I am 41 and realized I need more time for warmups and better planning around injuries . Lift smart and with intensity.
[quote]Canada_K wrote:
I am AWESOME at every age.[/quote]
You know what? You really are. You are so effusively positive. It’s always fun to visit your log and see what you’re up to. I find that RV guy so offensive I actually PMed the mods to ban him. He spreads negativity everywhere he goes. But I love how you handled his post with such a positive response. You really rock.
Awesome indeed.
I will let everyone in on a little secret.
its called the ignore button.
its awsome, its like tivo for wading thru forums.
ps nice work
Excellent way to handle theee rogue vampire bro…hes obviously hoping to illicit an angry or confrontational reaction and you didnt play into it. I have to believe all his posts are with toungue firmly implanted in cheek.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]Canada_K wrote:
I am AWESOME at every age.[/quote]
You know what? You really are. You are so effusively positive. It’s always fun to visit your log and see what you’re up to. I find that RV guy so offensive I actually PMed the mods to ban him. He spreads negativity everywhere he goes. But I love how you handled his post with such a positive response. You really rock.[/quote]
x2!
[quote]Canada_K wrote:
Now, now, guys. I can handle myself.
Vamp, I’m a scientist by trade and by education. I don’t believe anything without data. When I say I’m an “older lifter”, there’s several things that I have to manage the average/typical 20-year-old lifter doesn’t.
1.) Kids. That severely impacts how and when I can train, and what priority it can have. Being dad utterly dominates everyting else. So I simply can’t/won’t sacrifice ALL for the iron.
2.) Injuries. Even if we say a 40-year-old tendon has the exact same properties as a 20-year-old tendon, the more we use our joints, the statistically greater chance that we injure 'em. Even if we do everyting right, a 40-year-old accumulates more random opportunities to get hurt than a 20-year-old. So the law of averages demands an older lifter has more injuries to work with.
3.) Being “advanced”. Every big-name strength coach out there (Cressey, Boyle, Wendler, Robertson, etc etc etc) agrees that people who have been lifting for many years need to train differently. Advanced lifters have to start training heavy doubles/singles to continue progressing. Once you’re body is thoroughly seasoned, the rules change.
So I do believe “older lifters” have to do it differently. I never said we’re inherently worse, or weaker, or in any way inferior. But we are playing with a different set of cards. And to be the absolutely monstrous BEST we can be as we age, we have to adjust the way we live and train.
That’s the science, so I’m believing it.
And by the way, as you get to knwo me you’ll se I couldn’t care less how old I am. The only time I give a flying f##k about about my age is when it qualifies me for some kind of discount. I am AWESOME at every age.[/quote]
nice response. but, having injuries is through the many years of training. i don’t think age per se has anything to do with it. I ve had many injuries, but they are pretty much healed. and yes, i do train somewhat differently, i say smarter and more efficient. instead of training my ego, i train to gain. which can be quite different. but i appreciate your response.
RV does have a point regarding a person’s self perception. I’m on the cusp of 40 and train just as hard as I did when I was 20, but now I train a lot smarter. When I was 20 I used a shotgun approach to work a muscle now I use a sniper rifle to work a muscle.
I’ve seen guys older and younger than me that use age or injury as an excuse to not train a specific exercise or muscle group. They don’t try to find a way to work around it. They just figure that since they’re “old” or injured that it’s over so they quit.
In my gym there are a few of guys who are 60ish who work out with 225 on the barbell flat bench and barbell squat for multiple sets of 5 reps. I’ve never seen them max out but that’s probably why they have lasted as long as they have. That’s EXCELLENT. One was in a car wreck that required leg and facial reconstruction and he jogs an average of 10 miles a few time a week…he’s a former bodybuilder and is still VERY lean.
[quote]Osmosis wrote:
RV does have a point regarding a person’s self perception. I’m on the cusp of 40 and train just as hard as I did when I was 20, but now I train a lot smarter. When I was 20 I used a shotgun approach to work a muscle now I use a sniper rifle to work a muscle.
