Well, in those cases where a first-timer has a reasonable plan in terms of dosages, choice of drugs, and ancillaries (such as an AI, etc), what percent of time in practice do they wind up backing down dosage after a week or two on discovering that the plan was, sensible as it was, screwed up for them?
Very very low.
So anticipating that being likely and therefore avoiding going right to the intended blood levels would be useful in only a tiny minority of cases.
The exception IMO is Deca: I never have a first-time Deca user frontload Deca.
If considered that one’s drug choices and intended amounts for a first time cycle may have side effect problems, I think there are two much better answers than not frontloading:
1)If the plan is simply poor, then correct it.
If it’s one that is ordinarily OK but you are very concerned about side effects, then understand how to take care of the side effects and do so.
For example, you are concerned about reaction to testosterone. Well, there will be no problem with reaction to testosterone per se. Any problems will be from excess estrogen and/or DHT. So rather than planning on not frontloading keeping your levels half what they are planned in the first week, thre-quarters the second week and so forth, use an AI if concerned about the estrogen, use a SERM too if really concerned about gyno while waiting on test results on whether your estrogen is in fact being kept low normal (if it use then drop the SERM), use dutasteride if concerned about the DHT. Then you could experiment with backing off the dutasteride to see if you really need to be worrying about the DHT anyway. Most do not use it.
Few can psychologically tolerate Deca at any really high dose, on account of depression and/or impotence. The usual ceiling is 400 mg/week. However some are more sensitive than most and can suffer depression at even 200 mg/week.
Since it is long-acting, if one has no information on one’s tolerance, then if one happened to be one of those that can’t tolerate even 200 mg/week, it would be quite undesirable to immediately (so to speak) bring levels to the 400 mg/week level with a frontload.
Not frontloading Deca results in a planned 400 mg/week starting out at blood levels commensurate with about 200 mg/week or a little less. So if it is unsuitable for the individual, all that need be done is not reinject and levels will drop enough to at least mostly ameliorate symptoms in a reasonable amount of time.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Few can psychologically tolerate Deca at any really high dose, on account of depression and/or impotence. The usual ceiling is 400 mg/week. However some are more sensitive than most and can suffer depression at even 200 mg/week.
Since it is long-acting, if one has no information on one’s tolerance, then if one happened to be one of those that can’t tolerate even 200 mg/week, it would be quite undesirable to immediately (so to speak) bring levels to the 400 mg/week level with a frontload.
Not frontloading Deca results in a planned 400 mg/week starting out at blood levels commensurate with about 200 mg/week or a little less. So if it is unsuitable for the individual, all that need be done is not reinject and levels will drop enough to at least mostly ameliorate symptoms in a reasonable amount of time.[/quote]
Wow, most excellent information Bill.
BIG THANKS ON THAT ONE!
Talk about a potential nightmare there…
Thanks for that explanation Bill. It is particularly useful for me as I was considering a summer cycle with Deca in the mix. I would no doubt have frontloaded. The depression aspect concerns me as I suffer bouts of low morale especially in the low sunlight months.
Personally I would opt for 8 weeks. I find it gets stale for me after 8 weeks and max gains have already materialized by then. I’d rather recover and be ready to start another short cycle on full steam sooner.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Personally I would opt for 8 weeks. I find it gets stale for me after 8 weeks and max gains have already materialized by then. I’d rather recover and be ready to start another short cycle on full steam sooner.[/quote]
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
RoNeo wrote:
Scheduled fload for next week… 750mg on MON(AM) and 250mg on THU(PM) to continue with 250mg in same fashion… Hope to drop some positive feedback…
250mg/wk? A waste of time. Well not really, but why bother, when 500 would be more than twice as effective yet no more ‘damaging’.
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NOOOOO! :)))
250mg MON and 250mg THU. (already mentioned it in tren ace thread
i am 5"11
i know,i know!, i could have gained loads more naturally but to be honest i had no patience and didnt want to wait a few years to make progress
i trained for years but was doing the wrong exercises with insuffiecient calories
i rectified these problems before starting the cycle
most of the gains i made on my first cycle could have been gained naturally albeit over a longer time frame
The day after my 25th birthday i started the cycle so i wasnt worried about not growing taller etc…
im still not particularly bulky at 85 kg but id say im about a medium build
my last cycle was 10months ago and im planning another one soon
I personally like to use dbol at the end of a front load cycle with the last 2 weeks of the dbol ran alongside nothing else… this means PCT (another story altogether for me) can be started the day of dbol cessation.
So it would look like this:
Wk1-6- test E/C/wk
Wk3-8- Dbol 35-50mg/wk
PCT week 8
I have a, umm… buddy. Yah, that’s right. A buddy who miscalculated the amount of Test E he had and is now running on fumes waiting for his stuff to arrive. I was running 500mg/wk, at 250 Mondays and Thursdays. I mean, my BUDDY was running that and then he noticed he was running a little low… so he ordered some more.
Well, to conserve I… I mean he, cut his injections down to once a week. Meaning 250mg/wk on Thursdays now. Well its week 9. And there is no more juice for this Thurs. And the past 3 weeks have been single injection weeks.
Now, I say all this for a reason, I promise!
When the new stuff arrives should I, he frontload to jump back into it? It should be here in at most 2 weeks. And PCT is not an option… it got siezed. That has also been reorderd.
I am not trying to turn this into a new thread. I just was wondering if a frontload would fix this particular situation for my… retarded friend.
