The Gun Thread

Fishdog70 · April 17, 2009, 3:44pm

My father recently purchased a Taurus Judge, and he’s extremely pleased with it. It is a blast to shoot; basically you’ve got a shotgun in your fist.

I recently purchased the S&W M&PR8 .357 revolver, and I couldn’t be happier. Excellent gun for home defense in my mind; it has rails for a scope or laser, holds eight rounds in the chamber, and is light as a feather. The only downside was its high price.

Doug_Adams · April 17, 2009, 3:47pm

[quote]Fishdog70 wrote:
My father recently purchased a Taurus Judge, and he’s extremely pleased with it. It is a blast to shoot; basically you’ve got a shotgun in your fist.

I recently purchased the S&W M&PR8 .357 revolver, and I couldn’t be happier. Excellent gun for home defense in my mind; it has rails for a scope or laser, holds eight rounds in the chamber, and is light as a feather. The only downside was its high price.

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How’s it shoot?

acuratlman789 · April 17, 2009, 4:04pm

there are some videos on you tube like the one i posted that show the pattern with birdshot at about 6 feet, but i hear the optimal ammo choice is to have 2 or 3 410 and the other 2 or 3 long 45. Thats S&W is bad ass, i was just concerned with the rounds going through my apartment walls, hince i didnt go with a 357 or 44

Varqanir · April 17, 2009, 4:11pm

This rifle will do anything the Fulton M14 CQB rifle will do, for a lot less money.

[quote]99blkta wrote:
Anyone have any opinion on Fulton Armory’s M14 CQB?[/quote]

I have very strong opinions about Fulton Armory, since they are the ones who worked on my M14.

Clint McKee is, in my estimation, a demigod when it comes to gas-operated military rifles. His work was flawless, and if it’s a bit expensive, well, you get what you pay for.

I’ve never had any hands-on experience with Fulton’s M14 CQB (or SOPMOD, or MCR, or SOCOM, or whatever the fuck tacticool acronym you prefer) rifles, but I have no reason to think it wouldn’t be just as reliable, accurate and excellent as any rifle built by Fulton.

The benefits of the Troy Industries stock are that the action doesn’t need to be “bedded,” and so accuracy will not degrade after thousands of rounds as it would with a wood stock. Of course, “accuracy” at close-quarters ranges is really a moot point, and a bedded action and match barrel are not going to make you any deadlier at 50 meters.

In the end, though, you really have to ask yourself, “do I really need a 3500 dollar close-quarters rifle?”

More than likely, a plain-Jane Socom-16 from Springfield will suffice for you, and cost about 1500 dollars less. Use the money you saved to get yourself a National Match trigger group (from Fulton: $350), a 3-point sling from Specter Gear ($30), and a thousand rounds of ammunition ($800), then take yourself to the range and practice tactical snap-shooting and Mozambique drills until your shoulder feels like it’s going to fall off.

You’ll be a hell of a lot more formidable with that weapon than if you had spent the whole wad on the Fulton CQB M14.

HolyMacaroni · April 17, 2009, 4:12pm

[quote]Fishdog70 wrote:
My father recently purchased a Taurus Judge, and he’s extremely pleased with it. It is a blast to shoot; basically you’ve got a shotgun in your fist.

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while the judge is a fun weapon to shoot (especially clays) don’t mistake it for a good home defense weapon. a lot of people think ‘hey, it’s a handgun shooting shotgun rounds’ but remember, they are .410 shotgun rounds, not 12ga 00-buck.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

HolyMacaroni · April 17, 2009, 4:18pm

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
This rifle will do anything the Fulton M14 CQB rifle will do, for a lot less money.

99blkta wrote:
Anyone have any opinion on Fulton Armory’s M14 CQB?

I have very strong opinions about Fulton Armory, since they are the ones who worked on my M14.

Clint McKee is, in my estimation, a demigod when it comes to gas-operated military rifles. His work was flawless, and if it’s a bit expensive, well, you get what you pay for.