I’ve seen guys older and younger than me that use age or injury as an excuse to not train a specific exercise or muscle group. They don’t try to find a way to work around it. They just figure that since they’re “old” or injured that it’s over so they quit.
In my gym there are a few of guys who are 60ish who work out with 225 on the barbell flat bench and barbell squat for multiple sets of 5 reps. I’ve never seen them max out but that’s probably why they have lasted as long as they have. That’s EXCELLENT. One was in a car wreck that required leg and facial reconstruction and he jogs an average of 10 miles a few time a week…he’s a former bodybuilder and is still VERY lean.[/quote]
RV would have had a point if he hadn’t been posting on a weight lifting website in a forum for people who train over 35 and in a thread where the guy is a) obviously in shape and b) still training hard.
But here he’s just a douche.
Matty - Very few people here, or anywhere, impress me. Even fewer people intimidate me. Vamp does neither. In that frame of mind, it takes the emotion out of it. And I love, love, LOVE doing arm days once in a while. Who cares if they serve a physiological purpose, they feed the ego and are, therefore, AWESOME!
kmc - Maybe I’m clueless here, but are you talking about a literal “ignore” button? If it’s a real thing PM me how that works, would ya?
kp - Knowing that you don’t part with compliments easily, I take a lot of personal pride from your answer! Thanks.
fischer - Warms, and mobility are the name of the game for longevity in lifting. I leanred that the hard way. Twice. If I don’t have time to do my warm-ups, foam rolling, and mobility drills, then I don’t have time to lift either.
Joe - Don’t apologize! I appreciate that you were looking out for me! And even though I keep reading about the 60-day challenge in your logs, I confess I don’t knwo what it is. Enlighten me!
username - You are 100% correct. I am stronger, bigger and leaner at 39.8 than I was at 35, or 30, or even 20. I continue to improve with age. That has more to do with being a stupid, clueless trainer in my younger years, but I choose not to remember that.
Null - Personally, I’m not blinded by bullshit. I’m blinded by the sheer AWESOMENESS of myself. 
Brett - A lot of these actors can’t find work if they are “too big”. That’s why many of them bulk up for a role and then slim back down. Ryan Reynolds, who I’ll admit isn’t so much a monster as just really well conditioned, admits he doesn’t maintain because it’s just too damned much work.
Cav - I have no comment, but want to just ackowledge your awesome presence here.
The 60 day challenge is an additional amount of train to add into your normal training. ON day one you do 1 chin, 1 reverse lunge, and 1 pushup. Each day you do one more, for 60 days. Eventually you’ll break them up into sets but it can have a pretty big effect appearance wise.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]Canada_K wrote:
Now, now, guys. I can handle myself.
Vamp, I’m a scientist by trade and by education. I don’t believe anything without data. When I say I’m an “older lifter”, there’s several things that I have to manage the average/typical 20-year-old lifter doesn’t.
1.) Kids. That severely impacts how and when I can train, and what priority it can have. Being dad utterly dominates everyting else. So I simply can’t/won’t sacrifice ALL for the iron.
2.) Injuries. Even if we say a 40-year-old tendon has the exact same properties as a 20-year-old tendon, the more we use our joints, the statistically greater chance that we injure 'em. Even if we do everyting right, a 40-year-old accumulates more random opportunities to get hurt than a 20-year-old. So the law of averages demands an older lifter has more injuries to work with.
3.) Being “advanced”. Every big-name strength coach out there (Cressey, Boyle, Wendler, Robertson, etc etc etc) agrees that people who have been lifting for many years need to train differently. Advanced lifters have to start training heavy doubles/singles to continue progressing. Once you’re body is thoroughly seasoned, the rules change.
So I do believe “older lifters” have to do it differently. I never said we’re inherently worse, or weaker, or in any way inferior. But we are playing with a different set of cards. And to be the absolutely monstrous BEST we can be as we age, we have to adjust the way we live and train.
