[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
What’s everyone’s thoughts on shotguns for defensive purposes, be it home protection or fighting off the zombie hordes? If a shotgun is your primary for home defense, what ammo do you use?
I have a Benelli M1 Super 90, but lately it’s just been a safe queen. I’m trying to figure out whether I want to move forward with trying a 3 gun competition or selling it. Decisions decisions.
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Keep it, it’s a great gun. I use #4 turkey shot for home defense. My longest shot would be 15 feet the way my house is laid out. also, I would most likely use it barricaded in my bedroom. I would be taking a ten foot shot tops.
The number four will mess you up from that distance, but not go through walls to easily. I have a house about thirty feet to one side and fifty to another in my town. It would ahve to pass through two walls minimum to hit someone.
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Well this weekend my dad and I went to the gun show in Missouri near the KCI airport. I’ll try to make this long story short. We bought a Mosin Nagant rifle made in 1943 at the factory that has the stamp of a triangle/pyramid with an arrow through it.
It had a decent layer of cosmoline(sp?) on it so we had to use some mineral spirits to remove it. Luckily the stock was fairly clean and some dish soap was able to remove the sticky feeling so we didn’t damage the finish at all. The barrel was really dirty but the rifling looks good. The rifle also came with the original bayonet, sling, and field kit containing tools and a metal oil cleaning container. All for $100.
We also found a Mosin Nagant 1895 revolver. It was also made in 1943 at the same factory as the rifle. Unfortunately since my dad and I are Kansas residents we couldn’t buy it. I had to wait until Sunday and bribe my girlfriend into getting it for me. $120 for the revolver, holster and tools. We were only able to find one box of the 7.62x38r ammo for it and it cost $30 ouch. Anyways this weekend I’ll probably clean the revolver and hopefully get some pictures up for you guys since they are at my parents place because I don’t have a gun safe.
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FYI, it’s just a Nagant revolver. Sergei Mosin had nothing to do with the design. Emile Nagant(Sergei’s partner in the creation of the Mosin-Nagant rifle)'s brother Leon was actually the man behind the 1895 Nagant revolver.
Oh, and the arsenal marks are from Izhevsk.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
“Well, what do you expect?” Kalashnikov replied, “he got it right the first time.”
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[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
What’s everyone’s thoughts on shotguns for defensive purposes, be it home protection or fighting off the zombie hordes? If a shotgun is your primary for home defense, what ammo do you use?
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IMO, the “shoty” is the best for home defense. I keep a 20g pump around loaded with #4 buckshot. The ladies in the house aren’t fond of the 12g.
That being said, I did pick up a GP100 4" last weekend and they wife states it’s her favorite of all of them. I wouldn’t be surprised if she went to that before the shotgun.
I’m not a big fan of the shotgun for home defense. I’m sure it works absolutely wonderfully for a lot of people, but I just don’t think it’s for me. I guess it’s a psychological thing. I think I’d just be way too complacent about penetration after hearing so much about how toilet paper magically stops anything coming out of the end of a shotgun.
I’d rather aim an assault/battle rifle or pistol with over-penetration in mind than aiming a shotgun wherever I feel like and accidentally catching someone with stray shot. Seems like it’s just a personal preference thing.
Wilson Combat has a contest on their site right now. They’re rolling out a new line of 1911s and need a name for it. If they pick your idea, you get one for free.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Wilson Combat has a contest on their site right now. They’re rolling out a new line of 1911s and need a name for it. If they pick your idea, you get one for free.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
What’s everyone’s thoughts on shotguns for defensive purposes, be it home protection or fighting off the zombie hordes? If a shotgun is your primary for home defense, what ammo do you use?
I have a Benelli M1 Super 90, but lately it’s just been a safe queen. I’m trying to figure out whether I want to move forward with trying a 3 gun competition or selling it. Decisions decisions.
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That’s my current home defense weapon, a Mossberg 500 with a twenty inch barrel. My night stand drawer has 3 inch magnum BB Lead shot and 00 tactical buck shot rounds at the ready. I actually got the shotgun for close in Coyote work when predator hunting. At times I pack both my 22-250 for shots thirty yards out 400 if need be. I have the Mossberg for anything that sneaks or comes in quick at thirty yards or less.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
What’s everyone’s thoughts on shotguns for defensive purposes, be it home protection or fighting off the zombie hordes? If a shotgun is your primary for home defense, what ammo do you use?
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Hard to beat a shotgun for CQB. My ammo is Winchester tactical 00 buck. The sidesaddle holds slugs. Weapon is a Remington 870 Police Model with extended tube and a SureFire forend.
I live in a 125 year-old brick house. Not worried about over-penetration.
Realistically, ammo selection is not that important, as anything heavier than #4 shot out of a 12 is going to make a real mess of an intruder at indoor household ranges. A REAL mess.
That said, were I armed only with a .45-caliber handgun against body-armored enemies, and had not yet reached my rifle, then I would aim for faces, throats, hips and knees. [/quote]
quite possibly the most rediculous claim i’ve read on this board today
do you plan on doing a one handed cartwheel while firing your m16a1 a-la matrix ‘neo style’?