I’ve never had any hands-on experience with Fulton’s M14 CQB (or SOPMOD, or MCR, or SOCOM, or whatever the fuck tacticool acronym you prefer) rifles, but I have no reason to think it wouldn’t be just as reliable, accurate and excellent as any rifle built by Fulton.

The benefits of the Troy Industries stock are that the action doesn’t need to be “bedded,” and so accuracy will not degrade after thousands of rounds as it would with a wood stock. Of course, “accuracy” at close-quarters ranges is really a moot point, and a bedded action and match barrel are not going to make you any deadlier at 50 meters.

In the end, though, you really have to ask yourself, “do I really need a 3500 dollar close-quarters rifle?”

More than likely, a plain-Jane Socom-16 from Springfield will suffice for you, and cost about 1500 dollars less. Use the money you saved to get yourself a National Match trigger group (from Fulton: $350), a 3-point sling from Specter Gear ($30), and a thousand rounds of ammunition ($800), then take yourself to the range and practice tactical snap-shooting and Mozambique drills until your shoulder feels like it’s going to fall off.

You’ll be a hell of a lot more formidable with that weapon than if you had spent the whole wad on the Fulton CQB M14.[/quote]

excellent post.

although you did forget the sexy Eotech…

acuratlman789 · April 17, 2009, 4:33pm

Damn, i mean i knew the penetrition wouldnt be amazing but i was most concerned about putting a round through the walls in my apartment. Might not kill the intruder but i gaaaaaronnnntee it would get their attention, thats when the 45 longs are on their way lol. but def eye opening article

Bujo · April 17, 2009, 4:42pm

[quote]Dr. FruitPie wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Dr. FruitPie wrote:
Do you have a lot of experience with the XDs, Mac? 'Cause I’m always hearing about how the XDm barrel is the best thing since sliced bread. Always wondered if it was just a bunch of bull shit from Springfield, if the advantage is negligible, or if I should be seriously considering buying one for my next .45.

well, i do own one

is it the best thing since sliced bread? maybe.

is it a fantastic pistol? absolutly. however, i HIGHLY recommend putting a crimson trace on it. a visable laser could be the best thing since sliced bread.

but yeah, if you have the money, i would defintly spring for a fullsize xd in .45, you will definatly not be dissapointed.

How do you feel about the grip safety? It always seemed like an unnecessary safety feature that would just get in the way, but without having handled one, I wouldn’t know how well it would work out of the draw under stress.

Also, would there be any reason to get an XD over an XDm besides price? I’m not totally up to snuff on the differences between the two.[/quote]

I’ve carried a 1911A1 Colt .45 for about the last 4 years, learned to shoot on 1911s too. I bought a Springfield XD-45 about 8 months ago and it pretty much is now my standard carry piece. I’m thinking about buying another, equipping it with both a stream light and a lasergrip, and using it for strictly home defense.

The XD does a real nice job handling that fat .45 ACP round. The 13+1 carry capacity is a real nice incentive too. The grip is probably my favorite feature. I have short fat fingers, that makes most 9mm and .40cals with alternating stacks a pain in the ass to handle. A two handed grip is fine, but shooting one handed just doesn’t work for me. The XD’s grip is not much bigger than my beloved 1911, when she’s fitted with Hogue grips. That means I can shoot real good one handed and have the benefit of 5 more rounds.

Since I’m a 1911 fan I’m not a big fan of the sole trigger safety ala Glock. The grip safety is standard on 1911s and I like having it on my XD as well. It just means I have to have a good grip and my finger on the trigger before the gun can fire. If it came with a slide lock safety, I’d be happy as a pig in shit.

I can’t really comment on the barrel, but the slide is damn near unscratchable, so it ought to stay nice and black forever.

Varqanir · April 17, 2009, 5:20pm

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

excellent post.

although you did forget the sexy Eotech…
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Meh. Iron sights for the win.

The SOCOM-16 has a very sexy tritium front sight and wide-aperture ghost-ring rear sight that works fine for close-range low-light situations.