That’s the science, so I’m believing it.
And by the way, as you get to knwo me you’ll se I couldn’t care less how old I am. The only time I give a flying f##k about about my age is when it qualifies me for some kind of discount. I am AWESOME at every age.[/quote]
nice response. but, having injuries is through the many years of training. i don’t think age per se has anything to do with it. I ve had many injuries, but they are pretty much healed. and yes, i do train somewhat differently, i say smarter and more efficient. instead of training my ego, i train to gain. which can be quite different. but i appreciate your response.[/quote]
So you say you don’t let your age affect how ‘YOU’ train, yet in the next breath admit that due to the years you’ve spent traing and injuries you’ve had that you now train “smarter” and more “efficiently”. Well, “NEWS FLASH!!!” buddy, that’s just a different way of saying that you train differently because you are older.
I don’t think there is anyone on this forum who trains easier just because they have reached a certain chronological number. I’d be the first to say that I don’t let my age affect how I lift (I recently did the RSR with 100% of max, refusing to use the 90% suggested just because I was over 40) but if I ignored all the things I’ve learnt over the years as to what works for me and what makes me hurt, I’d be an idiot. “Experience” not age influences how we train.
And if you have a “beef” with older people who you think aren’t training hard enough, maybe you should go door to door and hate on all the couch potatoes doing nothing, not attack people on here who are lifting hard and consistently, some breaking lifetime PRs well into their fifties, despite family and work commitments. You’re picking on the wrong people.
And despite what KP says, (sorry KP! (there see how polite we are?)) I don’t think you should be blocked from this forum just for being unecessarily provocative because we need people like you to remind us what a friendly, supportive and positive place it is the other 99.9% of the time.
Plus, as C_K so eloquently proved “we might be old but we can still handle ourselves”.
P.S Sorry for starting two paragraphs with ‘and’ and I’m not sure if I used the brackets within brackets correctly.
Attaboy, Brett! Take no prisoners! (Don’t worry about your grammar, your old schoolmarm isn’t going to jump out and grade you.)
Kent, glad to see you’re back to your old cheery self. Keep up the AWESOME work.
Factoid: when Steve Reeves went to Hollywood to get into films, they told him he was handsome but God too big. So he made flix in Europe playing Hercules. People finally realized there was gold in them thar biceps. So Cecil deMille hired him to play Samson. But there was a condition… Reeves had to lose 20 lbs. deMille inisisted he was just too damn big. (Steve Reeves??) Reeves tried but couldn’t do it, so deMille fired him and replaced with Victor Mature.
And if you’re saying “Victor who?”, that just shows what a dope deMille was.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]Canada_K wrote:
Howdy folks. I’ve decided to set up a presence here so I can network with some other people like me… namely older lifters. As a suburban, professional, nearly 40, husband and father, my peer group tends to be overweight, golf-obsessed, borderline alcoholics with lower back problems.
Yeah, I don’t fit in. But I’m good with that. I’ve always been a bit on the AWESOME side.
My name is Kent, and by way of introductions, I’ll describe myself in numbers:
Age: 39.5 (which is NOT the same as 40, thank you very much)
Height: 5’-10
Weight: 185 lb
Bf: 9-10%
Squat 1RM: 305 lb
Bench 1RM: 250 lb
I call myself a bodybuilder. I’m currently doing 531 to get stronger, but really I’m only doing that as a vehicle to get bigger. Yup, the goal here is to go from above-average-big-ness to “Holy shit, LOOK at the guy!”. Some days it feels like I’m going there. Other days I feel like a skinny bitch. I’ve dieted hard and been as low as 5%, I’ve bulked kinda hard and been as high as 200lb. I’ve basically exhausted all the tricks I have in my own arsenal, and I’m hoping I can make some good relationships here to learn and grow both in mind and body.
I’m coming form the Precision Nutrition forums, where I can say I am a big fish in a small pond. Coming over here is intimidating as hell because this is basically where the “big guys” live. Still, it’s time for me to go outside my comfort zone.
