In this particular situation i would.
personally.
many will tell you to come off and start again entirely… but me? Frontload - as you are still suppressed - still (no matter what some of the ‘vets’ say) gaining from 250 once a week - although it would be better to inject125mg 2x/wk
tisk tisk young grasshopper. how many times do we tell you to have ALL compounds on hand BEFORE you start.
[quote] Brook wrote:
although it would be better to inject125mg 2x/wk[/quote]
Aww damn! I did not even think about that!
[quote]Game_over wrote:
tisk tisk young grasshopper. how many times do we tell you to have ALL compounds on hand BEFORE you start. [/quote]
I know, I know. I have never had a problem with seizure before so I just made an ass out of myself by assuming everything would work every time, Lesson learned.
Now, back on topic. So, using the aforementioned formula your test levels will jump within the first week to where it would normally take 3-4 weeks? Cause if so, that is fucking genius. I wish I would have known that 3 cycles ago, haha.
To figure it semi-precisely:
You want to be at the 500 mg/week level. You are now at the 250 mg/week level.
So frontloading only needs to make up half the difference that it usually would.
Thus, rather than injecting about 500 mg plus your ongoing injection (250 mg), you need inject only 250 mg plus 250 mg to get levels promptly where you want them.
That is to say, first injection should be about 500 mg, then follow-up half a week later and thereafter 2x/week with the planned 250 mg per injection.
There is a formula but the last post was BR yet in actuality it hasnt been so i’ll wait and see if he reveals himself.
Not like that… i mean…
the equation.
Brook
The equation assumes starting from zero.
Here, one is starting from levels half of desired. So the added amount would be half what the equation calculates for added amount.
It would be approximately the above value.
That makes sense. Thanks for shedding some light on the subject, BR.
Well, did frontload with 1gram on Test for 1st week, and continued with 500mg/w. And experienced no massive weight gain!!! Why?!? First of all: no junk food, massive calories, high carbs…
Second did letro for two weeks prior first shot, so no water retention either… But definitely felt good sides of Test much sooner (constant erections, good mood…) which usually starts few more weeks later…
So front load and zillion pounds of instant muscle is shit. Period. Maybe instant water and fat, but that’s it!
No one said:
The frontload is simply to achieve peak blood levels of the drug from the offset. It takes TIME to build muscle… steroids do not build muscle, they provide an excess of certain hormones that give positive nitrogen retention.
There is no magic steroid or protocol/stack/cycle that gives instant gains. Maybe you should read about the physiological side of skeletal muscles and how they actually grow.
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
No one said:
“…So front load and zillion pounds of instant muscle…”
The frontload is simply to achieve peak blood levels of the drug from the offset. It takes TIME to build muscle… steroids do not build muscle, they provide an excess of certain hormones that give positive nitrogen retention.
There is no magic steroid or protocol/stack/cycle that gives instant gains. Maybe you should read about the physiological side of skeletal muscles and how they actually grow.
Brook
[/quote]
Fist of all:
I’m not moron, troll or noob! So you don’t need to speak to me as one!
Second:
Read the thread from the start, or any other frontload thread and you’ll see: “I gained 20-30 pounds in few weeks” as any other post…
I know what is frontload used for and already said that it definitely does what it should…
[quote]RoNeo wrote:
Brook wrote:
No one said:
“…So front load and zillion pounds of instant muscle…”
The frontload is simply to achieve peak blood levels of the drug from the offset. It takes TIME to build muscle… steroids do not build muscle, they provide an excess of certain hormones that give positive nitrogen retention.
There is no magic steroid or protocol/stack/cycle that gives instant gains. Maybe you should read about the physiological side of skeletal muscles and how they actually grow.
Brook
Fist of all:
I’m not moron, troll or noob! So you don’t need to speak to me as one!
Second:
Read the thread from the start, or any other frontload thread and you’ll see: “I gained 20-30 pounds in few weeks” as any other post…
I know what is frontload used for and already said that it definitely does what it should…
[/quote]
First of all
Grow up.
Second of all
Are you really complaining because you didn’t have the exact same experience as someone else? Everyone reacts differently, each time he cycles the results will be different. If you think that the frontload did what it was supposed to do what was the point of your post other than to whine that at least one other person made better gains than you did in the first week or two?
Also Op, are you sure your gear was top potency? There is a lot of underdosed gear out there and few have really solid sources.
[quote] Brook wrote:
I personally like to use dbol at the end of a front load cycle with the last 2 weeks of the dbol ran alongside nothing else… this means PCT (another story altogether for me) can be started the day of dbol cessation.
So it would look like this:
Wk1-6- test E/C/wk
Wk3-8- Dbol 35-50mg/wk
PCT week 8
Kapeesh?
