This is why I only pay for stuff on the internet with paypal. It’s amazing how helpful people become once you ask paypal to give you your money back.
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@losthog Let me on a little truth I have known for a long time… Just because someone is a accomplished lifter doesn’t always equal them being a good coach or being as knowledgeable as you would think.
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It’s becoming self-perpetuating as well. More and more lifters are deciding that they can be coaches too, and they look at what their peers have done (which is, just sell a spreadsheet and ignore their clients), so they do that as well. And eventually, enough of them do this that THIS becomes the norm of “coaching”.
But people would rather by “coaching” from some Instagram celebrity than an actual honest to god coach, because it’s cool to say you are “coached” by Larry Wheels than to say you are coached by some dude that actually produces champions. I swear to god it’s NOW a competition to see who has the coolest coach, irrespective of results.
And not to say that’s what you’ve done @losthog , but more just a general observation.
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Nope that was the draw initially. His name brand was part of the draw. If I’m gonna down that kind of money I want a more personal touch. I can find someone around here that has done enough and let them coach me for cheaper. Or I could use that money and join a gym where some old strong dudes lift and get some advice and “coaching” that way.
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Yep… that is how it use to be done.
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Like the fucking CT Fletcher qualification that idiots were signing up for. Remember that?
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Or his Masster Plan ebook which was one of his bench workouts, no percentages or anything just whatever weight he lifted that day.
I think this is your problem. Remember when finding a good coach they should be interviewing you as much as you are interviewing them. A good coach won’t take you on if your values and ethics aren’t aligned. A good coach should listen to your feedback and allow you to give suggestions, a good coach will most likely ignore all your suggestions lol, but they will tell you why. Coaching is a partnership, you are giving a commitment to train as much as they are giving a commitment to train you.
@losthog Next time you plan to part with your hard earned money, I would suggest you speak to or preferably meet the coach for a coffee and discuss what you want and what they want and make sure you are in the same page. Also the old adage of you get what you pay for is true. A good coach is not going to do it for peanuts.
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I’ve had people contact me before and in my usual new client questionnaire, I always have a “have you worked with any trainers or coaches before” question. You’d be amazed how many names I could drop and recount their former clients’ horrible experiences and just downright stupid plans/advice that were given out “as” the individual in question (I phrase it as such because very often it’s not, and almost as often, it is but it’s just boneheaded advice that might work for a 300 lbs, genetically elite, PED aided IFBB pro, but not what you send a 150 lbs high school kid).
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Out of curiosity, what program are you doing?
Right now it’s Jon Andersen’s Deep Water intermediate program, but using 75% of my 10rm instead of 80%. I’m trying to bridge my way to the correct working weights, and I’m at the point where the feeling of dread of completing this phase and moving on to the next is ridiculous.
If the damn program didn’t work, it’d be so easy to quit, but it’s definitely the most effective way I’ve trained in a LONG time.
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I have no doubt the program I wa sent to follow as part of this group training was solid. It was well designed and I was making body improvements on the program. That is not the problem I had…
For me it was sold as a group coached program and lacked any coaching aspect. Just a program thrown out there and little coaching or answering of questions took place and was discouraged.
I’m gonna say the problem probably is my expectations for what I thought I was buying and what I received.
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I watched the (excellent) Brian Alshrue (@Alpha) video below… I may never deadlift again after hearing the detail around the competitor breaking their pelvis:
My face just listening to that story:
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I haven’t gotten around to watching this one, but glad to know I’m in for a horror story.
I confess that my wife offered to buy me a car deadlift frame and I turned it down because I’m moving this summer and don’t want to deal with the logistics of packing it up.
I don’t know who I am anymore.
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House warming gift?
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Just leave it attached to the car and drive it to the new house. Duh.
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We’ve settled on “retirement gift”, once we have our forever home. I’m going to have a pretty sweet gym, and no reason to have it, because I have zero desire to train anyone, haha.
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No desire? No problem. Guilt will do the trick 
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8 years of Catholic education: I’m immune to guilt.
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