[quote]vroom wrote:
Oh, yes, the French do appear to be on the wrong side of issues a fair amount these days. That doesn’t mean you have to dehumanize and villify them, or is that the only trick left in the book?[/quote]
We could invade them, bathe them, and enslave them.
oh it makes happy because your moron of president attacked a country in order to fill his pocket. heh?
my friend do yourself a favor, and get educated, if you really read the history books you will fing that when the british attacked the U.S, the french came to their rescue and saved their asses. if it wasn’t for them the U.S would not have existed. it would have been called Britain. check your history book, Mr.Uneducated.
well i guess you think with your ass. just read the history books, and see who saved you from the british when they had invaded you. if it wasn’t for the french, the U.S. would be called Great Britain. tell you what honey, why don’t try to bump your brain a bit with education too.
Actually we need a whole lot of history here.
First of all the France that helped us against Britain is not the France of today.
(It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.)
I will agree we should differentiate the French, the French government, and their media. Some French actually supported Bush.
France “stood up to America” for three reasons. First for political benefit, second financial, and third to keep secret their involvement in the food for oil fraud.
Now exactly why are they allowed to keep bitching about us, but we are not allowed to complain about that bitching?
Oh yeah, why are we supposed to remember them helping us, (which they didn’t considering it was a different country then,) but we have to forget our involvement in the war helping them? Either we can go into to past, or we cannot. Who exactly is setting the rules here?
This general hate for the French pisses me off. Sure, their foreign policy ran counter to ours for their own benefit but we would have done the same. You can dislike their government for this but why hate the French themselves and everything else French? Our hate for the French justifies the Arab world’s hate for the American people, not just our elite government officials(and we’ve done PLENTY more to the arab world than France has done to us). If you don’t agree that we’ve screwed over the Arab world then do some research and you’ll be pretty disturbed.
[quote]doogie wrote:
vroom wrote:
Oh, yes, the French do appear to be on the wrong side of issues a fair amount these days. That doesn’t mean you have to dehumanize and villify them, or is that the only trick left in the book?
We could invade them, bathe them, and enslave them.[/quote]
Doogie you made my morning. ROFL.
I see vroom is once again in “hate mode.” This time the target is the United States Of America…oh my.
It’s too bad you see anything except agreement with your viewpoint as “hate mode” Zeb.
There are some points worthy of consideration in my post. I’m upset that other’s contributions aren’t considered – which is fair and not hateful. I even concede the French are wrong or have been doing wrong.
The rest is tongue in cheek in an attempt to get you to realize how poor an attitude the US, or at least some of its citizens, shows.
Anyway, I’m off to have some freedom fries and to kick any French people I run into today…
The real problem with the French is that they want to be a world power, but they are no longer a world military power. Their seat on the U.N. Security Counsel is a vestige of the fact they developed a nuclear weapon very early.
Now they’re pushing for the E.U. to develop a military presence, which they will want to control, and they are sandbagging in NATO. Basically, they know they can’t participate in a leadership role in a military alliance with the U.S., and a leadership role is the only one they wish to take.
Without a serious military option in their toolbox, they have to maintain that every problem be solved by more and more diplomacy. When all you have in your toolbox is a hammer, you treat every problem like a nail.
Of course, this doesn’t even get into the specific analysis of what they view to be in their own national interest vis-a-vis the U.S., especially in situations such as Iraq, Iran and Central Africa. Suffice it to say, they look out for themselves – and while there isn’t anything wrong with that per se, it does become tiresome for talking heads over here to claim France speaks “for the rest of the world” when Chiraq gets testy.
vroom:
vroom wrote:
“Alright, the Allies stormed Normandy, not just the mighty US.”
“However, a different question, how many centuries does the US get to hold WWII over the heads of the French?”
“Or perhaps they should forever be on the ground kissing your (USA) feet because at one point your ancestors did something grand for reasons other than bragging rights?”
“No, don’t bother to answer, I already know the answer to this… there is only one country on the planet that matters to anyone. Here, let me throw myself on the ground and worship your feet now before you crush my country for my impudence.”
I am sure that the above is just a sampling of how much you love the United States…oh my.
