The Fall of America?

A Fox News poll released Friday finds widespread belief among American voters that the country is on the decline as a civilization. In addition, a majority thinks the country is moving toward socialism.

A 62 percent majority of voters thinks the United States is on the decline. That’s more than twice as many as the 26 percent who believe it is on the rise.

Most Republicans â?? 76 percent â?? think the country is in decline, and 64 percent of independents agree. Views among Democrats are more evenly split: 41 percent say on the rise and 43 percent say on the decline.

There’s a slight gender gap as men (64 percent) are somewhat more likely than women (59 percent) to take the negative view of the country’s progress. Across generations there is substantial agreement: young voters ages 35 and under (58 percent) are about as likely as seniors 65 and over (57 percent) to think things are on a downward slide.

Click here to see the poll.

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Along with a strong sense of national decline, the poll also finds 73 percent of voters think the government in Washington has too much power, up from 64 percent who thought so in 1997.

That feeling crosses party lines. To varying degrees, majorities of Republicans (89 percent), independents (78 percent) and Democrats (53 percent) agree the government is too powerful.

Almost all voters â?? 89 percent â?? think elected officials in Washington are employees of the American public and “should therefore try to follow the will of the people when making decisions.”

Socialism
A majority thinks the transition from capitalism to socialism in the U.S. is already underway. By 56-34 percent, more voters think the country is currently moving away from capitalism to socialism. Far fewer voters, however, approve.

Less than one in five voters (18 percent) thinks it would be a good thing for the country to move away from capitalism and toward socialism. Among those most likely to favor this option are those with household incomes under $30,000 (28 percent), as well as those under age thirty (31 percent), and Democrats (32 percent).

About 7 in 10 voters (69 percent) think a move toward socialism would be a bad thing. Republicans (88 percent), those with household incomes of $100,000 or more (83 percent), and those ages 55 and over (70 percent) are among those most likely to think it would be a bad move. Smaller majorities of those living in lower-income households (59 percent), young people (57 percent), as well as just under half of Democrats (49 percent) agree.

America = Rome

We let ourselves become infected with the worship of ‘need’. The lack of something became of value. To be a victim became of value. To be uneducated became a value.

Thus people succeed not by achievement but because they don’t achieve anything. Government played along because they got votes and power, by robbing the achievers and giving to the needy.

Trouble is that this system can’t last. The vampires either run out of victims (as in ancient Rome) or the victims withdraw from the system when things get bad enough. A lot of this second one is happening now.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
We let ourselves become infected with the worship of ‘need’. The lack of something became of value. To be a victim became of value. To be uneducated became a value.

Thus people succeed not by achievement but because they don’t achieve anything. Government played along because they got votes and power, by robbing the achievers and giving to the needy.

Trouble is that this system can’t last. The vampires either run out of victims (as in ancient Rome) or the victims withdraw from the system when things get bad enough. A lot of this second one is happening now.[/quote]

I agree 100% and would add that Americans trade their freedoms for a false sense of security without thinking of the repercussions.
I think the down fall happened long ago when we stop producing our own goods. Also the next biggest contributing factor is when they started shipping the jobs overseas.

I can practically guarantee you nobody in Rome was afraid of the state heading towards socialism.

[quote]Otep wrote:
I can practically guarantee you nobody in Rome was afraid of the state heading towards socialism.[/quote]

And after the reforms of Diocletian they got it anyway.

And crumbled.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
We let ourselves become infected with the worship of ‘need’. The lack of something became of value. To be a victim became of value. To be uneducated became a value.

Thus people succeed not by achievement but because they don’t achieve anything. Government played along because they got votes and power, by robbing the achievers and giving to the needy.

Trouble is that this system can’t last. The vampires either run out of victims (as in ancient Rome) or the victims withdraw from the system when things get bad enough. A lot of this second one is happening now.[/quote]

I agree, to an extent.

Though I think its more the worship of “more for less”, which inevitably becomes “everything for nothing”.