I’m attaching a couple of pictures, mostly just to prove to myself that I have a right to be here. The first is my before/after photo from the end of my last bulk to the end of the subsequent diet (lost 38 pounds!). The second was me with my best washboard to date. I’m sad to say they are long gone now, as I’m eating to gain.
My next posts will be my training logs, and general musings about the iron game, gym life, the suckiness of not having 20-year-old joints, and the cosmic injustice of not learning how to do bodybuilding correctly until this late in life.
Cheers, folks. I’m glad to be here.[/quote]
I love responding to these sort of posts. and im not trying to insult you in anyway. but you seem to be a bit age obsessed by how you label yourself as an “older lifter” simple chronilogical number doesn’t make one old. you need to re program your brain. its been brainwashed by so many different things from the time you were little. mostly about age.
let me educate you. age doesn’t exist unless you mind gives it power to exist. if you think of yourself as an “older” lifter, then you are one, cause thats how you see yourself. I don’t see myself as an age or number, i am a man in his prime and i will always been in my prime, cause my mind will never accept age.
if you doubt the power of your mind, google placebo effect, its a real life thing that occurs, if a person believes he is getting medicine even its a sugar pill, often times his condition will improve based soley on the person believing he is getting medicine. if your mind believes something, you body doesn’t what your mind tells it.
If you see yourself as an aging or “older” lifter, guess what, you are one. its hard for people to change how they think, cause theyve been brainwashed since they were kids. [/quote]
I know its none of my business. But after reading what Roguevampires post. Im not 100% sure but I think he meant his post as more as a pep talk about not getting so hung up on ones age to the point that you hold yourself back because of it. Of course that my point of view and I could be wrong.
Wow, this thread took a hard right turn back there.
[quote]Canada_K wrote:
Now, now, guys. I can handle myself.
Vamp, I’m a scientist by trade and by education. I don’t believe anything without data. When I say I’m an “older lifter”, there’s several things that I have to manage the average/typical 20-year-old lifter doesn’t.
1.) Kids. That severely impacts how and when I can train, and what priority it can have. Being dad utterly dominates everyting else. So I simply can’t/won’t sacrifice ALL for the iron.
2.) Injuries. Even if we say a 40-year-old tendon has the exact same properties as a 20-year-old tendon, the more we use our joints, the statistically greater chance that we injure 'em. Even if we do everyting right, a 40-year-old accumulates more random opportunities to get hurt than a 20-year-old. So the law of averages demands an older lifter has more injuries to work with.
3.) Being “advanced”. Every big-name strength coach out there (Cressey, Boyle, Wendler, Robertson, etc etc etc) agrees that people who have been lifting for many years need to train differently. Advanced lifters have to start training heavy doubles/singles to continue progressing. Once you’re body is thoroughly seasoned, the rules change.
So I do believe “older lifters” have to do it differently. I never said we’re inherently worse, or weaker, or in any way inferior. But we are playing with a different set of cards. And to be the absolutely monstrous BEST we can be as we age, we have to adjust the way we live and train.
That’s the science, so I’m believing it.
And by the way, as you get to knwo me you’ll se I couldn’t care less how old I am. The only time I give a flying f##k about about my age is when it qualifies me for some kind of discount. I am AWESOME at every age.[/quote]
Very well put…I have nothing else to add…though I did get a kick out of Joe’s response too!
I definitely do things differently as I’ve gotten older. Mostly that’s because I’ve learned a thing or two over the years about how to do things better - particularly what works for me and what doesn’t, and that it may not be the same as the guy next to me.
But I don’t think I’ve ever used getting older as any kind of excuse that limits my ability, and if he had read more than one post from K, he certainly would have realized that he certainly doesn’t either!
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
And despite what KP says, (sorry KP! (there see how polite we are?)) I don’t think you should be blocked from this forum just for being unecessarily provocative because we need people like you to remind us what a friendly, supportive and positive place it is the other 99.9% of the time.
