[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m suprised so many people skip breakfast, interesting. I hate breakfast so maybe I’ll give it a try or maybe just drink a protein shake or something small.
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There is a good article by that Keifer guy about skipping breakfast.
Google ‘Why breakfast is nothing but a scam’…interesting read. [/quote]
That is interesting. I think I’ll give it a try. [/quote]
I’ve read some work by Kiefer and he recommends (to fight off hunger in the morning and keep the fast going) coffee w/ coconut oil. Should ease the transition. [/quote]
I might try that. I do like my coffee! I’m not usually hungry in the morning though. I just eat cause it’s, “what your supposed to do.”[/quote]
I don’t know how you guys don’t feel hungry in the morning. If I don’t eat, by 9am my belly is really pissed off.[/quote]
You really program your body to your eating schedule. If its’ used to eating and/or carbs in the morning, it’s going to crave that.[/quote]
Yeah, I would imagine so. Anybody skipping breakfast and doing your lifting before your first solid meal? I lift around 11am then eat lunch after. Haven’t even considered trying to do that without having a morning meal.[/quote]
My morning training sessions (5:30 AM) I’m doing on CH protein during and after and coconut oil and cream after. Then not eating regular food until 9 or 10.
Yeah, I would imagine so. Anybody skipping breakfast and doing your lifting before your first solid meal? I lift around 11am then eat lunch after. Haven’t even considered trying to do that without having a morning meal.[/quote]
I do this. But I can’t imagine giving this a go until I was used to not eating breakfast/not hungry in the mornings. Lifting while hungry can be brutal and a psychological road-block for some.
Note: I exercise at 7AM. Would be difficult to train at 11 I would imagine. Even with getting used to skipping breakfast, I get a bit hungry around 11.
[quote]cueball wrote:
Anybody skipping breakfast and doing your lifting before your first solid meal?[/quote]
I do that. Hasn’t impacted my workouts even slightly. Actually probably feels better because I’m not all bloated and sluggish when I’m training.[/quote]
So what’s the time frame? I certainly wouldn’t eat any solid meal within 1.5 -2 hours before for the same bloating/sluggish reasons you gave.
I’m up at 5:45. I train at 11:00. That’s a long time to be up without food and then try to train. I could certainly see doing it as DD described.
I do drink protein before my session, but I’m not sure that would cut it.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
It’s usually two or three hours after I’m up that I train. I think I could push it for as long as you’ve described so long as I had a LOT of coffee[/quote]
I suppose I could push it there too, but would it be wise? The hormonal elevations talked about in the article level off after what, a few hours?
I’m wanting a good balance for my situation between having a good session and being able to push it, and still be able to optimize opportunities to burn fat. I just don’t think I can have a decent session after being up for 5 hours with no food.
If I was training early, I most certainly would do it before a solid meal.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m suprised so many people skip breakfast, interesting. I hate breakfast so maybe I’ll give it a try or maybe just drink a protein shake or something small.
[/quote]
There is a good article by that Keifer guy about skipping breakfast.
Google ‘Why breakfast is nothing but a scam’…interesting read. [/quote]
That is interesting. I think I’ll give it a try. [/quote]
I’ve read some work by Kiefer and he recommends (to fight off hunger in the morning and keep the fast going) coffee w/ coconut oil. Should ease the transition. [/quote]
I might try that. I do like my coffee! I’m not usually hungry in the morning though. I just eat cause it’s, “what your supposed to do.”[/quote]
I don’t know how you guys don’t feel hungry in the morning. If I don’t eat, by 9am my belly is really pissed off.[/quote]
Mate, I am ravenous.
Especially after cardio but I kind of enjoy the feeling haha.
[quote]cueball wrote:
I don’t know how you guys don’t feel hungry in the morning. If I don’t eat, by 9am my belly is really pissed off.[/quote]You get used to it.