Every empire fell.
America’s no different.

What a surprise that Faux news is publishing a poll showing that people believe things that Faux news keeps pumping out as propaganda to be true.

Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary. You not liking Fox doesn’t count.

[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary. You not liking Fox doesn’t count.[/quote]I would likewise be very keen to see such evidence. We hear this all the time. “FOX is filled with… with… with… hateful ninnies and… and… and… it’s bad.” We never do seem to get anywhere beyond that though I have a whole thread where such evidence has been welcome for months, maybe a year, I’d have to check.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary. You not liking Fox doesn’t count.[/quote]I would likewise be very keen to see such evidence. We hear this all the time. “FOX is filled with… with… with… hateful ninnies and… and… and… it’s bad.” We never do seem to get anywhere beyond that though I have a whole thread where such evidence has been welcome for months, maybe a year, I’d have to check.
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what insight to know they were “faux” news followers…

“The national telephone poll was conducted for Fox News by Opinion Dynamics Corp. among 900 registered voters from July 27 to July 28. For the total sample, the poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.”

it was a fucking telephone poll, not a poll conducted on their website. Funny that it seems to be the other “news” outlets that alter their news. Journolist, cropping images during the flotilla scandal, etc.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary. You not liking Fox doesn’t count.[/quote]I would likewise be very keen to see such evidence. We hear this all the time. “FOX is filled with… with… with… hateful ninnies and… and… and… it’s bad.” We never do seem to get anywhere beyond that though I have a whole thread where such evidence has been welcome for months, maybe a year, I’d have to check.
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Where do I even start? Using footage from one protest and claiming it was of another. Pumping the morning programs full of soundbites then reporting on the fact that people use those soundbites later in the day by saying that those soundbites are ‘the views of the people’. Stage managing crowds at protests then reporting on the protests.

A news organisation is supposed to report the news, not create it.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary. You not liking Fox doesn’t count.[/quote]I would likewise be very keen to see such evidence. We hear this all the time. “FOX is filled with… with… with… hateful ninnies and… and… and… it’s bad.” We never do seem to get anywhere beyond that though I have a whole thread where such evidence has been welcome for months, maybe a year, I’d have to check.
[/quote]

Where do I even start? Using footage from one protest and claiming it was of another. Pumping the morning programs full of soundbites then reporting on the fact that people use those soundbites later in the day by saying that those soundbites are ‘the views of the people’. Stage managing crowds at protests then reporting on the protests.

A news organisation is supposed to report the news, not create it.[/quote]

Nope. A news organization is supposed to get viewers, so advertising time during the program is worth more.

Period. End of story.

If this means being horribly slanted (FOX, MSNBC, etc), they’ll do it. If it means twisting information to make a risk seem worse than it is, they’ll do it (Eating raw eggs may kill you!!). Sensationalism, bias, baiting… all just part of the territory.

Please, dont trust news programs.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Nope. A news organization is supposed to get viewers, so advertising time during the program is worth more.

Period. End of story.

If this means being horribly slanted (FOX, MSNBC, etc), they’ll do it. If it means twisting information to make a risk seem worse than it is, they’ll do it (Eating raw eggs may kill you!!). Sensationalism, bias, baiting… all just part of the territory.

Please, dont trust news programs.[/quote]

X2. Fox is better than the rest, but none of them are worth taking too seriously.

[quote]Dabba wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Nope. A news organization is supposed to get viewers, so advertising time during the program is worth more.

Period. End of story.

If this means being horribly slanted (FOX, MSNBC, etc), they’ll do it. If it means twisting information to make a risk seem worse than it is, they’ll do it (Eating raw eggs may kill you!!). Sensationalism, bias, baiting… all just part of the territory.

