The Face of Poverty in America

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You are probably right to a degree that the people in that picture do lack motivation, they probably watch too much TV and eat too much of the wrong food. But they probably do not know better. What do you do in a town of 10,000 workers when there are 9,000 jobs we are not even talking about school kids working after school and week ends. Then the next town is just like that but worst and so on and on you go until you are out of the geographical location.
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The answer is quite simple: Stop breeding like bunnies!!!

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[quote]lixy wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
You are probably right to a degree that the people in that picture do lack motivation, they probably watch too much TV and eat too much of the wrong food. But they probably do not know better. What do you do in a town of 10,000 workers when there are 9,000 jobs we are not even talking about school kids working after school and week ends. Then the next town is just like that but worst and so on and on you go until you are out of the geographical location.

The answer is quite simple: Stop breeding like bunnies!!!

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Tell that to the palistinians.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
pat wrote:
There is plenty of opportunity in this country. While there are a few unlucky sods who just get dealt a shit hand, most people choose to be lazy and uneducated.

Those fat bitches in the picture aren’t fat because they can’t afford good food…They’re fat because they eat to damn much and sit on there lazy fucking asses waiting for the next hand out. From the looks of it they look like fence jumpers who are sponging off of a system that doesn’t even belong to them. They obviously jumped that fence a loooong time ago.

You want poverty, go to Darfur where there is no hope, the women get raped regularly. Where there is a wacky, psycho, islamofacist nut job president of Sudan competing with the militias on who gets to genocide those people. That is real poverty. Those fat ho’s can live off their stores for a while…No sympathy from me.

You are probably right to a degree that the people in that picture do lack motivation, they probably watch too much TV and eat too much of the wrong food. But they probably do not know better. What do you do in a town of 10,000 workers when there are 9,000 jobs we are not even talking about school kids working after school and week ends. Then the next town is just like that but worst and so on and on you go until you are out of the geographical location.
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If they have TV and too much food, they ain’t poor. Lazy as shit , but not poor. How can somebody not know that getting a job is more lucrative then sitting on your ass watching TV? I like TV, but I have a job, and if I lost this one, I wouldn’t sleep till I get the next one. And I consider myself a lazy person. So if I can do it, anybody can.

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[quote]lixy wrote:

The answer is quite simple: Stop breeding like bunnies!!![/quote]

This - stupidly - assumes a zero sum game of economics.

Maybe you should work on a third “master’s degree” in applied economics.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

More stupidity from the loudest anti American voice on this site.[/quote]

Lixy has stated that he plans to help mitigate the plague of “overpopulation” by not procreating.

I get the feeling he doesn’t have much of a choice in the matter.

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Poverty seems to come with cars, mobile phones, high speed internet access and cable TV.

Life is tough.

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[quote]bald eagle wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I grew up poor and I can tell from first-hand experience, that most people who are poor in America deserve it. They don’t bother to graduate from high school, get pregnant at 17 (or younger), or smoke dope…then bitch because life is so ‘unfair’. Is it? Is it really?

NE Ohio has a lot of people who’d rather sit and collect welfare than move to where jobs are. “I can’t relocate! I’d miss my mom!!” Okay, then be unemployed and quit complaining about it.

A lot of inner city kids here never graduate from high school. Cleveland has a rate of 33%. Some of the girls have 2 babies by the time they are 18. The boys hold a job for 2 weeks and then complain because they didn’t get promoted.

Life’s unfair? Yeah…

I would not totally agree with you on NE Ohio, Reagan F–ked all the unions in the 80�??s. Most of the steel mills went out of business because Reagan opened the door to steel imports. Other Countries were dumping steel on America�??s shore cheaper than we could make it.

But the whole steel valley never recovered, it reminds me of Eastern Europe. When I read the likes of Beowulf, I understand they have never been in an economy that is so depressed that there are no jobs.

All of the most employable workers are working at Wal-Mart and the likes. Before Reagan you had thousands of high paying jobs that supported everybody to the middle class life style.

All the high school kids had good paying jobs because there was no one other than high school kids to work retail, fast food and service jobs. Now all of the best workers are doing those menial jobs . And you have a whole generation growing up, not knowing how to work.