Coffee, tea, lots of water…
I guess its about fitting the correct food into the time slots which are optimal for you. Personally, I do eat breakfast. I tend to shoot for 4-5 meals a day; as long as it fits in with my schedule for that day. If not, and I only manage time for 3 meals thats fine. I will still get the same macros in I just edit the portion sizes of each meal.
In terms of getting lean, I am also an advocate of reasonably low carb living. I just seem to react badly to high carb diets ie 300g+ a day. Carb cycling has really helped me to structure meal plans and add in carbs when I really need them. I tend to only take in carbs post workout, with the GI of the carbs lowering as the day goes on ie White rice post workout, oats of some sort 60-90 minutes later, then something like Quinoa as my final carb source for the day. This seems to do the job of keeping me relatively lean on top of a high protein/fat diet.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m suprised so many people skip breakfast, interesting. I hate breakfast so maybe I’ll give it a try or maybe just drink a protein shake or something small.
[/quote]
There is a good article by that Keifer guy about skipping breakfast.
Google ‘Why breakfast is nothing but a scam’…interesting read. [/quote]
Berardi has a whole free e-book called “Experiments with Intermittent Fasting”. I’d highly suggest anyone interested in the subject read it. It’s a really good overview of the science and his experiences with great tips on trying it and making it work.
Has anybody ever had experience with upping conditioning work rather than cutting calories extensively? It seems the vast majority work the side of the equation of less calories in rather than more calories out, at least from what I’ve seen. Is this because it’s simply more effective, or just that for some they don’t have the time nor the will to do cardio?
[quote]The Hoss wrote:
Has anybody ever had experience with upping conditioning work rather than cutting calories extensively? It seems the vast majority work the side of the equation of less calories in rather than more calories out, at least from what I’ve seen. Is this because it’s simply more effective, or just that for some they don’t have the time nor the will to do cardio?[/quote]
I don’t do cardio, but yes, I prefer to manipulate expenditure rather than calories. Even now, gaining some weight, I’m keeping expenditure really high and just eating even more.
[quote]The Hoss wrote:
Has anybody ever had experience with upping conditioning work rather than cutting calories extensively? It seems the vast majority work the side of the equation of less calories in rather than more calories out, at least from what I’ve seen. Is this because it’s simply more effective, or just that for some they don’t have the time nor the will to do cardio?[/quote]
This is what I am going to try.
I like to eat. I hate going to bed hungry. I have decided to add in a crossfit WOD to my training 5 days a week and add in 25 min LISS in the am and 25 min LISS at night (walk the dog, lol) and see if I can lean out a little more that way.
I will give it a few weeks, if recovery tanks I will go back to the old way.
How do you guys cope with strength maintenance/gains when you start adding conditioning work? Do you find it affecting strength when consuming the same caloric intake?
[quote]The Hoss wrote:
Has anybody ever had experience with upping conditioning work rather than cutting calories extensively? It seems the vast majority work the side of the equation of less calories in rather than more calories out, at least from what I’ve seen. Is this because it’s simply more effective, or just that for some they don’t have the time nor the will to do cardio?[/quote]
I don’t do cardio, but yes, I prefer to manipulate expenditure rather than calories. Even now, gaining some weight, I’m keeping expenditure really high and just eating even more.[/quote]
I do cardio year round, and yes…I always increase output before I reduce input.
[quote]Doh wrote:
How do you guys cope with strength maintenance/gains when you start adding conditioning work? Do you find it affecting strength when consuming the same caloric intake?[/quote]
Adjustments must be made…when you do more of one thing, you must do less of something else; initially at least.
I was wondering if anyone has input on counting protein if you are using MAG-10 or the like. I think - and I may be totally mistaken, that 10 grams of MAG-10 is equivalent to 30 grams of regular whey. So if you are measuring protein intake, how do calculate your total grams. Do you suppose if you take in 20 grams of MAG-10 you can be 60 grams off your daily total e.g. 240 grams if good if its supposed to be 300 grams? Or do you make sure to get 300 grams, taken in the MAG-10 above that and adjust other macros accordingly? Hope this makes sense…