That said, were I armed only with a .45-caliber handgun against body-armored enemies, and had not yet reached my rifle, then I would aim for faces, throats, hips and knees.
quite possibly the most rediculous claim i’ve read on this board today
do you plan on doing a one handed cartwheel while firing your m16a1 a-la matrix ‘neo style’?[/quote]
It’s ridiculous bub.
How many non mock fire fights you been in so far? How many guys have you taken out? Basically what’s wrong with what he wrote given the circumstances he’s provided?
That said, were I armed only with a .45-caliber handgun against body-armored enemies, and had not yet reached my rifle, then I would aim for faces, throats, hips and knees.
quite possibly the most rediculous claim i’ve read on this board today
do you plan on doing a one handed cartwheel while firing your m16a1 a-la matrix ‘neo style’?[/quote]
I’ll have to, since I haven’t yet mastered backflips.
How many non mock fire fights you been in so far? How many guys have you taken out? Basically what’s wrong with what he wrote given the circumstances he’s provided?
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It’s okay, D. I think Macaroni is just havin’ fun.
Seriously, though, from the hips to the knees is nearly as big a target as the torso, and while some vests include groin pads, I’ve never seen thigh pads. A solid hit to the pelvis or femur (the largest bone in the body) with a .45 bullet will immobilize a man, not only through destruction of his skeletal support, but also through tremendous pain and neural shock. A hit to the femoral artery will cause unconsciousness and death in a matter of two or three minutes.
Hitting a man in the unprotected area between the brow and the clavicle is a bit more problematic, but certainly not impossible. A hit anywhere along the central axis will likely destroy or severely damage the medulla oblongata and/or the spinal cord, and even if no neural tissue is destroyed, the paralyzing shock is enough to take the man out of action for the duration of the fight.
I won’t promise to hit a quarter at twenty yards every time under pressure, but we’re talking about a target the size of a coffee can. That I’ll hit. Whether I can hit my enemy before he hits me, well, that’s why I practice. Hopefully I practice better than the guy shooting at me. We’ll find out.
anyways var, while legs and hips would be great targets, i don’t think the face/throat is that good of a target selection. you are more likely to shoot over his head, or tag his vest.
but just to entertain you dedicated…
no i have not had combat experience. however, i HAVE participated in multiple force on force senarios with simunitions. high stress enviornments with handguns as the primary weapon.
i remember doing room clearing drill with local LEO SRT teams. earlier that day, i saw all kinds of mozambique, hip, throat, and other exotic drills/shots. however, when it came to the actual room clearing, time and time again they attempted to shoot us center mass. there is simply not enough time to react fast enough for your body to overcome the desire to fire at center of mass.
it’s just like these ‘karate masters’ you see who practice time and time again solid blocks, traps, and parrys. however when it comes time to step into the ring, they degenerate down to simply boxing and grappling like anyone else.
while var presents good information and ideas (like always) i feel they are much more suited to rifle fire, as the only thing i feel a handgun is useful for in a firefight is fighting with it to get back to your rifle.
Funny, my backup plan for a guy wearing a chest plate is to keep shooting him. Chest plate or no, a magazine of .308 is going to take you out of the fight.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
lol chill ded.
while var presents good information and ideas (like always) i feel they are much more suited to rifle fire, as the only thing i feel a handgun is useful for in a firefight is fighting with it to get back to your rifle.[/quote]
It’s cool guy, I just watched the Matrix recently and must have felt hurt by your comment. I kid, I kid, although I am sure you are going to make a quality officer from everything I’ve read that you have posted in your time here.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
It’s cool guy, I just watched the Matrix recently and must have felt hurt by your comment. I kid, I kid, although I am sure you are going to make a quality officer from everything I’ve read that you have posted in your time here.
Take er easy!
D
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not sure if that is sincere or sarcastic. and if you are referring to this thread or the boards in general.
in any case, back on topic. has anyone here been able to try out DRT ammo? looks like some pretty neat shit. especially love the video of firing point blank at steel plates and fearing no richochets
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
It’s cool guy, I just watched the Matrix recently and must have felt hurt by your comment. I kid, I kid, although I am sure you are going to make a quality officer from everything I’ve read that you have posted in your time here.
Take er easy!
D
not sure if that is sincere or sarcastic. and if you are referring to this thread or the boards in general.
in any case, back on topic. has anyone here been able to try out DRT ammo? looks like some pretty neat shit. especially love the video of firing point blank at steel plates and fearing no richochets
EDIT** I know i know, the vids are cheesy. but trust me o nthis one guys[/quote]
Dude, no sarcasm in my compliment to you. From what I’ve read on this and other threads you come across as a smart confident and often times humorous guy. If not a little cocky, but that cocky/confidence will serve you well. You seem to have the ability handle it.
hey guys, I plan on buying my first gun real shortly. A nickel plated CZ 75-B 9mm. I would buy that .40 S&W but the only one in stock at the place down the road is the 9. They have it as $589 but I REALLY do not want to pay that much. I would like to talk him down to maybe $450-490. How should I go about doing this?
My plan is to tell the salesman that this range is 5 mins down the road from me, this is where I would have to go to shoot. I also plan on taking the CCW class there (with my gf as well) and she will also need to buy a firearm. Do you think these negotiating tactics could get them to come down on the price?