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How dare you defy the great and powerful . . . okay, maybe that doesn’t quite fit me.
I’m sure my “banning” suggestion sounded severe. It was based on past history. This was actually one of the nicer posts I’ve seen RV make. It just happened to be the same day that he made EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE posts on another Over 35ers log, which was promptly removed by the mods.
And now let’s return to our regularly scheduled program.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
And despite what KP says, (sorry KP! (there see how polite we are?)) I don’t think you should be blocked from this forum just for being unecessarily provocative because we need people like you to remind us what a friendly, supportive and positive place it is the other 99.9% of the time.
[/quote]
How dare you defy the great and powerful . . . okay, maybe that doesn’t quite fit me.
I’m sure my “banning” suggestion sounded severe. It was based on past history. This was actually one of the nicer posts I’ve seen RV make. It just happened to be the same day that he made an EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE post on another Over 35ers log, which was promptly removed by the mods.
And now let’s return to our regularly scheduled program.
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I think i missed that post. What was it?
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
And despite what KP says, (sorry KP! (there see how polite we are?)) I don’t think you should be blocked from this forum just for being unecessarily provocative because we need people like you to remind us what a friendly, supportive and positive place it is the other 99.9% of the time.
[/quote]
How dare you defy the great and powerful . . . okay, maybe that doesn’t quite fit me.
I’m sure my “banning” suggestion sounded severe. It was based on past history. This was actually one of the nicer posts I’ve seen RV make. It just happened to be the same day that he made an EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE post on another Over 35ers log, which was promptly removed by the mods.
And now let’s return to our regularly scheduled program.
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I think i missed that post. What was it?[/quote]
By chance was I wrong in playing Devils Advocate ?
on my keyboard the ignore button for my email is labelled “del”
Well, I’m into the second cycle of my diet. I took initial weight, measurements, and skin folds, but I’ve gotten out of the habit of taking ANY interim measurements. It’s too easy to obssess over tiny changes in numbers, plus when we’re talking skinfolds the measurement error of just a couple millimeters can make an enormous difference in the bf%. Even the scale can lie… my weight can vary by as much as 5 lb over a day. So I just go by feel.
I did weigh myself yesterday. So far I’m down 11 pounds, and the offensive part of my belly is gone. No abs visible, but the outline is there. I suppose I could stop now as the damage control has already been successful. But since I’ve gone thorugh this much annoyance and discomfort I might as well keep it going awhile longer and go for HAWT. I already see how the illusion is kicking in, and I gotta say I like it.
Null - Oh the sarcasm was fairly dripping off of your post, there. A curse on you!
Dogg - Is that your first non-animal avi? I didn’t know it was you. I appreciate your point, and agree. The dude’s main idea was “you’re only as old as you allow yourself to feel”. If I’m as old as I look, I’m probably 50. If I’m as old as I feel, I’m probably 25. If I’m as old as you act I’m probably 12. At the end of the day, who gives a s##t because I’m enjoying myself. (and BTW, I’m not sure pep talks are supposed to sound so condescending).
Joe - Who cares? Someone took a random, drive-by dump in my space. I cleaned it up and I moved on. I’m not particularly interested in the details and have far better things to do. And btw, the 60-day challenge would kill me.
snap - I agree, we shall now resume the AWESOMENESS and inappropriate, sexually-offensive wise cracks. I shall begin with you. You have a wonderful tight booty.
Mass - I have learned a couple things too. Mostly that life is too short to spend it acting like other people think I should act. I’ve got my own road map.
dday - I don’t care which way it turned, as long as it turned hard. I like it hard…
Brett - I used to like you but since you started two paragraphs with “AND” I’ve decided you are a bag of douche and I can no longer speak with you (one I could have looked past, but two is simply not acceptable). I refuse to have anything to do with you unless you sell your farm and move to Portugal or Greece. Ah whatever, come here for a hug… sob!