Please, dont trust news programs.[/quote]

X2. Fox is better than the rest, but none of them are worth taking too seriously.[/quote]

Let me guess, Dabba, right leaning a bit? :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary. You not liking Fox doesn’t count.[/quote]I would likewise be very keen to see such evidence. We hear this all the time. “FOX is filled with… with… with… hateful ninnies and… and… and… it’s bad.” We never do seem to get anywhere beyond that though I have a whole thread where such evidence has been welcome for months, maybe a year, I’d have to check.
[/quote]

Where do I even start? Using footage from one protest and claiming it was of another. Pumping the morning programs full of soundbites then reporting on the fact that people use those soundbites later in the day by saying that those soundbites are ‘the views of the people’. Stage managing crowds at protests then reporting on the protests.

A news organisation is supposed to report the news, not create it.[/quote]

Nope. A news organization is supposed to get viewers, so advertising time during the program is worth more.

Period. End of story.

If this means being horribly slanted (FOX, MSNBC, etc), they’ll do it. If it means twisting information to make a risk seem worse than it is, they’ll do it (Eating raw eggs may kill you!!). Sensationalism, bias, baiting… all just part of the territory.

Please, dont trust news programs.[/quote]

Point taken, when I said news organisation I should actually have said journalist.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Dabba wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Nope. A news organization is supposed to get viewers, so advertising time during the program is worth more.

Period. End of story.

If this means being horribly slanted (FOX, MSNBC, etc), they’ll do it. If it means twisting information to make a risk seem worse than it is, they’ll do it (Eating raw eggs may kill you!!). Sensationalism, bias, baiting… all just part of the territory.

Please, dont trust news programs.[/quote]

X2. Fox is better than the rest, but none of them are worth taking too seriously.[/quote]

Let me guess, Dabba, right leaning a bit? :P[/quote]

It doesn’t matter. Viewing all of them objectively, one can clearly see that the majority are left-wing biased. Fox is the only one that has a (pseudo) right-wing bias. In this sense, you have to appreciate that at least one of them is trying to break away from the mold.

[quote]Dabba wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Dabba wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Nope. A news organization is supposed to get viewers, so advertising time during the program is worth more.

Period. End of story.

If this means being horribly slanted (FOX, MSNBC, etc), they’ll do it. If it means twisting information to make a risk seem worse than it is, they’ll do it (Eating raw eggs may kill you!!). Sensationalism, bias, baiting… all just part of the territory.

Please, dont trust news programs.[/quote]

X2. Fox is better than the rest, but none of them are worth taking too seriously.[/quote]

Let me guess, Dabba, right leaning a bit? :P[/quote]

It doesn’t matter. Viewing all of them objectively, one can clearly see that the majority are left-wing biased. Fox is the only one that has a (pseudo) right-wing bias. In this sense, you have to appreciate that at least one of them is trying to break away from the mold.[/quote]

Meh. I call it cornering the market.

[quote]Dabba wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Dabba wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Nope. A news organization is supposed to get viewers, so advertising time during the program is worth more.

Period. End of story.

If this means being horribly slanted (FOX, MSNBC, etc), they’ll do it. If it means twisting information to make a risk seem worse than it is, they’ll do it (Eating raw eggs may kill you!!). Sensationalism, bias, baiting… all just part of the territory.

Please, dont trust news programs.[/quote]

X2. Fox is better than the rest, but none of them are worth taking too seriously.[/quote]

Let me guess, Dabba, right leaning a bit? :P[/quote]

It doesn’t matter. Viewing all of them objectively, one can clearly see that the majority are left-wing biased. Fox is the only one that has a (pseudo) right-wing bias. In this sense, you have to appreciate that at least one of them is trying to break away from the mold.[/quote]

If your spelling mistake was deliberate, that is pretty witty.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Dabba wrote:
It doesn’t matter. Viewing all of them objectively, one can clearly see that the majority are left-wing biased. Fox is the only one that has a (pseudo) right-wing bias. In this sense, you have to appreciate that at least one of them is trying to break away from the mold.[/quote]

If your spelling mistake was deliberate, that is pretty witty.[/quote]

What?