[quote]Tungsten wrote:
Becareful of what french says about USA… Didn’t we save their asses from world war I and II? We might not do it next time…[/quote]
I don’t really care for the French attitude personally. However, I think that if you look at history, you will find that without the French there would be probably be no free united states. The French were our allies during the fight for Independence and settled much of the northern hemisphere.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
When all you have in your toolbox is a hammer, you treat every problem like a nail.
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Good saying. Never heard that one before.
Hating the French only brings us down to their level. I think the USA is above that, so let’s wrap this thread up. Shall we?
Sure, but I can’t leave Zeb out there trying to make it appear as if I don’t like the US.
How many times do I have to repeat that I’ve lived and worked in the US for many years and damned near married a Texan woman. I don’t have anything against the US, though from time to time I don’t agree with some attitudes or policies.
Learn the difference, please!
lol funny looks as if i’m the only european on this board 
live in belgium, which means that france is our neighbour. And i followed the elections and they were pretty objective in belgium … The documentary I saw the other day from Fox news about being in favour of bush was something different tho
[quote]Tungsten wrote:
Becareful of what french says about USA… Didn’t we save their asses from world war I and II? We might not do it next time…[/quote]
funny that you mention world war 2
actually the USA saved France because they were scared as hell of communism…
I won’t deny that they helped them out a lot! but the reason was fear of the russians then and the whole cold war thing
[quote]acidreign wrote:
lol funny looks as if i’m the only european on this board
live in belgium, which means that france is our neighbour. And i followed the elections and they were pretty objective in belgium … The documentary I saw the other day from Fox news about being in favour of bush was something different tho [/quote]
NO you aren’t the only one!
I’m french and listening to americans is quite funny.
I remember the fuss they made about Clinton’s dick, french people are still laughing. Now, they are stuck in Iraq, it’s sad for every body. Don’t forget we’ve got 4 000 soldiers in Ivory Coast!
BostonBarrister wrote:
When all you have in your toolbox is a hammer, you treat every problem like a nail.
Good saying. Never heard that one before.
but for mosquitos, it’s useless!
Bandgfeek wrote
An 18th century French general asked an 18th century English general why the Brits always wore red coats into battle. “Well,” said the Brit, “it is so that if the platoon leader is shot, the blood will not show and cause panic among the troops.” The Frenchman was most impressed and decided to give the idea a try in his own country. And so, to this day, the French army always goes into battle wearing brown pants.
just some history details. In the 18th century french soldiers gave their lives to allow America to be freed. Their uniforms were white because frechies are not afraid of blood. After, the revolution they conquerred Europe. British were so much afraid of them that they sent Napoleon to Saint Helene and then assassinated him.
Yes, these are courageous guys!
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Traceur wrote:
The USA didn’t save as much as we’re led to believe, in each of the World Wars. In fact it was the position of this country not to get involved in any “foreign wars”. This led to a last minute entrance in both conflicts (ie 2 years late in EACH). We’d certainly have a different view if we were land locked with our aggressors.
The whole Pacific conflict, and its result, was mighty impressive, but we don’t have the bragging rights of “saving the world” as we’d like to believe.
What?!?!?
Maybe I’m an idiot - but nothing you just said made a bit of sense.
We might have entered late, but who liberated France in WWII? Damn sure wasn’t Finland. Who lost all those brave heros on Normandy? Damn sure wasn’t the French - they were all to bussy trying to find white flags. Which country staffed NATO at the height of the Cold War? Damn sure don’t think that Canada comes into play here.
We are the Superpower we fashion ourselves to be. We are the Superpower the entire world has fashioned us to be.
And the French are the chicken-shit cowards they have historically fashioned themselves to be.[/quote]
Just remember
who gave you the intelligence before D Day? we still remember what you did. As well we remember you managed to make France one of your colonies. We respect these guys killed on our beaches. When we say “don’t go to Iraq, you rush toward a failure” your president should have listened. We knew there were no Mass Destruction Weapons there; just a bloody dictator kept in plae by George Bushh father! who slaughtered thousands of people after the americans had left them alone.
War is not a matter of big bombers and money, be a little clever is helpfull too!