’s preworkout all iv. No injects on non workout days.

Do your purposes negate the premise that the most important time is PWO?

For meso changes, yes PWO is crucial, but for fat loss, AM and pre-workout is the most important IMO.

BBB
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I agree 100%

which is why i decided on my 3 shots - early AM (which will now be IV), pre-workout (IM), and post workout (will try to do IV now as well although it might be kind of tough to do in my car outside the gym without arousing attention…people at my gym already look at me kinda funny for filling protein shakers at the water fountain…I don’t think the sight of me doing an IV shot in the arm in my car would go over well).

I think these 3 are the most critical shots when you look at it from a scientific point of view. They are the times when natural GH should already be high…I think nature knows what is best for us so trying to mimic nature (but improve on it by increasing the dose) is the best way to go. I guess I am missing the fact that there is pulsetile release during puberty throughout the day as well so I could maybe add a mid day shot.

My reasoning for no late night shot was suppression of natural GH via somatostatin…Perhaps the late night shots would have minimal suppression when done IV but given that my workouts are typically early evening anyways I think I am covered so I am going to just stick with the 3 shots for now…I might add in a shot around lunch somewhere down the line but for now I think 3 shots 3 days a week should be enough.

I am going to play with the dosing for the shots a bit (see how big of a PWO shot I can tolerate) to put a little more emphasis on the PWO shot. I’m going to try 2iu, 2iu, and 4iu today. I did 2.5, 2.5, and 3iu monday with no issues.

So far the issue with the pinched nerve in my elbow seems to be subsiding. I was able to do presses on monday with minimal pain. I have noticed my fingers are a little stiff (feels like when you have very lightly sprained them). No issues so far with bloating, edema of the ankles, or carpel tunnel. Hopefully the nerve issues are even less with IV administration.

I am also going to play with my carb intake for the first few weeks to see what my body likes best, once I get that down I will add the metformin at 850mg each carb meal (except pre and pwo of course to spike insulin during those times).

I can’t wait to add a healthy dose of test and masteron back into the mix, that is when the fun is gonna start with this little project!

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Well another person is on board. My buddy has been following this protocol for just over 5 weeks now however was only doing im shots up until today. Today were switched to iv 2iu morning, 3iu pre work out and 4 post as of now.
The results up until this point were decent, however we shall see what changes take place with all shots now being iv.

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Great to hear we have quite a bit of participation in the proper protocal now. I look forward to additional feedback.

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I don’t understand why some people wont do stuff exactly like it is outlined.

It’s just like the V-Diet. People eat a healthy solid meal every single day and still think they are doing what Chris outlined. :rolleyes: