I also concur that I think HolyMacaroni is good shit. No homo.
thanks guys, maybe later we can all hold hands and talk about how fucking T we are.
lol.
@ steven - sure man, why not? worst case senario is he says no, and it’s not like you’ll have to pay more.
OR
you could tell them that you’re looking for a good 9mm for under/around 500.00. see what they offer you in terms of options. if they know you’re going to be a repeat customer to the range, i’m sure they’ll do their best to make you happy.
and oh yeah, get a crimson trace.
you’ll have to forgive me but what is a crimson trace?
Edit: just googled it, yeah that’s cool but I would compare that to using lifting straps while deadlifting.
Here’s a little article about the gun I want.
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/CZ+75B+Stainless+?packedargs=pagenum%3D3
[quote]Rooster1980 wrote:
My modified Romanian AK-47[/quote]
fuck yeah dude. as much as people want to rag on them because they’re ‘killing our troops over there’, there’s no denying it’s an awesome battle rifle.
now take advantage of those rails!!!
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Rooster1980 wrote:
My modified Romanian AK-47
fuck yeah dude. as much as people want to rag on them because they’re ‘killing our troops over there’, there’s no denying it’s an awesome battle rifle.
now take advantage of those rails!!! [/quote]
Word, I have the forward grip on there! I’m thinking about mounting a laser or some such shit. Maybe a granade launcher…
[quote]StevenF wrote:
you’ll have to forgive me but what is a crimson trace?
Edit: just googled it, yeah that’s cool but I would compare that to using lifting straps while deadlifting.
Here’s a little article about the gun I want.
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/CZ+75B+Stainless+?packedargs=pagenum%3D3
[/quote]
it’s a laser that goes on the grip of your weapon. fantastic design if you ask me.
great for shooting moving targets, shooting while on the move, and shooting from awkward/non-traditional positions.
http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Videos/tabid/396/Default.aspx
check out vids 4 and 5, as well as the website itself.
yes i am familiar with the cz 75. even shot it. i really like it and would def recommend it.
HOWEVER, my point was if you are only able to spend 500, and the CZ is out of your reach, to check out other models of 9mm. you might get surprised and find something else you really like.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
Edit: just googled it, yeah that’s cool but I would compare that to using lifting straps while deadlifting.
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uhhh…yeah?
if someone told you you had to deadlift 405 for reps to save your life, would you use straps or not?
i’m not saying to only use that, of course get good with iron sights. but it’s something i think EVERYONE who owns a pistol for home defense should purchase for their weapon. ESPECIALLY if they are using it as a carry piece.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
Edit: just googled it, yeah that’s cool but I would compare that to using lifting straps while deadlifting.
[/quote]
uhhh…yeah?
if someone told you you had to deadlift 405 for reps to save your life, would you use straps or not?
i’m not saying to only use that, of course get good with iron sights. but it’s something i think EVERYONE who owns a pistol for home defense should purchase for their weapon. ESPECIALLY if they are using it as a carry piece.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
i’m not saying to only use that, of course get good with iron sights. but it’s something i think EVERYONE who owns a pistol for home defense should purchase for their weapon. ESPECIALLY if they are using it as a carry piece.[/quote]
For home defense, a weapon-mounted fashlight is a lot more practical, as you’re most likely to have to pull the trigger in low light or dark conditions, and a laser doesn’t illuminate. It’s of the utmost importance that one see and identify the target before pulling the trigger.
My carry weapon has no laser, and if it did, it would be a Lasermax guide-spring type, as when I index on Crimsom Trace grips I cover the lens.
Demo Dick
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
StevenF wrote:
Edit: just googled it, yeah that’s cool but I would compare that to using lifting straps while deadlifting.
uhhh…yeah?
if someone told you you had to deadlift 405 for reps to save your life, would you use straps or not?
i’m not saying to only use that, of course get good with iron sights. but it’s something i think EVERYONE who owns a pistol for home defense should purchase for their weapon. ESPECIALLY if they are using it as a carry piece.[/quote]
point made, I’m definitely interested in them. Just not in the budget just yet. I really want to get into accuracy shooting competitions of some sort for fun. I also was looking at some other pieces, like the SIG p228 looks very appealing. As well as some of the Springfield XD’s. In my price range, too.
The P228 is on my wishlist as well. I recently bought its big brother, the P226R, and took it to the range today. For me it’s lightyears better than the P229 I traded in to get it.
For guys who aren’t current or former LEOs or .mil, have you taken any training classes, be it for pistols, rifles or shotguns? I really want to take a carbine course through Magpul Dynamics once I get the ancillary gear and there’s a class somewhat close to me.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Rooster1980 wrote:
My modified Romanian AK-47
fuck yeah dude. as much as people want to rag on them because they’re ‘killing our troops over there’, there’s no denying it’s an awesome battle rifle.
now take advantage of those rails!!! [/quote]
And by take care of those rails, put some covers over them. Only thing I ever put on my rails was my carrying handle if I have optics mounted. Throw on a PEQ-4, a broomstick and a surefire and you start to get something of an abortion.
mike
The shotgun is king. The sound of the slide being racked is one of the most recognizable, and powerful sounds. The actually teach correctional officers who are working towers that sometimes disturbances can be stopped just by the sound of it, without having to do anything else.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
What’s everyone’s thoughts on shotguns for defensive purposes, be it home protection or fighting off the zombie hordes? If a shotgun is your primary for home defense, what ammo do you use?
I have a Benelli M1 Super 90, but lately it’s just been a safe queen. I’m trying to figure out whether I want to move forward with trying a 3 gun competition or selling it. Decisions decisions.
[/quote]
There is actually an old cop saying, (or doctrine depending on the rangemaster) that sidearms are only issued so that one may fight his back to his shotgun.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
while var presents good information and ideas (like always) i feel they are much more suited to rifle fire, as the only thing i feel a handgun is useful for in a firefight is fighting with it to get back to your rifle.[/quote]
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
The shotgun is king. The sound of the slide being racked is one of the most recognizable, and powerful sounds. The actually teach correctional officers who are working towers that sometimes disturbances can be stopped just by the sound of it, without having to do anything else.
Doug Adams wrote:
What’s everyone’s thoughts on shotguns for defensive purposes, be it home protection or fighting off the zombie hordes? If a shotgun is your primary for home defense, what ammo do you use?
I have a Benelli M1 Super 90, but lately it’s just been a safe queen. I’m trying to figure out whether I want to move forward with trying a 3 gun competition or selling it. Decisions decisions.
[/quote]
If you rack your shotty, that’s one less round in your weapon. If you are coming into my home with bad intentions the first sound you’ll hear is the 000 going through your skull.
mike
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve got a buddy that called me today and wants to trade a Dan Wesson .44 mag with a blued, 6" barrel, mounted with a Leupold 4x for my '75 280Z (not running and needing a substantial amount of work to get her into shape).
The interchangeable barrel design is intriguing and I’ve heard the craftsmanship is excellent along with a light double action trigger pull which I think I’d like.
Whadda ya think?[/quote]
Take the gun, leave the canoles.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
There is actually an old cop saying, (or doctrine depending on the rangemaster) that sidearms are only issued so that one may fight his back to his shotgun.
HolyMacaroni wrote:
while var presents good information and ideas (like always) i feel they are much more suited to rifle fire, as the only thing i feel a handgun is useful for in a firefight is fighting with it to get back to your rifle.
[/quote]
I actually thought the saying was to get back to your rifle, but I do see your point.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Rooster1980 wrote:
My modified Romanian AK-47
fuck yeah dude. as much as people want to rag on them because they’re ‘killing our troops over there’, there’s no denying it’s an awesome battle rifle.
now take advantage of those rails!!!
And by take care of those rails, put some covers over them. Only thing I ever put on my rails was my carrying handle if I have optics mounted. Throw on a PEQ-4, a broomstick and a surefire and you start to get something of an abortion.
mike[/quote]
I’m not one for all these accessories on a semi auto. I could see a sight like an A COG or Eotech and maybe a light, but with all the extra super cool tactical stuff you take a small caliber and make it 12 pounds or so.
My Remington police model in 308 is app 11 pounds with a scope and it will shoot .5 " groups at 100 yards. And 308 beats 223 any day.
Now I do have a bushmaster in 223 and 6.8 mm spc with an eotech on and iron sights. Don’t see the need for anything else. I won’t use them in my home for self defense sicne I plan on either pistol or shotgun. Other than that, it’s plinking at the range.
For fast shooting, the Eotech will work fine.
When I get the bucks, I’m getting an M1A
12 gauge 00 buck at 15 meters: any farther away and a shotgun can’t be counted on to keep all of its pellets in the kill zone.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
There is actually an old cop saying, (or doctrine depending on the rangemaster) that sidearms are only issued so that one may fight his back to his shotgun.
[/quote]
Clint Smith always said, “never take a handgun to a gunfight.” In other words, if you know there’s going to be trouble, you take your rifle. And a handgun, said Clint, was for “shooting your way back to your rifle,” which you should have had in the first place.
I suppose it could apply to shotguns as well, but as I said earlier, if I’m going to carry a long gun, I’d prefer one with a bit more range. A 12-gauge shotgun may be king, as you say, but its kingdom is quite limited.
Out past about fifteen meters, the spread of the shot (“pattern”) is larger than the size of the kill zone. You can load slugs and extend your range out to 75 meters*, but still, four acres (the maximum area that can be defended with a slug-firing shotgun) is a pretty small kingdom.
By contrast, a .308 rifle has an effective range of about 800 meters, giving a man command of a nearly 500-acre domain. A .50 BMG rifle has an effective range of about a mile, allowing a man to command a territory of 1,987 acres, or just over 3 square miles.
So yes, the shotgun is the king, if we’re talking chess. And in that case, as the late great Jeff Cooper was fond of saying, the rifle is the queen.
*Yes, I know about sabot slugs, but bear in mind that they require a rifled barrel, so we’re no longer talking about a “shotgun,” but a “rifle.”