Wow, and I just came to this site to read a creatine article.
Saw this topic and had to throw in my 2 cents. By the way you guys are ruthless.
I was raised in Fundimentalist Christian Church until I was 18. Then decided to find out for myself what I believed and it took approx 2 years after that point to become agnostic, then took another 2 years of open minded study to become a person that believes in God, in whom we all live, move and have our being. The physical universe only being a outward emanation (body) of the ALL. The whole universe is mental, and we are all in the mind of the ALL. Matter is but crystalized spirit, the negative side, and opposite of spirit, yet the same as spirit, just as hot and cold are opposite but both are degrees of the same thing. Anyway, I don’t go to church, and never will again, and I will be voting for Ralph Nader, even though he won’t win, it will be the only way I could sleep at night. Both Kerry and Bush are bought and paid for by special interest. Those same special interest and other parties have locked on to the most dividing social topics such as abortion and gay marriage to grab their base voters. For example Bush could kill thousands of people in a illegal war, that only serves to create more violence, terror, and fear while at the same time pushing us further in debt than ever before, and a church going person will vote for him because he says he is against abortion. These are the tatics of the powers that be, and the same is true for the other side as Kerry is only slightly better. Anyway to sum up: Spiritual, don’t go to church, voting for Nader.
I fucking hate politicians…all of them. They are all shitbags…democrates, republicans, left-wing, right-wing, liberal, conservative, moderate, independant…they call all suck my ass.
Those cock sucking whores do nothing but serve themselves and their own interests…fuck them all.
“It seems that lots of the anti-Christian people are not as secure, because they always try to shut down any open discussions.”
Who is shutting down open discussions? If a government official has religious beliefs, I have no problem with that. It only becomes a problem when they try to impose their morality on me, or use their own beliefs as a basis for writing public policy.
Like I said, other presidents have had their own religious beliefs (Carter, Bush 1, Clinton all spring to mind) but Dubya seems to use his “faith” as a marketing tool, and also as an excuse for lacking solid policies… Bush doesn’t know how to lead, but it’s okay because of his ‘strong Christian faith’.
I think what bothers you most (while you will not admit it) is that President Bush does in fact does know how to lead, and does not run out to take a poll (like a former President you hold in high esteem) everytime he makes a decision. Bush is possibly the strongest leader that this country has had in a long time!
You gotta be kidding me. I think Bush is totally incompetent.
I don’t want a president who is “determined to do things his way” I want a president who is smart, who is surrounded by smart people, who believes in accountability, and who is determined to do things RIGHT.
WHO CARES if George Bush is convinced his wrong-headed plans are somehow “right”, we as a nation are still headed towards the edge of a cliff because he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
I can’t begin to tell you how inferior I think Bush is to John McCain. Boy how I wish McCain would have won the nomination in 2000, but of course George Bush fought dirty against McCain during the GOP runoff in 2000.
Great post!!! I thought it was well reasoned and very balanced. However, the whole anarchy thing went out of style in the 80’s. Thanks for posting. I hope you vote for me.
Jeff
P.S. This one didn’t cost George H.W. Bush a dime.
I will take Bush’s style of leading over “take a poll” Clinton any day! You may think he is “wrongheaded” but as I have stated many times on this forum, he will be reelected!
Have you checked the job growth for the last three months? Iraq will turn, and in fact is turning while your ilk are whining. Bush beats Kerry by 3% to 6%. Know why? Most people will be voting for him because they want a decisive leader who is unafraid to do the right thing, albeit the short term unpopular thing.
Interesting that Bushies would focus on religion as an issue that DIVIDES us when we vote.
Hopefully, we can get a new administration that doesn’t cynically try to leverage the issues that DIVIDE us as Americans, but focuses on things that bring us together.
Goldberg, you and your girl got my attention. Long time lurker here, like your writing and your good sense…so here goes.