The unions have screwed themselves in this country.
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Correct. When they force companies to overpay for simple jobs one of two things happens:

The American consumer gets screwed if the industry is protected by the government.

or

The American consumer shops elsewhere putting companies out of business and people out of wrk.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

More stupidity from the loudest anti American voice on this site.

Lixy has stated that he plans to help mitigate the plague of “overpopulation” by not procreating.

I get the feeling he doesn’t have much of a choice in the matter.
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lol.

The idea that procreation causes poverty is idiotic.

My dad is one of eight kids. Except for the ones that took vows of poverty all are successful.

I am one of five kids, we were broke growing up, my dad didn’t make his fortune until after I graduated college. All of us kids are college graduates, gainfully employed and financially successful.

I have countless cousins. Most are successful, the ones that are not financially succesful are published authors, artists etc.

Idiots may breed idiots but that is another matter entirely.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I grew up poor and I can tell from first-hand experience, that most people who are poor in America deserve it. They don’t bother to graduate from high school, get pregnant at 17 (or younger), or smoke dope…then bitch because life is so ‘unfair’. Is it? Is it really?

NE Ohio has a lot of people who’d rather sit and collect welfare than move to where jobs are. “I can’t relocate! I’d miss my mom!!” Okay, then be unemployed and quit complaining about it.

A lot of inner city kids here never graduate from high school. Cleveland has a rate of 33%. Some of the girls have 2 babies by the time they are 18. The boys hold a job for 2 weeks and then complain because they didn’t get promoted.

Life’s unfair? Yeah…

I would not totally agree with you on NE Ohio, Reagan F–ked all the unions in the 80�??s. Most of the steel mills went out of business because Reagan opened the door to steel imports. Other Countries were dumping steel on America�??s shore cheaper than we could make it.

But the whole steel valley never recovered, it reminds me of Eastern Europe. When I read the likes of Beowulf, I understand they have never been in an economy that is so depressed that there are no jobs.

All of the most employable workers are working at Wal-Mart and the likes. Before Reagan you had thousands of high paying jobs that supported everybody to the middle class life style.

All the high school kids had good paying jobs because there was no one other than high school kids to work retail, fast food and service jobs. Now all of the best workers are doing those menial jobs . And you have a whole generation growing up, not knowing how to work.

The unions have screwed themselves in this country.

Correct. When they force companies to overpay for simple jobs one of two things happens:

The American consumer gets screwed if the industry is protected by the government.

or

The American consumer shops elsewhere putting companies out of business and people out of wrk.[/quote]

Zap,

These guys have not figured out that 2000 hrs/year times 20/hr or so is more than 1000 hrs times 30/hr. It is the old "I’m not working for less than such and such per hour? Fine - then sit at home and stop complaining about no work.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

More stupidity from the loudest anti American voice on this site.

Lixy has stated that he plans to help mitigate the plague of “overpopulation” by not procreating.

I get the feeling he doesn’t have much of a choice in the matter.

lol.

The idea that procreation causes poverty is idiotic.

My dad is one of eight kids. Except for the ones that took vows of poverty all are successful.

I am one of five kids, we were broke growing up, my dad didn’t make his fortune until after I graduated college. All of us kids are college graduates, gainfully employed and financially successful.

I have countless cousins. Most are successful, the ones that are not financially succesful are published authors, artists etc.

Idiots may breed idiots but that is another matter entirely.

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You bring up a good point. Perhaps only certain people ought not breed: Muslims, those on welfare, thieves, murderers… In general, those who make a living stealing from other people, like “Palestinians” (read: ARabs) who live off the dole from generous Western countries yet procreate like bunnies.

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[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
Poverty seems to come with cars, mobile phones, high speed internet access and cable TV.

Life is tough. [/quote]

It’s funny you mentioned that. Whenever I drive by public housing, I notice tons of satellite dishes on the rooves. That poverty didn’t keep them from spending the $50 a month.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I grew up poor and I can tell from first-hand experience, that most people who are poor in America deserve it. They don’t bother to graduate from high school, get pregnant at 17 (or younger), or smoke dope…then bitch because life is so ‘unfair’. Is it? Is it really?

NE Ohio has a lot of people who’d rather sit and collect welfare than move to where jobs are. “I can’t relocate! I’d miss my mom!!” Okay, then be unemployed and quit complaining about it.