I’ve never quite trusted holographic optics and lasers and shit like that. I always envision the batteries dying at the wrong moment, or worse yet, diving into a ditch and the damn thing breaking.

I used to have a Leupold fixed-power intermediate eye relief scout scope mounted on my rifle, but I took it off because it really didn’t help my shooting, and in fact just slowed me down.

Above is one of the first groups I ever shot with my rifle. It’s a 25-meter battle sight zero (BZO), prone with iron sights, 3 rounds of Lithuanian ball ammunition. That coin is a 1/4 ounce Canadian gold MapleLeaf, a bit bigger than a penny. I doubt I could have done better with an Eotech sight attached.

I’d mount a Leupold Mark IV sniper scope on my rifle if I ever needed to use it for long-range work, but otherwise I’m fine with my good old iron sights.

Fishdog70 · April 17, 2009, 5:16pm

Doug,

Sadly I’ve not had much time to work with it at the target range; grad school has really clamped down on me lately. The sights need a little adjusting at the moment; it was brand new, so I need to set everything up for my eyes. It fires quite smoothly with little recoil. I’ve noticed the trigger needs much less pressure than other .357 models I’ve shot in the past. I can’t say much for its accuracy since my marksmanship is pretty bad (need lots more time at the range), but my father (who is a firearm connoisseur) was pretty impressed by it.

HolyMacaroni · April 17, 2009, 6:46pm

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Meh. Iron sights for the win.

The SOCOM-16 has a very sexy tritium front sight and wide-aperture ghost-ring rear sight that works fine for close-range low-light situations.

I’ve never quite trusted holographic optics and lasers and shit like that. I always envision the batteries dying at the wrong moment, or worse yet, diving into a ditch and the damn thing breaking.

I used to have a Leupold fixed-power intermediate eye relief scout scope mounted on my rifle, but I took it off because it really didn’t help my shooting, and in fact just slowed me down.

Above is one of the first groups I ever shot with my rifle. It’s a 25-meter battle sight zero (BZO), prone with iron sights, 3 rounds of Lithuanian ball ammunition. That coin is a 1/4 ounce Canadian gold MapleLeaf, a bit bigger than a penny. I doubt I could have done better with an Eotech sight attached.

I’d mount a Leupold Mark IV sniper scope on my rifle if I ever needed to use it for long-range work, but otherwise I’m fine with my good old iron sights.
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excellent group!

however, the eotech wasn’t designed for marksmenship tournements. quick target aquisition in CQB enviornments is what it was built for, and it blows everything else out of the water (IMO).

have you had the opportunity to shoot with one yet? i’d say don’t knock it until you try it.

i understand about you worrying about it breaking. but if they can survive the desert conditions being handled by a bunch of dumb pvts (no offense to any e-3’s out there) i’m sure they can survive your home defense senario or zombie invasion follies.

edit* remember, the eotech is unique in that you keep both eyes open when looking through it. your shooting (dominant) eye looks through the site, and your other eye stays open on the target, and your brain puts the two together. if anything, i find target aquisition faster and my groups tighter when doing mozambque (sp?) drills and the like.

HolyMacaroni · April 17, 2009, 6:44pm

[quote]acuratlman789 wrote:
Damn, i mean i knew the penetrition wouldnt be amazing but i was most concerned about putting a round through the walls in my apartment. Might not kill the intruder but i gaaaaaronnnntee it would get their attention, thats when the 45 longs are on their way lol. but def eye opening article[/quote]

NP man, check out the rest of that site, that guy’s got some good articles.

i would suggest you consider frangible ammunition, and definatly stay with the .45 cal.

extremeshock makes an ‘air freedom’ round that’s designed for use by federal air marshals. the build of the round allows it to distergrate upon impact with the skin of an airplane or window (or in your case, interior walls)

http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product_info.html&setup=1&cart_id=

Big_Boss · April 17, 2009, 7:41pm