Attend church, actually play in a rock band with my children…for my wife’s choir. Lift x3/wk with my 83 year old father. Work for the crippled children’s program. Watch only sports…Voting for the leadership of our President.
elkhntr1:"I know how you feel buddy those poor ignorant minoritys are like children! Maybe we can get you and PtrDr, perhaps Zeb as well, maybe Rainjack to go on a tour of these poor minority areas and get these dumb bastards on board the Bush wagon! Lets get rollin boys on our tour to help the masses! "
I never said anyone was ignorant, but your sarcasm wouldn’t be as strong unless you threw that in. I also never called them “dumb bastards” so I guess that would be how you see them. As I stated, the majority of people around here, minority or otherwise, vote the way they do because of habit and tradition.
But I guess since I am a Christian and conservative I shouldn’t be allowed to talk to anyone and try to persuade them to vote for the candidate I support?
went to church as a kid, read the bible, did not find it coherent, or even inspirational… left religion… voting for kerry
i could care less about another man’s personal beliefs including kerry and bush. i do care when a man tries to impose his religious beliefs on others, especially when those beliefs make little rational sense… abortion? if all life is precious why are some people willing to kill retarded people in texas without hesitation and others willing to kill another man for not regarding a single cell as an entity that deserves the respect of a grown individual… please explain that…
israel? why are some people willing to overlook blatant interational violations, run our own budget into the red, accept anything less than true democracy, and not give a damn that an unstable country has a significant nuclear program? are these conditions really supposed to bring the second coming of christ?
stem cell research?
all in all i will vote for a candidate that is least likely to make a government issue out of a religious belief…
i will not vote for bush because of this, and also because of this whole wmd mess… you can only cut a guy so much slack
lucid, i dont think for one minute that some1 is going to hell becausae of stem cell research, if that was true, every teenage boy who ever has masturbated would go to hell for killing all those poor little sperm cells. maybe you should actually learn about the viewpoints and idealogies of Christianity before you go attacking us. If you wernet so closed minded maybe u would see hat its right.
Please don’t imply that you ever gave G.W.B. any “slack.” You’ve been against him from day one. You do not see his point of view. You think those who agree with him are ignorant (Even though you have no viable alternative approaches).
GWB has not interfered with your religious/nonreligious beliefs, Roe vs Wade is still in effect, and the other things you accuse him of are false.
Therefore, your blatant partisanship is there for all to see. Funny how a GWB supporter could see through your arguments. Aren’t we all about chewing tobacco, profanity, and beer guts?
Nothing tricky (or hateful) about me. You know where I stand politically. And I know where you and your professors stand…(wink)."
–>Yes, I know where you stand and you know where I stand, so? This doesn’t say anything about my question for you - why couldn’t you mention the correlation b/w the republicans on this board and their faith, along with what you must consider a sound conclusion about Dems and their lack of faith? Be fair.
And only you can decide someone “seems like a nice guy” from one post stating 5 freaking facts about himself.
“So when you don’t really have a good, reasoned answer, you just fall back on insults?”
–>Who have I insulted? Bush? C’mon…I think he’s stupid - that’s based on observation and consideration, thus it is a reasoned opinion, not an insult!
jeffr, i have not been against him from day one. i didnt post here in 2000 so i dont know why you would think that. i did not vote for bush in 2000 but that does not mean i immediately discounted the man… i did not vote for arnold here in cali but so far i have been satisfied (i.e. i have cut him som slack with some of the less important things)… after all the events of the last 3.5 years, i do not hold the bush administration in high regard…
“you think those who agree with him are ignorant” umm… i said i could care less what my fellow man believes about his universe…
no he has not really interfered with my beliefs, but i see him as the candidate more likely to interfere… his supporters would like to see prayer in school, grants to religious institutions, etc… and politicians tend to submit to the desires of their supporters
partisanship? perhaps… my beliefs tend to coincide more with kerry than with bush… im not sure if that makes me very partisan… depends on the definition
“aren’t we all about chewing tobacco, profanity, and beer guts?” i dont understand… please explain…