A lot of inner city kids here never graduate from high school. Cleveland has a rate of 33%. Some of the girls have 2 babies by the time they are 18. The boys hold a job for 2 weeks and then complain because they didn’t get promoted.

Life’s unfair? Yeah…

I would not totally agree with you on NE Ohio, Reagan F–ked all the unions in the 80�??s. Most of the steel mills went out of business because Reagan opened the door to steel imports. Other Countries were dumping steel on America�??s shore cheaper than we could make it.

But the whole steel valley never recovered, it reminds me of Eastern Europe. When I read the likes of Beowulf, I understand they have never been in an economy that is so depressed that there are no jobs.

All of the most employable workers are working at Wal-Mart and the likes. Before Reagan you had thousands of high paying jobs that supported everybody to the middle class life style.

All the high school kids had good paying jobs because there was no one other than high school kids to work retail, fast food and service jobs. Now all of the best workers are doing those menial jobs . And you have a whole generation growing up, not knowing how to work.

The unions have screwed themselves in this country.

Correct. When they force companies to overpay for simple jobs one of two things happens:

The American consumer gets screwed if the industry is protected by the government.

or

The American consumer shops elsewhere putting companies out of business and people out of wrk.[/quote]

I agree Unions need to refine their influence; there is a need when you are dealing with the working poor. You wonder why some one would be on the welfare role, one reason would be that employers do not feel the need to pay a livable wage, and our government thinks a minimum wage that is about 30 percent of a livable wage is fine. If you are a welfare recipient you are guaranteed a livable wage.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I grew up poor and I can tell from first-hand experience, that most people who are poor in America deserve it. They don’t bother to graduate from high school, get pregnant at 17 (or younger), or smoke dope…then bitch because life is so ‘unfair’. Is it? Is it really?

NE Ohio has a lot of people who’d rather sit and collect welfare than move to where jobs are. “I can’t relocate! I’d miss my mom!!” Okay, then be unemployed and quit complaining about it.

A lot of inner city kids here never graduate from high school. Cleveland has a rate of 33%. Some of the girls have 2 babies by the time they are 18. The boys hold a job for 2 weeks and then complain because they didn’t get promoted.

Life’s unfair? Yeah…

I would not totally agree with you on NE Ohio, Reagan F–ked all the unions in the 80�??s. Most of the steel mills went out of business because Reagan opened the door to steel imports. Other Countries were dumping steel on America�??s shore cheaper than we could make it.

But the whole steel valley never recovered, it reminds me of Eastern Europe. When I read the likes of Beowulf, I understand they have never been in an economy that is so depressed that there are no jobs.

All of the most employable workers are working at Wal-Mart and the likes. Before Reagan you had thousands of high paying jobs that supported everybody to the middle class life style.

All the high school kids had good paying jobs because there was no one other than high school kids to work retail, fast food and service jobs. Now all of the best workers are doing those menial jobs . And you have a whole generation growing up, not knowing how to work.

The unions have screwed themselves in this country.

Correct. When they force companies to overpay for simple jobs one of two things happens:

The American consumer gets screwed if the industry is protected by the government.

or

The American consumer shops elsewhere putting companies out of business and people out of wrk.

I agree Unions need to refine their influence; there is a need when you are dealing with the working poor. You wonder why some one would be on the welfare role, one reason would be that employers do not feel the need to pay a livable wage, and our government thinks a minimum wage that is about 30 percent of a livable wage is fine. If you are a welfare recipient you are guaranteed a livable wage.
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Why would you want a minimum wage to be a working wage? A minimum wage is for 16 year olds and part time college kids. People should not try to make a living on this type of work.

Requiring an employer to pay a minimum wage to some kid cutting lawns makes it hard for the average guy to start a landscaping business. (So they turn to illegals in many part sof the country).

If you are trying to feed a family and your skill is cutting grass you should start a business cutting grass, not expect th egovernment to force someone to pay you a living wage for an position that takes no skill.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I grew up poor and I can tell from first-hand experience, that most people who are poor in America deserve it. They don’t bother to graduate from high school, get pregnant at 17 (or younger), or smoke dope…then bitch because life is so ‘unfair’. Is it? Is it really?

NE Ohio has a lot of people who’d rather sit and collect welfare than move to where jobs are. “I can’t relocate! I’d miss my mom!!” Okay, then be unemployed and quit complaining about it.