Brook[/quote]
Booya
BulletproofTiger,
You are everywhere!! Good researching…
[quote]RoNeo wrote:
Brook wrote:
No one said:
“…So front load and zillion pounds of instant muscle…”
The frontload is simply to achieve peak blood levels of the drug from the offset. It takes TIME to build muscle… steroids do not build muscle, they provide an excess of certain hormones that give positive nitrogen retention.
There is no magic steroid or protocol/stack/cycle that gives instant gains. Maybe you should read about the physiological side of skeletal muscles and how they actually grow.
Brook
Fist of all:
I’m not moron, troll or noob! So you don’t need to speak to me as one!
Second:
Read the thread from the start, or any other frontload thread and you’ll see: “I gained 20-30 pounds in few weeks” as any other post…
I know what is frontload used for and already said that it definitely does what it should…
[/quote]
…
With 14 or so posts and zero stats or pics posted suggests you may not be as advanced as you would like to have us believe.
I read what is necessary - you may or may not notice i have posted from the beginning of this thread as a fan of the frontload.
I read your post and found it necessary to point out that you or anyone else would be mistaken to think that muscle will be built in the first week due to a well planned frontload (doubling the dose isnt exactly a well planned or thought out frontload IME)- the fact that if Test or other aromatizable AAS is used then water gain will be present, that is true - but you say all it gives is libido and water… firstly tell that to the guy with dbol in his cycle smashing his PB’s through the roof due to the intra-cellular water. It dont go all on the cheeks y’know.
Secondly, there are other benefits, how about being able to run short 4 week blasts giving time to grow with peak levels, or safety in recovery, or competitive sport…How about safety in time on, how about short effective cycles, how about not needing to wait 3-7 weeks for peak blood levels to build?
Lastly, if you think you know enough about physiology and pharmacokinetics to not need to bother [quote]“…I KNOW what a frontload does and why…”[/quote] you are definitely a moron (I called you neither a troll, noob or other derogeratory term - though i believe them to be true now).
Brook
[quote]RoNeo wrote:
Well, did frontload with 1gram on Test for 1st week, and continued with 500mg/w. And experienced no massive weight gain!!! Why?!? First of all: no junk food, massive calories, high carbs…
Second did letro for two weeks prior first shot, so no water retention either… But definitely felt good sides of Test much sooner (constant erections, good mood…) which usually starts few more weeks later…
So front load and zillion pounds of instant muscle is shit. Period. Maybe instant water and fat, but that’s it![/quote]
There is little wrong with this post, as long as you know why you didnt get the massive weight gain. I rarely do on test and drol or any potent cycle due to letro or arimidex, it can be a negative as i personally find that my strength isnt as affected positively as many claim test etc to do so…
So i assume eating clean, moderate calories and using letro you may be cutting?
What are your stats?
Age?
No flame.
Yet.
Brook
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Are you really complaining because you didn’t have the exact same experience as someone else? Everyone reacts differently, each time he cycles the results will be different. If you think that the frontload did what it was supposed to do what was the point of your post other than to whine that at least one other person made better gains than you did in the first week or two? [/quote]
I’m not whining about nothing! Just did fl protocol and concluded that gains are nothing but water retention and/or improper diet that’s all! For your info I did excess calorie diet on cycle before, got 20 pounds in 12 days; Michelin man look. If you get a hard on just to see weight scale moving, look like beer barrel just to bench few pounds more and be local teen hero at your gym; good for you, but I prefer solid and steady gains at single digit BF, because anything else is IMHO waste of gear… I can easily gain weight without ‘roids so why waste my money just to look like huge pile of fat… I did exaggerate a lil’ bit… :))))
Remember that opinions are like assholes…
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Did you use an AI during your frontload?
If not, then OF COURSE you will put on a lot of water weight.
BBB[/quote]
To quote myself:
[quote]RoNeo wrote:
Well, did frontload with 1gram on Test for 1st week, and continued with 500mg/w. And experienced no massive weight gain!!! Why?!? First of all: no junk food, massive calories, high carbs…
Second did letro for two weeks prior first shot, so no water retention either… But definitely felt good sides of Test much sooner (constant erections, good mood…) which usually starts few more weeks later…
So front load and zillion pounds of instant muscle is shit. Period. Maybe instant water and fat, but that’s it!
[/quote]
This was recently!
And that what you quoted was my cycle a year ago with no frontload (No AI either).
You’re just proving my point!
[quote] Brook wrote:
There is little wrong with this post, as long as you know why you didnt get the massive weight gain. I rarely do on test and drol or any potent cycle due to letro or arimidex, it can be a negative as i personally find that my strength isnt as affected positively as many claim test etc to do so…
Brook[/quote]
Personal choice…
[quote] Brook wrote:
So i assume eating clean, moderate calories and using letro you may be cutting?
Brook[/quote]
No! Call it a very clean bulk…