A lot of inner city kids here never graduate from high school. Cleveland has a rate of 33%. Some of the girls have 2 babies by the time they are 18. The boys hold a job for 2 weeks and then complain because they didn’t get promoted.

Life’s unfair? Yeah…

I would not totally agree with you on NE Ohio, Reagan F–ked all the unions in the 80�??s. Most of the steel mills went out of business because Reagan opened the door to steel imports. Other Countries were dumping steel on America�??s shore cheaper than we could make it.

But the whole steel valley never recovered, it reminds me of Eastern Europe. When I read the likes of Beowulf, I understand they have never been in an economy that is so depressed that there are no jobs.

All of the most employable workers are working at Wal-Mart and the likes. Before Reagan you had thousands of high paying jobs that supported everybody to the middle class life style.

All the high school kids had good paying jobs because there was no one other than high school kids to work retail, fast food and service jobs. Now all of the best workers are doing those menial jobs . And you have a whole generation growing up, not knowing how to work.

The unions have screwed themselves in this country.

Correct. When they force companies to overpay for simple jobs one of two things happens:

The American consumer gets screwed if the industry is protected by the government.

or

The American consumer shops elsewhere putting companies out of business and people out of wrk.

I agree Unions need to refine their influence; there is a need when you are dealing with the working poor. You wonder why some one would be on the welfare role, one reason would be that employers do not feel the need to pay a livable wage, and our government thinks a minimum wage that is about 30 percent of a livable wage is fine. If you are a welfare recipient you are guaranteed a livable wage.

Why would you want a minimum wage to be a working wage? A minimum wage is for 16 year olds and part time college kids. People should not try to make a living on this type of work.

Requiring an employer to pay a minimum wage to some kid cutting lawns makes it hard for the average guy to start a landscaping business. (So they turn to illegals in many part sof the country).

If you are trying to feed a family and your skill is cutting grass you should start a business cutting grass, not expect th egovernment to force someone to pay you a living wage for an position that takes no skill. [/quote]

Going back to the beginning of this thread, it is about NE Ohio, Michigan parts of Illinois and Indiana. These are places where the only jobs available to blue collar employees are minimum wage jobs, and there is so much completion for these minimum wage jobs that the employers are flat out exploiting the workers

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
pat wrote:
There is plenty of opportunity in this country. While there are a few unlucky sods who just get dealt a shit hand, most people choose to be lazy and uneducated.

Those fat bitches in the picture aren’t fat because they can’t afford good food…They’re fat because they eat to damn much and sit on there lazy fucking asses waiting for the next hand out. From the looks of it they look like fence jumpers who are sponging off of a system that doesn’t even belong to them. They obviously jumped that fence a loooong time ago.

You want poverty, go to Darfur where there is no hope, the women get raped regularly. Where there is a wacky, psycho, islamofacist nut job president of Sudan competing with the militias on who gets to genocide those people. That is real poverty. Those fat ho’s can live off their stores for a while…No sympathy from me.

You are probably right to a degree that the people in that picture do lack motivation, they probably watch too much TV and eat too much of the wrong food. But they probably do not know better. [/quote]

“They probably do not know better”? Are we talking about HUMAN BEINGS or dogs?

You honestly think these people are not capable of muting their cable TV for a moment, putting down the sigs and booze…and thinking to themselves, “Hey I wonder if I can improve my life…and I wonder what steps I would have to take to improve my life?”

Perhaps some do think this and then realize, “Oh wait it would mean leaving my geographical area NEVERMIND!!!”

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
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Going back to the beginning of this thread, it is about NE Ohio, Michigan parts of Illinois and Indiana. These are places where the only jobs available to blue collar employees are minimum wage jobs, and there is so much completion for these minimum wage jobs that the employers are flat out exploiting the workers
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That is not true. There are plenty of opportunities available for those that are willing to be retrained, relocated or show some ambition and start their own business. It is only people that are unwilling or unable to try anything that are stuck in minimum wage jobs.

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(this rant is NOT directed at you pittbulll)

What the hell is the deal with liberals speaking about “the poor” as if they are this collective non-sentient subhuman glop that is incapable of doing things of their own volition?

And I’m restricting this to the US. In other parts of the world, there are definite roadblocks to success and that truly sucks. But here in the US - yeah give me a break.